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Successful cloning of rhesus macaque

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Prove it to me and we won't have to worry about that. Once proven, I'll understand, problem solved.

Proof, it's just not that complicated a concept

Proof of evolution is not the issue here. It's way off topic, and has been discussed extensively in the C & E forum. What I'm addressing is your earlier post:

Why bother, watch the monkey long enough and it will turn into a human on it's own. :) Or so they say.

A bit time consuming but much easier by far..

Here's my question: Do you really think evolutionary theory states that monkeys--such as long tailed macaques--will eventually turn into human beings? Or are you just being jocular? Which is no problem at all. A little waggish humor is good. I'm just curious about your knowledge of evolution.
 
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"In a world first, Chinese researchers have successfully cloned macaques using the same technique that yielded the famous clone Dolly the sheep. The milestone, published in Cell on Wednesday, marks the first time that primates have ever been cloned in such a manner.

The years-long effort, led by Chinese Academy of Sciences postdoctoral fellow Zhen Liu, culminated in the recent birth of two female macaques, Zhong Zhong and Hua Hua. The macaques’ names are drawn from the word zhonghua, an adjective for the Chinese people..."


A rhesus "clone" was born in the late 90s. But it was produced by utilizing cells from a rhesus embryo at the 4 cell stage. The Chinese actually created a zygote by tranferring a nucleus from a long-tailed macaque into an enucleated egg cell, and stimulating the zygote to begin developing. The nucleus came from from macaque embryo. Which would be expected to have some pluripotency, rather like a stem cell. But still, this is a real clone, starting with an unfertilized ovum, and a somatic cell. Assuming this isn't fake news, it's quite an achievement to do it successfully in a primate.

So can a human clone be far behind?

Monkey Clones Created in the Lab. Now What?

Title correction: The newly cloned monkeys were long-tailed macaques, not rhesus.

How many of us have gone there to PERSONALLY VERIFY this experiment? Either wise, all of you are reading tabloid magazine articles and believing them by faith.

Today, the peer review process is a bunch of $cienctists friends agreeing with each other. The peer review process is fancy name for "mob rule" (2 wolves and 1 sheep deciding what to eat for dinner). Unless the reader VERIFIES the experiment, it should be considered garbage by the reader.
 
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Unless the reader VERIFIES the experiment, it should be considered garbage by the reader.

That’s like saying we shouldn’t won’t believe Albania exists if we haven’t been there.

If the news is reasonable and from reasonable sources there is no inherent reason not to believe it.

It is really not possible to verify everything by yourself.
Also how would you verify you are not living in a simulation even if you were conducting your own experiences on everything that you encounter.
 
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Lol, the direct quote is right there in the post you answered.

I appreciate that you are just playing childish games to try and rile people up though.

I suggest taking a moment to consider your behaviour, it’s not particularly becoming.

Then you aren't going to quote it, as I asked? The very simple thing to do in order to rectify the situation....yet. And I am being childish?

I see.
 
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A single called organism know as LUCA (a ring-shaped coil of DNA within the cell membrane).

Thing is, there are still those of us who require proof, something that the discussion of this subject falls grossly short of, but here is your chance.
 
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Thing is, there are still those of us who require proof, something that the discussion of this subject falls grossly short of, but here is your chance.
What kind of proof would be acceptable?
 
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What kind of proof would be acceptable?

Proof that would convince the average individual, or at least we can start there.

Like I keep mentioning, If I put my hand into a fire, I will end up with proof that a fire will burn my hand. Simple proof not derived from assumption, but proven with such experimentation as that. Something that doesn't leave us having to assume the so-called proof means this that or the other, but proves it.

Proof positive.
 
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Proof that would convince the average individual, or at least we can start there.

Like I keep mentioning, If I put my hand into a fire, I will end up with proof that a fire will burn my hand. Simple proof not derived from assumption, but proven with such experimentation as that. Something that doesn't leave us having to assume the so-called proof means this that or the other, but proves it.

Proof positive.
I don’t want to waste your time trotting out various different potential proofs only for you to say ‘not that’ if you don’t think it is valid.

What would convince you, specifically?
 
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Then you aren't going to quote it, as I asked? The very simple thing to do in order to rectify the situation....yet. And I am being childish?

I see.

What part of

“It’s right there in the post you answered”

Do you not understand?

Post 48.

A direct quote of you saying what I claimed you said.

Bizarre behaviour. :scratch:
 
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Bizarre behaviour. :scratch:

Very.

Why is just posting it so hard to do, that way there is no confusion, or do you think building confusion will help hide the fact you are wrong?

You had your chance, be contrary if it works for you.
 
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I don’t want to waste your time trotting out various different potential proofs only for you to say ‘not that’ if you don’t think it is valid.

What would convince you, specifically?

You asked, I told you, and I don't think mine is an unreasonable expectation. what were you expecting?

Prove it with proof?
 
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Very.

Why is just posting it so hard to do, that way there is no confusion, or do you think building confusion will help hide the fact you are wrong?

You had your chance, be contrary if it works for you.
There is a link to the post you just replied to.

It is exactly what you requested.
 
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You asked, I told you, and I don't think mine is an unreasonable expectation. what were you expecting?

Prove it with proof?
What specific phenomenon would you accept as proof?

Let’s cut to the chase: you won’t answer with a specific example of what would convince you because there is nothing that will change your mind.

I know it, you know it, all the ladies and gentleman, boys and girls on this site know it.

You’re disingenuousness is astounding.

Good day.
 
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What specific phenomenon would you accept as proof?

Let’s cut to the chase: you won’t answer with a specific example of what would convince you because there is nothing that will change your mind.

I know it, you know it, all the ladies and gentleman, boys and girls on this site know it.

You’re disingenuousness is astounding.

Good day.

Nothing has changed my mind thus far, but still I give benefit of the doubt. I don't have a specific answer to what it would take for me to believe Micky Mouse is the creator of the universe either, because I think it's preposterous....so? If I asked you to show it to me in action, you would tell me you cannot, because of the convenient, unseen "it happened over so much time" parts that you just skip past with your system of being convinced, but I do not. You assume what happened in that lost time, I do not.

With people for instance, they grow into adults "over time" I can't see exactly what takes place for that to happen, however I have seen it happen so may times, I know exactly were adults come from, or it's plenty for me to go, on as proof. You have seen nothing in that regard, and can only theorize and then eventually pretend the theory is fact and only because you now have a lot of theorizing or in fact, no proof, just a lot of theory that can trick the mind into believing it must be proof because there is a lot of it.....no other reason.

I understand it is frustrating when you cannot simply prove something that you somehow managed to believe as absolute truth. That not only causes doubt when it comes to actual origin, but it creates a conundrum that brings up other touchy questions you have to live/deal with personally. Things some would rather not deal with, the very reason they strive to label them as "solved" the way they want them to be solved, when they are not. But placing blame on those who require the proof only makes your end of this less believable, at least to me.

I gave you an example of proof, and how you can go about proving it, but you give me nothing in return but the usual excuses, and attempt to turn it back on me as all my fault.

So it's not that there is nothing that will change my mind, but that you all have fallen way way short of presenting anything that'll do that, but of course it's my fault because "I'll never change my mind" or I actually expect proof that you just can't seem to even fathom how to give, much less actually give it. I'm not buying the game, it's way too obvious, and it would seem to me once this happened often enough, at some point people would have enough sense to think to themselves..."I don't really have anything that even comes close to substantial proof".

A good day to you as well.
 
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Them why not just post it? lol

Hilarious.
It HAS been posted!

Kenny said:
Also. they try to prove God is a conspiracy, while creationists try to prove evolution or animals form nowhere, evolved from nothing to what we have to date is also conspiracy.
 
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It HAS been posted!

You just aren't paying attention, are you? Where did I personally claim it was a conspiracy? Go back, read the words, read how they read, read the accusation, read what exactly I said, read what it was claimed I said.

Who now should be asking for an apology?

I have never claimed it was a conspiracy, not once... ever. Maybe eventually you'll come up with something I did wrong, and then you can hop all over it, but until then, two tings, stop wasting our time with baseless accusations you actually see as real because you want them to be (a bit like your evolution I'd say) and finding fault with me will never make evolution a fact.

Again, I know it's frustrating not being able to defend something you were so sure of, but that's not my fault... what I have to assume all this weirdness is about.
 
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