Struggling with condemnation

[Lady O]

There have been times in my life where I have placed limitations on God's grace because of self condemnation, but Romans 8:1 clearly states there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. His death paid the full price for all sin.

Have you spoken with your pastor or other trusted clergy member with your questions? Pulling one scripture out of context can distort the truth of what God wants us to know about our redemption.

Remember, the devil comes to steal..... (you know the rest). Just the fact that you remain in a state of confusion is reason enough to conclude that you feel robbed of God's promises. I encourage you to seek out wise counsel to put this matter to rest.

 

[Invalidusername]

Why? What was it about your walk with God that allowed you to backslide?



God doesn't accept obedience to Him that isn't from a love motive. Do you love God? That's the reason you should desire to live a morally pure life. See Matthew 22:36-38 and 1 Corinthians 13:1-3.



True "castaways" don't desire to return to fellowship with God.



So, what does the Bible tell you is the means to victorious Christian living?



Only if you've rejected Christ's sacrifice in favour of a life of sin. So long as a person lives this way, the efficacy of Christ's sacrifice can have no benefit to them. Any time, though, that you want to return to fellowship with God, you may (1 John 1:9). And when you do, Christ's sacrifice is once more of benefit to you.



All of your doubts will dissolve when you love God with all of your being. Do you love Him above all? That's the key to resting secure in your relationship with God. When you do love Him above all, you will never wonder if you're one of His.



Romans 8:1
1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

How do you know you are in Christ Jesus?

1 John 2:3-5
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.

What is the First and Great commandment of God? Where does obedience to God begin?

Matthew 22:37-38
37 Jesus said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.'
38 This is the first and great commandment.

If you want to be confident that you are one of God's children, learn to love Him with all you are.



These thoughts won't bring you into loving fellowship with God. The apostle John explains:

1 John 4:16-19
16 And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him.
17 Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world.
18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love.
19 We love Him because He first loved us.

Any thought or feeling that doesn't draw you nearer to God you ought to reject. Such thoughts and feelings are not of God. The devil, in particular, likes to drive a wedge of fear and condemnation between God and His children. Don't let him!

Let your mind dwell on the love that God has for you. Let it settle into your heart and mind. Believe it. And then daily, moment-by-moment, surrender yourself to the Holy Spirit who sheds the love of God abroad in our hearts. (Romans 5:5)

I think I am Esau. I want to love God but I am unable.

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

This is a promise to king David and his lineage to christ. Not to us.

it's also a promise of the LORD's mercy to those who are His.

 

[Invalidusername]

it's also a promise of the LORD's mercy to those who are His.

Those who endure to the end are His.

 

[Invalidusername]

There have been times in my life where I have placed limitations on God's grace because of self condemnation, but Romans 8:1 clearly states there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. His death paid the full price for all sin.

Have you spoken with your pastor or other trusted clergy member with your questions? Pulling one scripture out of context can distort the truth of what God wants us to know about our redemption.

Remember, the devil comes to steal..... (you know the rest). Just the fact that you remain in a state of confusion is reason enough to conclude that you feel robbed of God's promises. I encourage you to seek out wise counsel to put this matter to rest.

There is no rest for me I fear. I abused God's grace and presumed forgiveness. I have been cut from the vine and my hell begins now. I hope I am wrong

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

Those who endure to the end are His.

then King David is out for what he did with Bathsheba and Uriah the Hittite.

 

[aiki]

I think I am Esau. I want to love God but I am unable.

We are all unable to love God. We love ourselves too much. The love we possess in and of ourselves is not the love God wants from us, anyway. He wants from us His own pure, selfless, holy love. So, we must go to Him in prayer and ask Him for His love that we might love Him as we ought.

If you wish to believe you are Esau, no one can stop you. But if you are Esau, it is because you have chosen to be. You can just as easily choose not to be.

 

[Invalidusername]

then King David is out for what he did with Bathsheba and Uriah the Hittite.

Those were very gross sins I admit. However he didn't ignore God for 8 years and then just sear his conscience beyond recovery.

We are all unable to love God. We love ourselves too much. The love we possess in and of ourselves is not the love God wants from us, anyway. He wants from us His own pure, selfless, holy love. So, we must go to Him in prayer and ask Him for His love that we might love Him as we ought.

If you wish to believe you are Esau, no one can stop you. But if you are Esau, it is because you have chosen to be. You can just as easily choose not to be.

Don't worry. As long as my heart is still beating I will beg and plead with God that he will give me genuine repentance and a conscience again.

 

[fhansen]

There is no rest for me I fear. I abused God's grace and presumed forgiveness. I have been cut from the vine and my hell begins now. I hope I am wrong

Sheez! You and about a million other people for one reason or another. But the Church has never taught this kind of stuff, always the opposite. Either way I think you're presuming unforgiveness.

 

[redleghunter]

I think I am Esau. I want to love God but I am unable.

Esau was ticked off he had the carpet pulled from under him. His tears were related to not getting the blessing. Esau cried because he knew he would not get what Jacob was promised.

 

[redleghunter]

Sheez! You and about a million other people for one reason or another. But the Church has never taught this kind of stuff, always the opposite.

Yes historically apostasy has been turning from Christ and becoming an enemy of Christ, the Gospel and Church.

Either way I think you're presuming unforgiveness.

Key point. The apostate heart like Judas believes that God's Grace, Mercy and Forgiveness are not attainable. Leading to the response I gave above.

 

[Invalidusername]

Yes historically apostasy has been turning from Christ and becoming an enemy of Christ, the Gospel and Church.


Key point. The apostate heart like Judas believes that God's Grace, Mercy and Forgiveness are not attainable. Leading to the response I gave above.

What if God hardens your heart? Like when Judas betrayed Jesus, his heart was so hardened. Same with Pharoah.

I hope I am not an enemy of God. All I know is I don't have a gentle conscience like I did before.

Sheez! You and about a million other people for one reason or another. But the Church has never taught this kind of stuff, always the opposite. Either way I think you're presuming unforgiveness.

The problem is I chose the world and loved the world. God says if I forsake him, he will forsake me. I try not to presume unforgiveness but my heart condemns me.

 

[redleghunter]

What if God hardens your heart? Like when Judas betrayed Jesus, his heart was so hardened. Same with Pharoah.

I hope I am not an enemy of God. All I know is I don't have a gentle conscience like I did before.



The problem is I chose the world and loved the world. God says if I forsake him, he will forsake me. I try not to presume unforgiveness but my heart condemns me.

Do you hate your sin?

 

[Invalidusername]

Do you hate your sin?

Yes. I wish I had never done them. However I didn't hate them while I was doing them.

I know now with perfect clarity that my sins separate me from God and damns me so I want nothing to do with them. However that's a very selfish reason to hate my sin.

Also I'm very depressed so maybe my mind is muddled by that.

My biggest regret is how I took my beautiful relationship with God and trashed it. I took a great salvation and decided that pornography, alcohol, weed, demonic movies, and being accepted by the world was more important. But Judas regretted selling Jesus too. It's a worldly sorrow perhaps. I do not know. At least I never cursed God and always had a sense of reverence towards him. That's all I have to my credit which isn't much.

 

[Invalidusername]

Actually I can't even say I had reverence towards God since if I had I would've never done those things.

 

[aiki]

Don't worry. As long as my heart is still beating I will beg and plead with God that he will give me genuine repentance and a conscience again.

But, you see, now you're making your salvation all about you and how well you plead. Understand that you can do nothing - not even plead really long and hard - to provoke God to make you a godly man. He gives what you need to be a Christ-like person freely in the Person of His Spirit. And to him you need only to surrender, not plead.

 

[Invalidusername]

But, you see, now you're making your salvation all about you and how well you plead. Understand that you can do nothing - not even plead really long and hard - to provoke God to make you a godly man. He gives what you need to be a Christ-like person freely in the Person of His Spirit. And to him you need only to surrender, not plead.

How can I do such a thing if the Holy Spirit is not revealing Himself to me?

 

[fhansen]

The problem is I chose the world and loved the world. God says if I forsake him, he will forsake me. I try not to presume unforgiveness but my heart condemns me.

You're second guessing-going by your personal understanding of a couple passages! Ok, wallow if you want-meanwhile God's just waiting with open arms as always. This has to do with basic knowledge of God-who He is-and what His will for man is.

 

[redleghunter]

How can I do such a thing if the Holy Spirit is not revealing Himself to me?

Just reach up a bit....Someone is reaching down:

The waves are crashing about. The wind is howling. It is dire all around. The great sea engulfs us, we are at our last breath. Look up!

 

[fhansen]

Actually I can't even say I had reverence towards God since if I had I would've never done those things.

It's not about where you were-but about where you are now. And if you're still doing doing certain things, depending on the seriousness of their nature...you probably wouldn't care what God thinks anyway.