Stumbling block in forgivness

[FanthatSpark]

So, correct RMS .

This is why the "for me" statement is in topics of debate. Also, many people are simple, trusting and do not question (or wrestle with God) . For Me , looking into human nature as a "source of study" in living in the Spirit is touched upon in the Bible. Not saying the bible is wrong in any way. I guess I am saying through omition the "bible" leaves the seeker in , Faith mode in matters of the Spirit. Thus back to human nature & Spirit/Conscious . I get ya RMS , I do, I do !

For me, I have to self reflect (meditate) in prayer for guidance of the Spirit. For me, holding onto adversary format way of thinking means "I" must invest "self" into hate, and that, my friend, is where the juxtaposition of Spirit lays. We as humans have fought many wars for continued adversary format thinking concepts and will continue to destroy selves in ignorance of Spirit. ( Not saying this vessel is the guru of Spirit, at all , I come as the infant and post OP questions lol).

So, for me, these verses stand prominent (but not limited too) after a half life of reading bible, trusting preachers , people and loving my sin.... Rom 12:2-3, Proverbs 3:5, 1-John's 4:1-3, 4:8, 4:16, 4:18 Matt 22:37 , John 8:44 , 1 Cor.13:4-7 (where in "The Comforter" replaces love/charity with the word God as stated in 1 john 4:8) thus I believe you RMS that adversary is your belief, but not mine as it was in days gone past . See , for me , Matt 22 : 37 gives mention of the mind correct? By the God head Himself correct? So, my question to you as a follower is this... Can we hold hate in our UN-omniness (keep in mind all grey areas that stem from hate like unforgiveness of principalities)?

For Me Alone , I can not separate hate this but not that. That is an affront to my mind/Spirit (or lie)and will cause madness/undue stress/ continuous condemnation as it did in me to participate and crucify Jesus again in my sin of antithesis of love. Thus, looking for truth in self/mind (see Matt 22:37 also Rom 12:2 for transforming mind) is now an area of study and so the OP in adversary thinking process. For me the bible is instruction but not a box in adversary thinking concept as many religions are based upon. Thus, some think, I sow stumbling blocks in selflessness. Once again that is adversary thinking process in another before self or visa versa when all are one to begin with (see Gen 2:7 and Who created Lucifer and breathed life to him?). However, it is better to think of your neighbor before self as it is further written in Matt 22. Where we get it bent is that Jesus is teaching an infantile mind structure that refuses to call itself infantile, . Thus, something a simple mind can attach too = adversary. We all come through adversary to Spiritual for those that hear and firstly understanding we are infantile in Spirit/Mind and this vessel hungers in WANT to grow in healthy Spiritual concepts that shout in truth (Rom:12-2). For me, when this vessel lets all hate go there is nothing but love, RMS , in infantile state, so no concept of unforgiveness can exist, even of Satan, in me, the infantile of Mind & Spirit . What screams truth to this follower is that we are limited in a parameter, set by dimensional understanding, and try to put God in it ... AS IF :o :o God did not create the experiment to begin with.

Disclaimers !! This does not measure anyone that reads it for we all are one in ,Seeking Truth, if not belief, of chosen box to fit our God into, be it adversary format or not. All that are here in deeper fellowship, some assumptions are made by this author. 1. We have knowledge of the Word. 2. All are saints with the baptism . RMS, it fills my heart with joy to talk "Soberly" of the Word(1 Tim 3:16) to fulfill scripture as it is written in 1 Peter 3:15. Thus posts in ND section. What is discussed here in are further Spiritual concepts by this author. No, it is not a teaching of Jesus to forgive Satan, yet, as this vessel seeks for truth, 1 fact of truth screams correct in a peaceful mind as Jesus offers in John 14:27. As "I" let go and forgive all in my limited state of being the above verse coupled to verse 14:30 set this mind to peace. If I give no hate to him then no hate can manifest (and he hath nothing in me) as I offer love to all, even Satan for "I" am limited and posses no Omni as God does. Hope for Lucifer is all that is left in love. Further hope that this helps explain we either forgive or not and areas of grey are a lie to drive a wedge between us and God. For me, the bible is the instruction manual written in a language understandable to the infant in Spirit who knows the flesh well so the infant may grow and transcend the format that the message is given in (adversary format for fleshes sake). Not saying no truth, saying step one complete now lets concentrate on a living God. Whewww, Hope ,,,that's wordy enough lol.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

I don't know Fanthatspark, i only know that the adversary is real and he wishes to cause contention among brethren, and so we should be aware of how he does this so we can be prepared to resist him.

 

[FanthatSpark]

I really , really get ya RMS . For me, the adversary in your verse mentioned is real and I did think of Lucifer in that format for years and years of literal thinking . So lets study these verses ...
Matt 5: 43-48 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?

A good example of adversary format in a love hate situation in "what we heard" (or further Matts "what you've heard" too, taught behavior). We as a species understand adversary format thinking even today in love/hate applications of the two correct?

Now, for me, because God has blessed this vessel with a analytical mind, today. It comes to the attention that to hold hate/unforgiveness/envy/vanity/ etc...etc are the keys to hell. Thus, something must snap and for 45 years it was me. In my madness to fit an adversary religion that is sending red flags to the mind/soul out of trust of people(such as but not limited too...Preachers, Mom, Dad, Friends). Thus , I loved my sin in hatred (include whatever is understood to you the reader under the umbrella of hate like unforgivness of another) of things , others and self, for that hate. Then, in a time of sequester, me and God fought like cats and dogs and some profound things started to come to the light in those verses in post 161. The most important ones were Rom:12:2 coupled to Prov 3:5. For me, it was never understood that our nature to flock together in a church is for training in the Word , then go to the wilderness (place of sequester) and put the preachers teachings secondary to Prov 3:5. As it is written, the church is inside of us that hear <-- or put Prov:3:5 before people that try to conform our thought processes and or beliefs. I fell into that for 45 years. Putting my trust in people and guess what ;-0 RMS? That is idolism correct? To trust my preacher, Mom, Dad more than God and to teach old testament to a claimer of "Jesus is the way" does what? For me , it caused confusion of adversary vs love format and nearly drove me to the edge of true death. Cant say its the preachers fault for a congregation is in different stages of the measure in Rom:12:3. It was my fault in trusting the message given by a mouth piece even though the mouth piece had good intentions like momma does when she tells ya santa brought the gift. Was watching a commercial on how to better lie to our children in a, teleporter is how santa got the car into his sled!!! Lol. Well, back to Matt 43-48 and sorry for the detour. I see your literality of scripture RMS for I did that for a long time without first praying to clear my mind of taught ways and put self secondary to what is being whispered to the soul. For me , the adversary was screaming too loudly to plant adversary format in the mind of Hate Me. Me being Lucifer. So, attention on our limitedness and trying to walk in a dual mind set of hate this but not that and love this and not that and a choice must be taken . Thanks for listening ! Find the way through God all !! For this preaches to self more than any in the road to peace .

 

[Restoresmysoul]

I really , really get ya RMS . For me, the adversary in your verse mentioned is real and I did think of Lucifer in that format for years and years of literal thinking . So lets study these verses ...
Matt 5: 43-48 &#8220;You have heard that it was said, &#8216;You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.&#8217; But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?

A good example of adversary format in a love hate situation in "what we heard" (or further Matts "what you've heard" too, taught behavior). We as a species understand adversary format thinking even today in love/hate applications of the two correct?

Now, for me, because God has blessed this vessel with a analytical mind, today. It comes to the attention that to hold hate/unforgiveness/envy/vanity/ etc...etc are the keys to hell. Thus, something must snap and for 45 years it was me. In my madness to fit an adversary religion that is sending red flags to the mind/soul out of trust of people(such as but not limited too...Preachers, Mom, Dad, Friends). Thus , I loved my sin in hatred (include whatever is understood to you the reader under the umbrella of hate like unforgivness of another) of things , others and self, for that hate. Then, in a time of sequester, me and God fought like cats and dogs and some profound things started to come to the light in those verses in post 161. The most important ones were Rom:12:2 coupled to Prov 3:5. For me, it was never understood that our nature to flock together in a church is for training in the Word , then go to the wilderness (place of sequester) and put the preachers teachings secondary to Prov 3:5. As it is written, the church is inside of us that hear <-- or put Prov:3:5 before people that try to conform our thought processes and or beliefs. I fell into that for 45 years. Putting my trust in people and guess what ;-0 RMS? That is idolism correct? To trust my preacher, Mom, Dad more than God and to teach old testament to a claimer of "Jesus is the way" does what? For me , it caused confusion of adversary vs love format and nearly drove me to the edge of true death. Cant say its the preachers fault for a congregation is in different stages of the measure in Rom:12:3. It was my fault in trusting the message given by a mouth piece even though the mouth piece had good intentions like momma does when she tells ya santa brought the gift. Was watching a commercial on how to better lie to our children in a, teleporter is how santa got the car into his sled!!! Lol. Well, back to Matt 43-48 and sorry for the detour. I see your literality of scripture RMS for I did that for a long time without first praying to clear my mind of taught ways and put self secondary to what is being whispered to the soul. For me , the adversary was screaming too loudly to plant adversary format in the mind of Hate Me. Me being Lucifer. So, attention on our limitedness and trying to walk in a dual mind set of hate this but not that and love this and not that and a choice must be taken . Thanks for listening ! Find the way through God all !! For this preaches to self more than any in the road to peace .

I just dont understand what you are saying. I dont hear God talking to me, i instead hear scripture, i hear those wise sayings and commands. I dont trust my own thinking, so i try to submit to the scriptures. I would love to understand the mysteries of the bible but in the end i must submit to simplicity and just follow the commands given to us. And im far from perfect which grieves me, i see others who seem to either have no sin or it doesn't bother them. However it bothers me because i look for proof of God within by the fruit i bear, if i struggle to overcome things but cannot overcome them, what do i do then? I grieve. Why am i so messed up? Is my hope only a delusion? Am i just fooling myself in order to avoid the bitter reality? What is the truth? God have mercy on me, a sinner. My life is hard, i have many dark things i wrestle with, im tired and only God can help me. I feel comfort in humbling myself and when i weep i feel comfort as well. However the truth remains, what am i? I cannot weep incessantly and so i must bear this cross, if it is a cross. Has the Lord blessed me with a cross to bear? or am i just fooling myself? The trials of life and my own failures to be a better Christian tend to bitterly grieve my soul to no end..

 

[Restoresmysoul]

Can i rejoice in the Lord? Can i praise His name? Am i worthy? Or am i just a hopeless cause? Why does God not show me the truth? Why must i struggle to understand? I would love to praise the Lord, but i feel like a hypocrite, like im not worthy, im just dirt.

 

[Noxot]

this is all from the Lord for our good.

Eccl 3:1-11 (YLT)
To everything--a season, and a time to every delight under the heavens: A time to bring forth, And a time to die. A time to plant, And a time to eradicate the planted. A time to slay, And a time to heal, A time to break down, And a time to build up. A time to weep, And a time to laugh. A time to mourn, And a time to skip. A time to cast away stones, And a time to heap up stones. A time to embrace, And a time to be far from embracing. A time to seek, And a time to destroy. A time to keep, And a time to cast away. A time to rend, And a time to sew. A time to be silent, And a time to speak. A time to love, And a time to hate. A time of war, And a time of peace. What advantage hath the doer in that which he is labouring at? I have seen the travail that God hath given to the sons of man to be humbled by it. The whole He hath made beautiful in its season; also, that knowledge He hath put in their heart without which man findeth not out the work that God hath done from the beginning even unto the end.

I go through the same kind of stuff but I have more confidence when I don't have to justly condemn myself when doing something I feel is wrong. God does let us be lost in our weakness sometimes because he wants us to choose him without compulsion. it is easy to pick him when we are happy with him. it is easy to cling to him when we have consultations/consolations from him. but I know he desires that we cling to him during the dark and bad times when we feel abandoned and in the flesh. it is hard to do.

God lets us see how we are without him and it is torture to be such because often for me I don't even want to try to cling to him like I should because I get so blinded by things that don't matter. so when I keep failing God with the very things I want to do or not do for God this creates patterns of slavery/sin in me that make it even harder to cling to the Lord. but it works both ways. you can create patterns of good things in the lord as well and obviously God helps us because we can't do much at all of our own strength. innocently praying to God is truly one of the most important things we can do. obviously all things of Gods spirit are good for us.

my failings are all signs that I must seek God even more. just remember when you can hold your peace in a bad situation when everything including yourself is against you that you bless the Lord and his angels and his saints. this is where the denial of self is very important. when the hard times come and whatever form it presents itself we must choose God. why? for me it is because I want to love Him and I seek after him.

the times of emptiness are Gods blessing to us just as much as the easy times of joy and rejoicing with Him. it is all for our good, let us be fully willing and not only compelled by joy and rewards from the Lord but out of a true love for God let us love him in our darkness as well for he will perfect us if we submit fully to him. and this is true even though me and so many so often fail but at least now in this very moment God taught me the thing/purpose I was looking for... which is to love him in the areas I have been failing to love him in.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

One thing is for sure, people tend to look down on others who do not fit their idea of spiritual, they dont even realize that they do this at times, it natural for people to do this, and only experience can help us see people in a better way. Suffering does have a way of helping us see in a more humble light. THe more you suffer and the more you become an outcast, the more you see only mercy and humility.


Maybe this lonely place is our garden of Gethsemane, or perhaps our cross which we bear.

 

[FanthatSpark]

Your post brings Phil 1:21 to the forefront in this vessels limited perception . Here is a scripture worth studying.

Matt 11:28-30 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.&#8221;

For me understand, it comes to perception of life. One can live a life "doing" things that are good , yet in the minds eye we live in condemnation. That's where I lived until above verses hit home to me in a self reflective lite. What is the burden that is light RMS? Joy in my faith brother!! Laying self to the side and be filled with His love . Joy like the child. To know that we have eternal life should be cause for eternal celebration. Have faith in our God that he does not live in condemnation for nothing we do, or not do, in this plain of existence is righteous, no not one, correct? So why beat yourself up when it is written , not one, in Rom:3:10. All that can be accounted for is Matt 22:37-39 by us. Leave the rest to God . He wants you to listen brother but that takes a real effort of self to move over and be still for a season so He can teach us His love. I had to lock myself down in sequester and ask for His understanding in wisdom every time I was going to read the Word for a long season. We are a species of rote RMS and just like the Army trains a man, so must training to fulfill scripture in loosing what was taught by mankind (conformity) in the arena of knowledge without Spirit. Knock and it will be given, yet , he may want to test our stamina in how long we knock or live a few life experiences whatever is His will. For me , I had too go through sin to understand sin is not the only existence. This took forgiveness of "self" or Gods forgiveness is a lie correct? However, the mind must be retrained as in Matt 22: 37 coupled to Rom;12-2.

All flows through "self" as the vessel under the umbrella of love, yet for me, self got in the way for a long time. Try this on for size RMS. 1 Cor: 13 4-7 and personalize it by replacing love/charity with God. That rocked "me" to my core . See , I found that for a season there is a greedy soaking of the NT only to bask in that love read in 1 Cor and try to shine that lite on all scripture read in the NT to retrain this hate soaked mind to fulfill scripture in Rom 12-2 with love at the forefront of all that is done weather reciprocated or not to others once "self" has a strong foundation in a love everlasting from God. Thus, joy in my persona arises in sanctification in the Word every day and involve Him in all decisions as a child does to a father. It is His domain to judge another or myself as it is written , "Do not judge lest you be judged".

RMS, my brother, it seems trying to compact all this in as short as possible thesis , lol, sounds more like ramblings of a mad man. From your post , I hope you find "your truth" so one can transcend, for you are knowledgeable in the Word and have the necessary analytical mind that seems stuck in condemnation correct? It is the last thing mentioned in the verse of Matt 22 37 about the Mind/Self , now couple, the last will come first, to that... AMAZING that aye, lol. Be blessed in your journey brother and seek not my way of Spiritual growth but Gods way for you. Amen..

 

[Restoresmysoul]

Your post brings Phil 1:21 to the forefront in this vessels limited perception . Here is a scripture worth studying.

Matt 11:28-30 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.&#8221;

For me understand, it comes to perception of life. One can live a life "doing" things that are good , yet in the minds eye we live in condemnation. That's where I lived until above verses hit home to me in a self reflective lite. What is the burden that is light RMS? Joy in my faith brother!! Laying self to the side and be filled with His love . Joy like the child. To know that we have eternal life should be cause for eternal celebration. Have faith in our God that he does not live in condemnation for nothing we do, or not do, in this plain of existence is righteous, no not one, correct? So why beat yourself up when it is written , not one, in Rom:3:10. All that can be accounted for is Matt 22:37-39 by us. Leave the rest to God . He wants you to listen brother but that takes a real effort of self to move over and be still for a season so He can teach us His love. I had to lock myself down in sequester and ask for His understanding in wisdom every time I was going to read the Word for a long season. We are a species of rote RMS and just like the Army trains a man, so must training to fulfill scripture in loosing what was taught by mankind (conformity) in the arena of knowledge without Spirit. Knock and it will be given, yet , he may want to test our stamina in how long we knock or live a few life experiences whatever is His will. For me , I had too go through sin to understand sin is not the only existence. This took forgiveness of "self" or Gods forgiveness is a lie correct? However, the mind must be retrained as in Matt 22: 37 coupled to Rom;12-2.

All flows through "self" as the vessel under the umbrella of love, yet for me, self got in the way for a long time. Try this on for size RMS. 1 Cor: 13 4-7 and personalize it by replacing love/charity with God. That rocked "me" to my core . See , I found that for a season there is a greedy soaking of the NT only to bask in that love read in 1 Cor and try to shine that lite on all scripture read in the NT to retrain this hate soaked mind to fulfill scripture in Rom 12-2 with love at the forefront of all that is done weather reciprocated or not to others once "self" has a strong foundation in a love everlasting from God. Thus, joy in my persona arises in sanctification in the Word every day and involve Him in all decisions as a child does to a father. It is His domain to judge another or myself as it is written , "Do not judge lest you be judged".

RMS, my brother, it seems trying to compact all this in as short as possible thesis , lol, sounds more like ramblings of a mad man. From your post , I hope you find "your truth" so one can transcend, for you are knowledgeable in the Word and have the necessary analytical mind that seems stuck in condemnation correct? It is the last thing mentioned in the verse of Matt 22 37 about the Mind/Self , now couple, the last will come first, to that... AMAZING that aye, lol. Be blessed in your journey brother and seek not my way of Spiritual growth but Gods way for you. Amen..

I feel unworthy because of many things, and part of it is always because i dont pray enough, i dont seek enough, i don't serve the Gospel either. All i do is sit at home in my little world of seclusion because im not able to function in the world as others do. However i do find comfort in the cross at times. Blessed are those who mourn because they will be comforted. Im am learning to meditate on the Lord in stillness though, this seems like something new that i was unable to do before. So im grateful for my portion, though it seems small, i am most grateful to the Lord because it is a lot bigger than i can see, im sure. Praise the Lord.


Lamentations 3:24New King James Version (NKJV)

24 &#8220;The Lord is my portion,&#8221; says my soul,
&#8220;Therefore I hope in Him!

 

[rick357]

I feel unworthy because of many things, and part of it is always because i dont pray enough, i dont seek enough, i don't serve the Gospel either. All i do is sit at home in my little world of seclusion because im not able to function in the world as others do. However i do find comfort in the cross at times. Blessed are those who mourn because they will be comforted. Im am learning to meditate on the Lord in stillness though, this seems like something new that i was unable to do before. So im grateful for my portion, though it seems small, i am most grateful to the Lord because it is a lot bigger than i can see, im sure. Praise the Lord.

Lamentations 3:24New King James Version (NKJV)

24 &ldquo;The Lord is my portion,&rdquo; says my soul,
&ldquo;Therefore I hope in Him!

Jesus said come unto me all ye that labor and are heavy laden and I will give you rest... Peter said cast your cares upon Him for He cares for you... it is hard to get in our minds but when we stop trying to live for God and simply trust him to live in the US it changes our whole world... praying for you and for me that his grace and peace will lift us up by His Spirit to a level that none of us have ever seen before.

 

[FanthatSpark]

Yeah, me too in non deserved salvation.

I disagree on your not sharing the good news, brother. Are you not here sharing? For me , I have come across a lot of posts that floored me and make me think and pray on them for truth. Look upon your measure as half full and not half empty. A simple smile to whoever holds a door open to you and a God bless is O K brother. It is in the attitude of the vessel . Why live to downgrade self to others? There is nothing edifying in it except in admittance that we are all wretches and praise to our father that loves us anyway. How is it healthy for you to see yourself in continuous wretchedness? God already knows this but loves us still. So , the next step is "love self mentally" and it will manifest physically in all aspects of your doings and praise Him for the change inside of you brother. Once we understand there is nothing we can ,"do". that can please Him for He put the good deed inside of our head in the first place to do , then the impossibleness comes to the light. What pleases Him is that we hear and obey. That's it. It is not the deed but obedience to good right and justful actions to others. For me I praise Him for the peace inside of this used to be chaotic mind. I am glad you see further meaning in "be still" for there are great mysteries in that and they are different to the individual to meet them in Gods way. Be in peace with self brother and joy will manifest if you lay your wretchedness at His feet and live in the moment and not the past.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

Jesus said come unto me all ye that labor and are heavy laden and I will give you rest... Peter said cast your cares upon Him for He cares for you... it is hard to get in our minds but when we stop trying to live for God and simply trust him to live in the US it changes our whole world... praying for you and for me that his grace and peace will lift us up by His Spirit to a level that none of us have ever seen before.

Amen.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

Yeah, me too in non deserved salvation.

I disagree on your not sharing the good news, brother. Are you not here sharing? For me , I have come across a lot of posts that floored me and make me think and pray on them for truth. Look upon your measure as half full and not half empty. A simple smile to whoever holds a door open to you and a God bless is O K brother. It is in the attitude of the vessel . Why live to downgrade self to others? There is nothing edifying in it except in admittance that we are all wretches and praise to our father that loves us anyway. How is it healthy for you to see yourself in continuous wretchedness? God already knows this but loves us still. So , the next step is "love self mentally" and it will manifest physically in all aspects of your doings and praise Him for the change inside of you brother. Once we understand there is nothing we can ,"do". that can please Him for He put the good deed inside of our head in the first place to do , then the impossibleness comes to the light. What pleases Him is that we hear and obey. That's it. It is not the deed but obedience to good right and justful actions to others. For me I praise Him for the peace inside of this used to be chaotic mind. I am glad you see further meaning in "be still" for there are great mysteries in that and they are different to the individual to meet them in Gods way. Be in peace with self brother and joy will manifest if you lay your wretchedness at His feet and live in the moment and not the past.

It is difficult because there is much wretchedness. I do try to forget and to stay focused on the Lord, its difficult however. I know its not edifying to hear, i do wish i could stop dwelling on it..

 

[Restoresmysoul]

Forgive my lack of self control. I was going through trouble at home, it caused me a lot of grief. However i think i learned a few things in my weakness, so thats a good thing i guess.

 

[FanthatSpark]

What stops your joy resonates from warfare inside self correct? Because you see the adversary format lets use terminology within that format and some will "sound" harsh in this other format of written words yet not intent from 1 brother to another.

Continuous condemnation of self by self is no faith in the power of God. Thus, no promised peace as Jesus stated. Lucifer has us in a loop algorithm of the mind and past or future deeds only we know of in our individuality to fuel the loop algorithm. For me, a real effort to get out of selfs way and let God love me for a long, long season so this vessel could reciprocate to others of the light burden/yolk . A little secret... If you find reading the Word, sharing the Gospel or serving goodness for goodness sake a task (where I was stuck for a long while). There is no love in us, correct? 1 Cor 13 4-7 do not apply in the "task" or 1 john 4 : 8, 16 or 18. Why ? Because no love of self like God loves us is why. No Rom 12:2 has been applied in our sanctification process of love. What stems from infallible love? Nothing negative this vessel has come across yet. Now comes known disobedience and a continued suffering in it.

Non joy = condemnation of self in loop algorithms in non faith in a Power that already forgave us. I find it exciting that you already know the limitations of the problem inside
and a choice is going to be made by you sir... Amen!!!

 

[RickardoHolmes]

What stops your joy resonates from warfare inside self correct? Because you see the adversary format lets use terminology within that format and some will "sound" harsh in this other format of written words yet not intent from 1 brother to another.

Continuous condemnation of self by self is no faith in the power of God. Thus, no promised peace as Jesus stated. Lucifer has us in a loop algorithm of the mind and past or future deeds only we know of in our individuality to fuel the loop algorithm. For me, a real effort to get out of selfs way and let God love me for a long, long season so this vessel could reciprocate to others of the light burden/yolk . A little secret... If you find reading the Word, sharing the Gospel or serving goodness for goodness sake a task (where I was stuck for a long while). There is no love in us, correct? 1 Cor 13 4-7 do not apply in the "task" or 1 john 4 : 8, 16 or 18. Why ? Because no love of self like God loves us is why. No Rom 12:2 has been applied in our sanctification process of love. What stems from infallible love? Nothing negative this vessel has come across yet. Now comes known disobedience and a continued suffering in it.

Non joy = condemnation of self in loop algorithms in non faith in a Power that already forgave us. I find it exciting that you already know the limitations of the problem inside
and a choice is going to be made by you sir... Amen!!!

Very well worded my friend.

Our lives, and all we do for everyone, whether Christian or Atheist, Buddhist or Hindu or whoever, we do out of the Love that Christ gives us, which is the Love of Christ living through us.
There is no resentment, no selfishness in going out of our way for others. Most often, no one but the recipient of our work sees and knows what we do.
But they see it, and they see Christ at work through us. And that goes much farther than any preaching or any written word. We live and lead by an example of Love. As the hymn goes
non nobis, Domine, Sed nomini tuo da gloriam.

not to us, O Lord,But to Thy Name give glory.

If we seek to forgive for our glory, we seek to forgive for the wrong reasons. We must remember that those wretched souls whom appear most unlovable, may be the ones who need love the most. And we too must remember that God loves them, just as He loves us.

 

[FanthatSpark]

Amen Rick!!

1 Cor 6:1-7 summarized in ESV ..When one of you has a grievance against another, does he dare go to law before the unrighteous instead of the saints? Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases? Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, then, matters pertaining to this life! So if you have such cases, why do you lay them before those who have no standing in the church? I say this to your shame. Can it be that there is no one among you wise enough to settle a dispute between the brothers, ...

One will judge angels, and when one uses love to Lucifer, not agree-ence, what is left in adversary format?

 

[FanthatSpark]

with big ole 's all around,

As time passes and one seeks; perception changes in us the ...vessel. This thread has time line in it to consider where a mind comes to apply 2 Tim 3:16 to selves coupled to the Spirit inside all Saints (or living God) . The above post applied to self in todays growth in the measure, Rom 12 2-3, of one mind to think in sameness of the Spirit that is in all Saints will be labeled Agape. Agape looks like in part 1-Cor:13: 4-7 but is so much more when one hooks 1 john 4:8 to the term charity/love which are human manifestations of the terms listed and tend to lock said terms in the human box of knowledge. However, when one replaces or adds God inside the box of terminology of love/charity (for me) it blew the lid off the box where this one used manifestations limited to the human being to describe agape, in part. The "in part" stems from the terminology itself of 1 Cor:13:4-7 and half of 8 as stand alone description of God/Agape . One comes to realize "I" do not function in this capacity all the time.

Agape applied too & of the limited human being as, myself, as the model for the example (this is to say only self can be used as the abstract formula in individualism and make up of the limitless avenues the world/flesh/Lucifer{what ever term suits the reader to describe concepts out of agape/Spirit}
has to offer in molding one mind to think outside of agape). In the measure, this one finds limitedness of the mind to hold agape AND any thing else. Thus the term vessel that can be filled and God forbid emptied.

Coming to terms of limitedness:
Me being of the dimensional realm of choice in concepts such as good & evil, love or hate, lie or truth, sin or righteousness, forgive or un-forgive, agape or ??? one see's what? For me, limitedness in my make up or being that there is no third option in this dimensional equation. However, we (Me included ) try to make a third option in straddling the limitedness of our make up in rating or even applying sin in love as the fulcrum of judgment . Like Santa, Easter bunny = third option in a dimension where there is no third option yet we got ourselves fooled in the layers of the onion/deception correct? Thus, back to truth of the vessel/humanity that one in this dimensional format of limited option of two, in choice, and every humans make up in said dimension ... How does one fool self in my limited capacity to not forgive even Lucifer if one is perfecting love? How can this one stand here in his sin that is forgiven in agape to judge rebellion? Even the term judge brings an air of superiority to a mind that can not handle superiority for it is outside of agape/God in our present realm of dimensional choice. Forgive or not. Even the principalities in my current non understanding must be brought under choice of present reality. To not forgive Gods creation of the adversary of Lucifer would defeat agape to us the undeserved in Gods forgiveness of humanity for those that seek correct?

God seeks to reconcile . Who am I to refuse in un-forgiveness of limitations inherent of the human species and principalities? Some seek scripture where there is none in wrestling with God in the mind of His children for the causes are limitless. There is one constant however written in the Word to apply to all things inside self and outside to others ... Cor:13:4-7 where one comes to grips in limitedness of humanity & selves as each of us lovingly wrestle with God, demons, sin, people and self in ... Agape as choice in this present reality of dimensional and being limitations.

 

[FanthatSpark]

Matt 19:26 26But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

 

[FanthatSpark]

Dusten off this old thread for reexamination ,

In other threads posted through out this site by self one sees "all over the place", views of law and faith, adversary in translation applied to life selves and others. Now it is straddling the two covenants of OT and NT put to ourselves in sincere ignorance of the vessel or flesh. Selves matter CF family! Above is one going through the trials of non forgiveness to self ((Be advised RMS this is no judgment but an example of how most us are blocked to the path of Gal 5:22-23, and do know, you will not stay in this confused state of being . It is just a trial brother as this one uses your example to edify myself too in this post from being where you are when you authored those posts. It is prayed upon Eph: 3:19 will illuminate your use of knowledge alone applied to self, Amen )).

Self matters... How does one view self ? RMS is in pride of thought made manifest to his outlook on self that he is wretched which is true for all mankind John 8:44. However , RMS thinks his self made sin surpasses Gods grace and this is a classic example of straddling the two covenants applied to the mind and the end result a smile turned upside down. For me , as the model of pride to self, where I too thought like RMS thinks above. There is no faith and or love to self like God sees us in 1 Cor:13:4-half of 8. Faith requires a herculean effort to move aside, yet, is ignored in grasping negativeness and apply it to things, people and most importantly self even down to using negativeness as appliers and not descriptors in the Bible/Council of what is...our nature. True or False... Can we hold a negativeness of thought entertained (related to self not another) and smile in it from the heart? Not the mask of the implanted smile that does not reach the eyes and is felt in the empathic realm we all share but try to hide it. For me, to say yes is a lie. Now in pride I like to consider myself normal in the physical sense like ten fingers , healthy Mind. With that said , for me, entertainment of negativity to self is what it is...Limitation of the vessel/human genome and "I" can not get around that so "I" need help to dump my nature too Jesus, that is instilled deep within (belief) through constant beat down of people/world/satan/sin... Pick a negative in the list or one of your very own and where did it come from? In the end us, in believing negatives even from momma and we love momma more than Jesus and thus conformed to the world Rom:12:2. God wants to transform the mind in positiveness of his love that never... Heb:13:8. Here's where the difficulty lays. One: We revisit past transgressions while trying to forge a relationship with God through Jesus and that is applying law and or knowledge to self that has no love in it, Eph:3:19 not applied to self = ignored. Two: Because we have this ability to bring past transgressions to the now we stray in thinking God does this too. What is grace? God already knows some think in this manner so Jesus is grace to live life in happiness Gal:5:22-23. Beating self is not of God. God sent Jesus as proxy and it looks like this.... An ant is on the beach looking at the title wave that reaches to space that shines in a pleasing light and radiates warmth and as far from left to right written across the massive radiance is, I LOVE YOU . The wave is grace the ant is ALL of mankind of past present and future.

Living life not in Gal5:22-23 is a mind hic up that believes in what? Knowledge? Knowledge is law correct ? Put this with knowledge John 8:44.
Now...Put Eph: 3:17-19 with knowledge along with 1 john 4:8,18 & 19 and 1-Cor:13: 4-8 and finally Heb:13:8. Establish faith in those for a season so when one goes to the Bible/Council our state of being in joy sees all the negatives in the Bible as describers not appliers to the mind. From the mind firmly in the above verses that in knowledge alone one was lost for a blip but now that an understanding in agape is applied to the deepness of the heart these verses may start making sense...John 8:32-34. Knowledge of Spirit/Love/comforter/agape not knowledge alone where John 8:34 has us caught in straddling law and faith in the mind. A stoppage must ensue of looking for sin & judging sin (our nature) and understand sin is us and to judge us is the big lie for judging sin is judging self too. Now where is Gal:5:22-23 in law of judgment? This verse screamed at me in my own madness of the mind and turn it this way and that way and when it still made no sense a praying ensued where a living God gives a peek to apply love to the verse which is not in me but of God and this is the closing break down... Color coded to match breakdown of verse and commentary.

John 8:15-16 You judge according to the flesh; I judge no one. Yet even if I do judge, my judgment is true, for it is not I alone who judge, but I and the Father who sent me.

That is "I" judge my reality of sin especially to self. This screams to my core being Jesus in the flesh judges no one so how can "I" continue in the lie of judgment . There is but one vessel that holds God in the entirety of the Trinity as stated in the verse.. That's where "I" got it bent for years and years family. There is but 1 judge and its not us. There is only the comforter/Holy Spirit promised. Not an indwelling of God complete like Jesus is stating in Him. As in Eph:3:19 a confusion in me was that God complete was the same as the Fullness of God. How wrong was that in knowledge alone eh , the arrogance of it. The fullness of God is indwelling of the comforter/Holy Spirit (1 part of God only). For me, a roller coaster ride through the emotional stratum in brokenness and tears that follow to joy and the complete want to stay there for contentedness is of the fullness of God. RMS my brother from the same mother Eve it is in thanks in advance that if you visit and read this , know once again , I feel you brother and prayers are in effect that one meets you not to my way, but Gods way to clear your mind and learn self love through Gods love and it aint no lie . Wretchedness is the given, and one must fit this as an abstract, not a way of being my brother...None are righteous no, not one. Rom 3 10
Before closing lets go to Power of faith. We see the 100 year old man on whatever media you the reader desires with a cigarette hanging from the jaw and he states been smoking since 18. The interview covers what he eats and various physical whatnots. Ignored is the Bible on his leg . In hopes something edifies in the goodness that is Gods... Amen.