Suicide is a sin that cannot be forgiven?

buzuxi02 · Oct 23, 2018

If you commit suicide and it's not for clinical reasons (depression, psycological, etc) it's difficult to be saved. This is because you cannot repent in this life for such an egregious error. I'm not saying it's impossible but you dont want it to be your final act.

Oldmantook · Oct 23, 2018

Jason0047 said:
In fact, a belief in OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved) will lead a person to more likely commit suicide because there would be no incentive or reason to live here in this life.

Suicide & OSAS:
A tragic story of an OSAS believer.

Suicide, Mass Murder, and OSAS:
George Sodini.

You can find more testimonies involving suicide and OSAS here:
Death of Kenneth Nally, a Woman Calling in on the Radio (Desiring to Commit Suicide and would do it if OSAS was true), etc. (Warning: Graphic image of a person's wrist cut in this article) (Note: The death of Kenneth Nally was a part of a lawsuit against Grace Community Church, i.e. John MacArthur's church).

Agree; the prevalence of the false teaching of eternal security has an influence on the Christian's decision to take one's own life.

Mountainmanbob · Oct 23, 2018

Neostarwcc said:
So why is suicide an unforgivable sin?

A big problem is that suicide does not give one a chance to repent that is a big deal. The person is setting out to break one of the Ten Commandments and commit murder. It's never good to go ahead and sin on purpose thinking that for some reason we will be forgiven.

Judas killed himself and the Bible says that it would have been better if he would have never been born.

M-Bob

Strong in Him · Oct 23, 2018

Neostarwcc said:
Has anyone ever heard that suicide is a sin that cannot be forgiven? Where did this teaching come from? Why can't it be forgiven? Didn't Jesus die for all of our sins past, present, and future? So why is suicide an unforgivable sin?

No, suicide is not a sin.
People usually contemplate suicide because they are severely depressed and/or their life is hell. It may be due to debt, unemployment, terminal illness, death of a partner or children or anything else. It may also be due to mental illness - hearing voices which tell them to kill themselves.

Jesus said that the only unforgiveable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
I believe that God knows the mind, heart and motives of a depressed and suicidal person and has compassion.

Strong in Him · Oct 23, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
You can choose to believe God's WORD or not. I was only sharing the scriptures with you. What you're suggesting is not biblical.

With respect, neither is what you are suggesting.
Jesus said that the ONLY unforgiveable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. He said that because people were saying that he performed miracles by the power of Satan - in other words, they saw something miraculous, and instead of giving praise and glory to God, they suggested that Satan was responsible for the miracle.

Suffering depression, being in complete despair and without hope and suffering such a hellish life of debt, abuse, illness or anything else that the only way out you can see is to end your own life, is not in the same category as this.

LoveGodsWord · Oct 23, 2018

Strong in Him said:
With respect, neither is what you are suggesting.
Jesus said that the ONLY unforgiveable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. He said that because people were saying that he performed miracles by the power of Satan - in other words, they saw something miraculous, and instead of giving praise and glory to God, they suggested that Satan was responsible for the miracle.

Suffering depression, being in complete despair and without hope and suffering such a hellish life of debt, abuse, illness or anything else that the only way out you can see is to end your own life, is not in the same category as this.

Sorry SIH,

Committing suicide is an unpardonable sin because you have no way of seeking God's forgiveness once you have sinned and died.

JAMES 4:17 [17], Therefore to him that knows to do good, and does it not, to him it is sin.

GOD'S 6TH COMMANDMENT

EXODUS 20:13. Thou shalt not kill.

Breaking any of God's commandments is sin *JAMES 2:10-11. The wages of sin is death ROMANS 6:23. How are you going to seek God's forgiveness for the sin of killing yourself once you have died?

We are not our own we are brought with a price.

1 CORINTHIANS 3:16-17
[16], Know you not that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? [17], If any man defiles the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.

1 JOHN 3:15 [15], Whoever hates his brother is a murderer: and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

REVELATION 21:8 [8], But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

REVELATION 22:14-15 [14], Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. [15], For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and fornicators, and murderers, and idolaters, and whoever loves and makes a lie.

I would suggest the scriptures posted are biblical wouldn't you?

Now can you post a single scripture to show that committing suicide is not sin and can be forgiven?

Suicide is an unpardonable sin because you are not able to seek God's forgiveness once you die. There is no free passes for sin.

Hope this helps.

Strong in Him · Oct 23, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Sorry SIH,

Committing suicide is an unpardonable sin because you have no way of seeking God's forgiveness once you have sinned and died.

I realise that the person has no way of seeking forgiveness after they have died - but Jesus does not say that this is what the unpardonable sin is.
He said that all kinds of sins and blasphemies against the Son of Man can be forgiven, but not blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

Suicide mostly happens out of complete despair. If the person wasn't so depressed, if they were able to think clearly, if they could find some way out of their hellish life of abuse/alcoholism/debt/crushing bereavement or whatever - I'm sure they wouldn't consider it.
I think f you told such a person that suicide was a sin and that God would punish them, they a) wouldn't care as they were in hell already and b) may well see that as proof that God was heartless, uncaring and would kick them when they were down.
I don't believe God is that cruel - Scripture says that he is a God of compassion and love and will not break a bruised reed nor snuff out a smouldering wick.

I don't think any of us have the right to identify a sin as being unpardonable, when Jesus himself does not say that it is. He was, and is, God; he knows whether something is unpardonable or not.

LoveGodsWord · Oct 23, 2018

Strong in Him said:
I realise that the person has no way of seeking forgiveness after they have died - but Jesus does not say that this is what the unpardonable sin is.
He said that all kinds of sins and blasphemies against the Son of Man can be forgiven, but not blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

Suicide mostly happens out of complete despair. If the person wasn't so depressed, if they were able to think clearly, if they could find some way out of their hellish life of abuse/alcoholism/debt/crushing bereavement or whatever - I'm sure they wouldn't consider it.
I think f you told such a person that suicide was a sin and that God would punish them, they a) wouldn't care as they were in hell already and b) may well see that as proof that God was heartless, uncaring and would kick them when they were down.
I don't believe God is that cruel - Scripture says that he is a God of compassion and love and will not break a bruised reed nor snuff out a smouldering wick.

I don't think any of us have the right to identify a sin as being unpardonable, when Jesus himself does not say that it is. He was, and is, God; he knows whether something is unpardonable or not.

Sorry brother in all due respect there is no scripture to support anything that you have posted above to say that suicide is not sin and can be forgiven. It is simply not biblical. Who should we believe, your words or God's Word? What I can't work out is why anyone would think suicide is not a sin and would be forgiven when the bible says it is sin that cannot be forgiven.

JimBeta · Oct 23, 2018

There is only one sin that can not be forgiven and it has to do with the Holy Spirit. Mark 3
28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
30Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

All sins can be forgiven but there is only one deadly sin that does not bring forgiveniss and it is blaspheme against the Holy Spirit. But those that do have the Holy Spirit can not do that sin because the Holy Spirit will not blaspheme itself. So no, for christians there is no deadly sin in my opinion.

A_Thinker · Oct 23, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
My friend, you really do not know?

1 JOHN 1:9 [9], If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

PROVERBS 28:13 [13], He that covers his sins shall not prosper: but whosoever confesses and forsakes them shall have mercy.

I suggest you read your bible. How are you going to seek God's forgiveness for killing yourself when your dead?

Just going with your understanding ... are you sure that those that commit suicide have NO OPPORTUNITY to confess their sin and ask for forgiveness ?

Many suicides leave letters expressing their remorse ... and asking their family for forgiveness before they pass on. Do you think that these same individuals couldn't have similarly asked God for His forgiveness ?

In fact, it seems likely that a christian would do so ...

Dave L · Oct 23, 2018

Is it suicide to walk into a death trap for the sake of others? Jesus did this....

Bible Highlighter · Oct 23, 2018

Dave L said:
Is it suicide to walk into a death trap for the sake of others? Jesus did this....

To lay down your life to save another is not suicide it is one of the greatest loves that you can show for another. Suicide is done with a selfish motive of wanting to take your life because you are sad, or depressed and you desire to not live this life anymore. It is selfish and sinful. It is a grievous sin. A person who lays down their life to save another is not doing so because they hate their life and they want to die. They are doing it so as to save another or others. They are doing it out of love for others. Their life will be alive because you are giving your life in exchange to save their life. Suicide is just about taking your own life with nobody else being saved. Do you honestly think GOD would approve of a person justifying sin? Think again. GOD is good. GOD is just. GOD is holy.

Dave L · Oct 23, 2018

Jason0047 said:
To lay down your life to save another is not suicide it is one of the greatest loves that you can show for another. Suicide is done with a selfish motive of wanting to take your life because you are sad, or depressed and you desire to not live this life anymore. It is selfish and sinful. It is a grievous sin. A person who lays down their life to save another is not doing so because they hate their life and they want to die. They are doing it so as to save another or others. They are doing it out of love for others. Their life will be alive because you are giving your life in exchange to save their life. Suicide is just about taking your own life with nobody else being saved. Do you honestly think GOD would approve of a person justifying sin? Think again. GOD is good. GOD is just. GOD is holy.

Technically, suicide is causing one's own death.

Bible Highlighter · Oct 23, 2018

Strong in Him said:
I realise that the person has no way of seeking forgiveness after they have died - but Jesus does not say that this is what the unpardonable sin is.
He said that all kinds of sins and blasphemies against the Son of Man can be forgiven, but not blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

Suicide mostly happens out of complete despair. If the person wasn't so depressed, if they were able to think clearly, if they could find some way out of their hellish life of abuse/alcoholism/debt/crushing bereavement or whatever - I'm sure they wouldn't consider it.
I think f you told such a person that suicide was a sin and that God would punish them, they a) wouldn't care as they were in hell already and b) may well see that as proof that God was heartless, uncaring and would kick them when they were down.
I don't believe God is that cruel - Scripture says that he is a God of compassion and love and will not break a bruised reed nor snuff out a smouldering wick.

I don't think any of us have the right to identify a sin as being unpardonable, when Jesus himself does not say that it is. He was, and is, God; he knows whether something is unpardonable or not.

Matthew 12:31 says, "Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men."

But what is the means of being forgiven again for a believer?

"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." (1 John 1:9).

How can you confess of your sins to GOD and be forgiven when you are dead? Your faith is over.

That is the problem with isolating verses in the Bible. You can make the Bible say whatever you want it to say if you ignore the rest of Scripture. Some folks say you cannot judge. But if they were to read the context or read other parts of the Bible, it says that we can judge. This is what you have done with Matthew 13:31.

1 John 3:15 says no murderer has eternal life abiding in them.

Murderers will have their part in the Lake of Fire (Revelation 21:8).

BTW ~ ALL liars will have their part in the Lake of Fire. If the sin of lying is so bad whereby ALL liars will have their part in the Lake of Fire, then logic dictates that all murderers will have their part in the Lake of Fire, too. For murder is exceptionally even more evil of a sin.

Bible Highlighter · Oct 23, 2018

Dave L said:
Technically, suicide is causing one's own death.

But it is the motive. Suicide is not done to save another life. Therein lies the difference. Suicide is selfish. Sacrifice to save another life is love for the other. That is what you are not getting.

Dave L · Oct 23, 2018

Jason0047 said:
But it is the motive. Suicide is not done to save another life. Therein lies the difference. Suicide is selfish. Sacrifice to save another life is love for the other. That is what you are not getting.

What if the person is mentally ill?

Bible Highlighter · Oct 23, 2018

JimBeta said:
There is only one sin that can not be forgiven and it has to do with the Holy Spirit. Mark 3
28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
30Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

All sins can be forgiven but there is only one deadly sin that does not bring forgiveniss and it is blaspheme against the Holy Spirit. But those that do have the Holy Spirit can not do that sin because the Holy Spirit will not blaspheme itself. So no, for christians there is no deadly sin in my opinion.

Well, if this was the only passage in the Bible, you would be right, but unfortunately for you, there are other verses that contradict your wrong belief that encourages people to commit suicide. 1 John 1:9 says if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins. You cannot confess sin while your dead. Remember Lazarus and the Rich man story? It was too late for him. He was being tormented because he lived a selfish life.

Who was Jesus talking to in Matthew 5:28-30, and Matthew 6:15? Was he talking to believers or unbelievers?

He was talking to believers because unbelievers need to first accept Jesus to be saved. Telling unbelievers about their sin is going to do them no good. They are already condemned by not having a belief on Jesus. So if a person lusts after a woman, they are in danger of their whole body being cast into hell fire (See Matthew 5:28-30). If a person does not forgive, they will not be forgiven (Matthew 6:15). Jesus is not going to teach one thing just so that His followers can change it later. Nor was Jesus making a point about how nobody can keep God's laws. No verse actually say this on the Sermon on the Mount. The Bible talks plenty about how you can walk uprightly (See Galatians 5:24, Romans 13:14, 1 Peter 4:1-2, 2 Corinthians 7:1, James 4:7, 1 Corinthians 10:13).

Do not be deceived, he that does righteousness is righteous (1 John 3:7).

He that commits sin is of the devil (1 John 3:8).

All who do evil hate the light (John 3:20).

The light is Jesus Christ.

For Jesus says if you love me, keep my commandments (John 14:15).

Do you love Jesus?

If so, then have to keep His commandments.

Loving Jesus (GOD) and loving your neighbor is a part of eternal life.

In reference to the two greatest commandments in Luke 10:28, Jesus says, “...this do, and you shall live."

1 John 3:15 says NO MURDERER has eternal life abiding in them.

Yet, you want me to believe a self murderer has eternal life abiding in them.

Bible Highlighter · Oct 23, 2018

Dave L said:
What if the person is mentally ill?

Does God's Word give excuses for a person to sin if they are mentally ill?

Chapter and verse.

I see the excuse as a person being mentally ill is that they were given a chance to repent while they were mentally fit and they refused to do so, and so they then were judged to be the walking dead, unless they are cured by GOD in this life to have a chance to repent again. Sometimes drugs can help a person to be more mentally fit. If they are mentally ill and there is no cure and they die that way, it is because they have already been judged. If they were born with a mental problem, then that is a different story. They had no choice (ever) to know the good from the bad.

HTacianas · Oct 23, 2018

Neostarwcc said:
Has anyone ever heard that suicide is a sin that cannot be forgiven? Where did this teaching come from? Why can't it be forgiven? Didn't Jesus die for all of our sins past, present, and future? So why is suicide an unforgivable sin?

The idea that Jesus died for "all of our sins past, present, and future" is found nowhere in scripture.

steve78 · Oct 23, 2018

Neostarwcc said:
Has anyone ever heard that suicide is a sin that cannot be forgiven? Where did this teaching come from? Why can't it be forgiven? Didn't Jesus die for all of our sins past, present, and future? So why is suicide an unforgivable sin?

I have never heard this before.

Suicide is a sin that cannot be forgiven?

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