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Suicide is a sin that cannot be forgiven?

Natsumi Lam

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Yes, and it is not true. The notion that suicide is unpardonable is because it is considered murder of self and you cannot ask forgiveness for self murder - and since you can't ask a priest for forgiveness you can't be forgiven and enter heaven. So says a lot of Catholics I know.

Those who carry out suicide are locked into a living hell you can never understand if you haven't been there yourself, and if you are alive you were never there. You might have been close, but you survived because you were not quite desperate enough, or there were other circumstances where God sent you help. Well, I also ask what about the soldiers who had seen so many horrors during war that they took their own lives rather than be placed into a position to kill another human? Were not those people hero's and martyrs in God's eyes. Where do you draw the line and who has permission from God to draw that line? What about the apostles? They knew that they would be killed if they didn't renounce this new religion so isn't that a sort of suicide? If you KNOW you are going to be killed but you stand by Jesus anyway? What about all of those who go to dig their own grave knowing that they are about to be shot? Aren't they guilty of committing a form of suicide if they don't fight back? When does it count and when does it not count? Who draws the line as to what is suicide and what is not. The mother who shoves her baby out of the path of a speeding car when she could have jumped and made it if only she had not saved the baby. The father who dove into a frozen lake to save his son from drowning only to drown himself and he knew it was probable that he would, but he had to try anyway. That was surely suicide. Well, I don't follow tradition of the RCC and my scripture says that the ONLY unpardonable sin is blaspheme of the Holy Spirit. All other sins were covered by the pure and blessed blood of Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God. That is my rock.

But I am not condoning suicide just because your mind is ill and hurting. There are many other ways to work yourself out of this hell and that is to first, trust in Jesus Christ with all of your mind and soul. Second is to get up, get out, and help someone. Just one person. Just one small deed. One helping hand, no matter how small. With that you will know what to do from then on and it is not removing yourself from God and Life, but moving yourself toward God and Life. Bless someone by your presence and your doing good against evil, and let them bless someone else. Keep moving and keep blessing. Never stop. Never give up or give in. There is no where that despair can take you where the Love of Jesus Christ cannot take you away from. Give your life to him if you think you are done with it.

I also think those who have the mindset of suicide as unpardonable and unforgivable... are just being lead by fear and unnecessary guilt. I dont condone suicide but the God I know does not want us to be lead by fear.
 
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Romans 10:5-13 says the righteous do not say who will go to heaven and who will go to hell because doing so either pulls Christ down or up from the dead. None of us are God. Only God knows for certain who goes where after Judgment Day.


I think my favorite part of the verses is

10:9 [ Greek Font Size: BYZ / TR | That if thou shalt confess (5661) with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe(5661) in thine heart that God hath raised (5656) him from the dead, thou shalt be saved (5701) .
 
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I can see we are on a very touchy subject, where opinions are all over the place. I have a somewhat neutral take on it, which I am going to try to present the best way I know how, and hope people can understand what I'm am trying to get across. The thing with suicide is that it stems from depression and other mental illnesses. Many people fail to understand these issues, Christian or not. I understand some about depression and anxiety because it is real in my family. However, I don't understand a lot about suicide, even though it is heavily linked with mental illnesses, the reason being that I am not a professional on these matters and my slim knowledge is based soley on my personal experiences. One thing I know is suicide is not a casual thing we can just brush off. It is not performed under normal circumstances. My guess is that it stems from some sort of imbalance and people with mental illnesses do things beyond their control. This makes sense to me in the same way an epileptic can't control his/her seizures. It is something that needs attention, for sure. Now don't get me wrong, I believe the act of willful murder is a sin. Life is precious and a gift from God to cherish and take care of the best we can. But I also struggle with the issue as to whether or not suicide could be considered willful in many cases, seeing that mentally ill people are not in the right frame of mind when they do it. So as much as I don't really understand suicide, I still hurt for those who are contemplating it.

Another thing I observe is that depression and mental/emotional disorders in general tend to be overlooked by the church, and if not overlooked, they have erroneous thoughts regarding this very issue. Some also assume that true Christians can't have depression, and this is a misguided belief at best and downright judgmental at worst. Depression is not a sin, it's a sickness, and to say Christians can't suffer from depression is like saying Christians can't have diabetes, epilepsy, cancer, lupus, and other illnesses, and we also need to realize that none of us will be completely well until we get to Heaven and have our glorified bodies. In the meantime, the church in general should be ready and willing to come together to help the suffering, within the congregation as well as out. If church leaders and we as the body were more attentive in addressing these issues, there could be a real difference made. Granted, this is not going to eliminate it completely (after all, the church is made up of imperfect, struggling people). But I have heard stories of those who contemplated suicide, and are living testimonies to this day because somebody cared enough to reach out to them.

Anyway, that's my two cents, which I did my best to explain. I also understand that some here will disagree and/or fail to fully understand what I am trying to get at, in part or in full. If such is the case, please do so respectfully. I do not wish to debate as this is a confusing enough issue as it is. I only desire to present a fairly balanced view with some food for thought to ponder on, based on what I have come to know and experience.

Here are some links I hope are helpful. They seem to be fairly balanced and explain things much better than I can. I may look for more later.

5 Things Christians Should Know About Depression and Anxiety


God bless.
 
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