Stumbling block in forgivness

[x141]

Perception is everything ...

It is reflective in how God became an adversary to Adam, which made Adam an adversary to God, and therefore Adam his own adversary as something that was chosen (which Adam we are), but in the end found to be a devil that portrayed, yet chosen for this end, or ... needful for the process in becoming the son of God that we are (the first one in ignorance, the last one by understanding); a serpent must be picked up by it's tail).

It is the difference between the Word of God , and the testimony of Jesus Christ as something we possess, which in form are separated as a servant and a son are, though they speak to different aspects of the process as to what they portray, they speak to the same two that are the one truth we are.

 

[brinny]

Hello brother, which Bible verses are you referencing?

Thank you kindly.

 

[x141]

(If your referring to me) Start in Genesis with why Adam hid himself and follow (as He leads) his perception back to the beginning (if not, just ignore this). Line upon line leads only to here a little bit, there a little bit.

 

[FanthatSpark]

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Who is God talking to in Genesis 3:22. Much debate in this arena to assign a presents of "who" in the language of the text.

Lets give reflection to a "possibility" of the tree itself in what it contains. In the tree is knowledge of good aaand evil which signifies two, then, the tree of life which signifies 3 (in celestial speak , principalities or thought). All stem from the I Am yet separated and/or compartmentalized, (for lack of better terms, so use imagination please ) like us in the warfare in our heads in choice of... Do good or evil for good or evil intent, thus, God speaks to evil, good & life as essence inside/yet separated as thought is from action in us as we think a bad thought and rebuke it in physical speech as in "get behind me satan" .

Thus , mayhap God in singuality makes order out of chaos of His being ?

Thoughts ?

I see your post X and will reflect on it in syntax, mystery & prayer and get back to it .

Find the "center" peeps . FTS

 

[brinny]

Hi'ya Sparks.....if would you be so kind as to throw out here some Bible verses too, amigo, as i'm not followin' ya'...

Cuz ya' knows it ain't OUR Words dat is edifyin', but God's, as in ev'ry Word that proceeds from the mouth of God.....yup, dat be edifyin'...Jesus Himself said so, yes?

 

[x141]

Thus , mayhap God in singuality makes order out of chaos of His being ?

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

God's garden is a garden enclosed; and process being the enclosing of it.

 

[FanthatSpark]

Sorry Brinn,

This is talking of the living God and no book or scripture is in my translation. For me , the Bible is of instruction on "how to"...everything . It is not a book on the "Living aspect " of spirituality in/of God , imagination and mystery . Yet these things are real... See term , "Miracle". Some where it says, the Word tells "about Him but not of Him". That is not an exact quote .

 

[brinny]

Awwww still not followin' ya' amigo.....

Are you familiar with the verse that says that God's Word is to be used for edification and instruction?

 

[Noxot]

chaos is not evil but due to it's immensity of strength and freedom it is possible for it to interact with that which has been ordered and put into actualized being and for it to be used like radiation to distort the stable substance of something perfect. it is pretty scary when you think of the dignity God made us in the image of- himself... because we have so much freedom as to reject the very perfect image he formed us in though he himself formed us aright the first time, we would not be worthy of the name "Gods children" if we indeed had no freedom and power of our own to retain our image, we would have simply been more like robots that could only chose good. robots can not really love because love comes from freedom. you can not force someone to love you and still call it real love.

God as creator is a kind of 'God lowering himself'... for the sake of creation which could not be without God being creator. sin is the missing the mark who is God and we each are a mark whos aim is God.

when God speaks about creating evil he is NOT talking about the same thing the devil does. but you could confuse God and believe he does the same things as the devil due to the fallen nature of being that mankind is and thus God who is good is looked at by evil ones as someone who is evil and they might not be ale to discern what is good and what is evil clearly enough due to the very idea that fallen being means fallen discernment whole non-fallen being would mean perfect discernment.

but the amazing thing is that God gave each of us this amazing power and freedom and our own unique being! but we as little souls have found so many things in this universe of necessity and nature, a universe subjected to vanity in hope, and so in a sense this creation has become to us both hell and heaven. which is apparently is so far away from the eternal image of this reality before it fell away from the eternal structure God saw it as. but we have found ourselves here by our own freedom and you could say that this place would not be at all if we did not exist.

but humans have forgotten what reality is and they are compelled to believe that this expression and reflection of spirit called the physical universe is their god and master and that it is something greater than they are even though we are made in the very image of God. 'mortality' and 'necessity' and 'animalistic being' are all huge serpents and temptations to divine creatures. this reality could by no means be called "divine creation". it can only be called "fallen creation" though the seed of the divine creation is hidden in this reality as that is what it its origin is and what it shall be restored to, and even restored better than it was before due to how God and his children are. obviously we will have much to rejoice about in the preservation of all the goods in this universe as well as the cancellation of all the evils. and this rejoicing in heaven over this event by default means it will not happen again and before how could we rejoice when it did not occur? and so it became better for we rejoiced in salvation.

you could say that the mystics already begins to experience the new heaven and new earth while being here in this reality still. or that they see into higher realities ( even though in truth there is no difference in between the two sayings though it would be better if the fallen reality would completely fade away and it will eventually)

 

[Noxot]

but God is no slacker and waster of space or time. he and his children have found many things to do in the current state of how things are even if what we could call "heaven" is so much better and brighter that your everyday experiences on this world. this is in part due to humanities unwillingness to fully operate as heaven within our world. a little bit of the leaven of malice puffs the entire lump up. good is not a problem at all. it is EVIL that makes evil. the veil of sin makes a world that is less than perfect and the weak and fallen nature of humanities soul creates the same type of world.

because we are made in the image of the creator, we are also creators in a smaller sense and have responsibility to keep creating with our Father. but there is a huge burden when evil people and cold souls desire to keep everyone in chains to the things that are and to the vanity of the fallen nature of humanity.

but there is an internal struggle for most of us and we are either picking evil or good. sadly the world as a whole will never go as fast as the individual and zealous seeker of God is willing to go. by many of Gods children may not even understand God according to belief system or knowledge and yet they confess him mightily with their good heart and the Lord blesses those who are willing to do good and to love and who want the better things rather than the evil and crude things.

 

[Restoresmysoul]

Righteousness is not a byproduct of thought.

You cannot by thought add anything to it or by thought take anything away from it, as FTS said, we cannot please him; he is pleased with nothing less than himself, which is my confidence, as it is my cross (concerning thought), and why he does not stop until we begin to understand what is meant by the saying that God might be all in all.

You say we cannot please Him? This contradicts scripture. The bible tells us not to grieve his spirit, so this indicates that we can either grieve or please him.

 

[x141]

Our perception of the word God is very diminutive compared to the deep he wants us to cast off into. What amazes me most about this is the net brakes every time.

 

[brinny]

Bless yer hearts, i wish i could understand each of you. Nevertheless, God bless us ev'ry one, amen?

 

[rick357]

You say we cannot please Him? This contradicts scripture. The bible tells us not to grieve his spirit, so this indicates that we can either grieve or please him.

Not to answer for someone else but he did say God was pleased with himself...which means we become pleasing to God when it is him living through us...his life shared with us...one with us...as Jesus prayed.

 

[x141]

You say we cannot please Him? This contradicts scripture. The bible tells us not to grieve his spirit, so this indicates that we can either grieve or please him.

In reference to establishing our own righteousness (and speaking from the position of soul ...

In truth, I always please my Father because he finds pleasure in me (which is the testimony of Jesus Christ, and this as an inheritance, or land that we possess from the good pleasure of his will).

Once your soul finds the place that you are his, and his desire is towards you (the end of the process found in the Song of Solomon), you understand that you do nothing of yourself even though you are the one doing it.

It is the place of take no thought which is a continually abiding in the Father's house, which is an ever expanding truth in the form of it's endlessness.

Again, we must come out of the field ...

 

[Restoresmysoul]

Not to someone answer for someone else but he did say God was pleased with himself...which means we becomes pleasing to God when it is him living through us...his life shared with us...one with us...as Jesus prayed.

I wasn't suggesting that a Godless man can please God. But the context of this discussion isnt about Godless men, its about those who believe and follow the teaching of Christ and His disciples. Is God not pleased if we hear His words and obey them? Is this what x141 is saying? If not then why did he say what he did instead of just answering my posts?

 

[x141]

Not to answer for someone else but he did say God was pleased with himself...which means we become pleasing to God when it is him living through us...his life shared with us...one with us...as Jesus prayed.

That is the only point, the purpose he purposed in himself ... being after the counsel of his own will, and out of the goodness of his pleasure whereby he walks in us, he being our God, and we being not only his people, or children,but sons (no gender implied), who are accepted in the beloved.

God does not share his glory with another, but we are not another.

 

[rick357]

I wasn't suggesting that a Godless man can please God. But the context of this discussion isnt about Godless men, its about those who believe and follow the teaching of Christ and His disciples. Is God not pleased if we hear His words and obey them? Is this what x141 is saying? If not then why did he say what he did instead of just answering my posts?

But even well meaning men often try to please God by self....its what Romans seven is all about...agreeing with God but unable to live it out....till we come to romans eight and see it is him living in us that brings his way to our life.

 

[rick357]

That is the only point, the purpose he purposed in himself ... being after the counsel of his own will, and out of the goodness of his pleasure whereby he walks in us, he being our God, and we being not only his people, or children,but sons (no gender implied), who are accepted in the beloved.

God does not share his glory with another, but we are not another.

Agreed.

 

[rick357]

Two men Adam and Yeshua...if life is in the power of the first it is death...but the life of the second in and through us is the singular life.