Strong Evidence for the Peleg state change

[Subduction Zone]

The guy who wrote that was a Christian. He accepted Scripture. Your personal incredulity is noted.

But will you admit that as far as the bible itself goes, the lifespan change is best seen as being most affected in Peleg's day?

Just because someone is a Christian does not mean that he accepts all scripture. In fact I do not know of any Christians that do. Sooner or later even the staunchest are offended by some part of their Bible.

So I will grant that Tolkien was a Christian. No one has given any evidence that he is a creationist. I guess it is necessary to point out that most Christians in the world are not creationists.

 

[dad]

Only to the uneducated.

My point exactly! Once we know what is going on, we do not need to explain it with long periods of snowing.

And only the uneducated would make such a claim.

Says who? You got nothing on the great snow making event. Who says it was not flood water that was rapidly changed in the former state?

The hundreds of thousands of years of ice are marked by annual differences in temperature. And marker beds of volcanic eruptions that allow those layers to be dated.

False. That is your belief system on ice! Cheers.

What do you have that supports your fairy tale?

I do not call God's word to man a fairy tale.

If you have nothing but a moldy old book written by men that does not even mention polar ice you have nothing.

It mentions a changed world. The book is a bestseller also. So it is fresh and hot off the press daily.

 

[dad]

Just because someone is a Christian does not mean that he accepts all scripture.

But how much did JRR accept??

In fact I do not know of any Christians that do. Sooner or later even the staunchest are offended by some part of their Bible.

You know one. Me.

So I will grant that Tolkien was a Christian. No one has given any evidence that he is a creationist.

Jesus was! So were all the early Christians. So is every bible believer today.

I guess it is necessary to point out that most Christians in the world are not creationists.

All bible believers are. Now when we have Christians that are not bible believers, I suggest they are not yet perfect.

 

[Subduction Zone]

My point exactly! Once we know what is going on, we do not need to explain it with long periods of snowing.

In the case of your pile of snow, yes.

Says who? You got nothing on the great snow making event. Who says it was not flood water that was rapidly changed in the former state?

Says every scientist who has studied the ice of Antarctica and Greenland. I could link articles if you wish.

And if you cannot find evidence for your "former state" then I have already named it properly, it is your "delusional state".

False. That is your belief system on ice! Cheers.

No, you do not know the meaning of the word "belief". I have evidence for my claims. So far you don't have any evidence that supports yours.

I do not call God's word to man a fairy tale.
It mentions a changed world. The book is a bestseller also. So it is fresh and hot off the press daily.

You don't have "God's word". You have a series of fables written by uneducated men. There is nothing to hint of the "divine" in their writings.

It seems that you are guilty of worshiping an idol. Your idol is the Bible. That still goes against the commandments of the God you claim to follow.

 

[Subduction Zone]

But how much did JRR accept??

Who knows.

You know one. Me. Jesus was! So were all the early Christians. So is every bible believer today.

So if you had a daughter, and somebody raped her, as long as he paid you say $500.00 and married her it would be okay with you.

I feel sorry for any female descendants that you may have.

All bible believers are. Now when we have Christians that are not bible believers, I suggest they are not yet perfect.

I would hardly call Bible believers perfect. They are incredibly flawed. If the Bible has truths it is better to believe them rather than the obvious nonsense in your book.

 

[Strathos]

The dating methods corroborated by the radiometric dating are the exact same methods you use to date things in the Bible: Written records say X happened such-and-such years before Y.

 

[Strathos]

Just because someone is a Christian does not mean that he accepts all scripture. In fact I do not know of any Christians that do. Sooner or later even the staunchest are offended by some part of their Bible.

So I will grant that Tolkien was a Christian. No one has given any evidence that he is a creationist. I guess it is necessary to point out that most Christians in the world are not creationists.

He was a Catholic, and the official Catholic doctrine since Vatican II was acceptance of evolution, although it was written that Tolkien didn't like some of the Vatican II reforms (notable saying prayers in English instead of Latin), but I don't know where he stood in respect to creation/evolution.

 

[dad]

In the case of your pile of snow, yes.

Since science doesn't know the state of the past, we can say the same of the ice age.

Says every scientist who has studied the ice of Antarctica and Greenland. I could link articles if you wish.

Better to snip out a relevant quote. Post the link for support, in case someone suspects you made up the quote

And if you cannot find evidence for your "former state" then I have already named it properly, it is your "delusional state".

And if you cannot find evidence for your "present state past" then it is your "delusional state". I have the evidence of the bible. If you do not accept that evidence you are left with none at all.

No, you do not know the meaning of the word "belief". I have evidence for my claims. So far you don't have any evidence that supports yours.

None at all actually as we can see here. You just talk as if you have some.

You don't have "God's word". You have a series of fables written by uneducated men. There is nothing to hint of the "divine" in their writings.

Opinion. The proofs of ages confirm it is God's word. That is not an issue at all.

It seems that you are guilty of worshiping an idol. Your idol is the Bible. That still goes against the commandments of the God you claim to follow.

False.
Psalm 138:2


I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

 

[dad]

He was a Catholic, and the official Catholic doctrine since Vatican II was acceptance of evolution, although it was written that Tolkien didn't like some of the Vatican II reforms (notable saying prayers in English instead of Latin), but I don't know where he stood in respect to creation/evolution.

The books were written long before that council.

"The Second Vatican Council (Latin: Concilium Oecumenicum Vaticanum Secundum or informally known as Vatican II) addressed relations between the Roman Catholic Church and the modern world. It was the twenty-first Ecumenical Council of the Catholic Church and the second to be held at Saint Peter's Basilica in the Vatican. The council, through the Holy See, formally opened under the pontificate of Pope John XXIII on 11 October 1962"


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Vatican_Council

 

[dad]

Who knows.

Who cares.

So if you had a daughter, and somebody raped her, as long as he paid you say $500.00 and married her it would be okay with you.

If I lived in ancient Israel and was a believer, of course I would have to abide by the law.

I would hardly call Bible believers perfect. They are incredibly flawed. If the Bible has truths it is better to believe them rather than the obvious nonsense in your book.

True. But we can say that the Christians who do not believe the bible are not perfect!

Jesus believed it. He fulfilled it. He made clear not one tiny bit would not be fulfilled, and that long after this earth was NO MORE, the bible would still be here. Roll over, JRR.

 

[dad]

The dating methods corroborated by the radiometric dating are the exact same methods you use to date things in the Bible: Written records say X happened such-and-such years before Y.

Gong. No one that I am aware dates the bible we have back to Noah!

 

[lasthero]

Helps you have a case of some sort that is semi cohesive.

A case towards what? Who said anything about a case?

 

[dad]

A case towards what? Who said anything about a case?

You have not so much as a case?? Well, at least work toward getting a point one day. Get back to us if you make it.

 

[lasthero]

You have not so much as a case?? Well, at least work toward getting a point one day. Get back to us if you make it.

I'm just asking questions. Answers would be nice. Manners cost nothing.

 

[dad]

I'm just asking questions. Answers would be nice. Manners cost nothing.

Great, so what is your question? I have one...do you have a case regarding the issues at hand here? Or at least some point?

 

[lasthero]

Great, so what is your question? I have one...do you have a case regarding the issues at hand here? Or at least some point?

Why must I have a 'case'? Why can't I just ask you some simple questions? Why so combative?

 

[dad]

Why must I have a 'case'? Why can't I just ask you some simple questions? Why so combative?

Ok, so before this tangent, you mentioned asteroids. What about them exactly?

 

[lasthero]

How does your state change affect their dampening times?

 

[dad]

How does your state change affect their dampening times?

Tell us a bit about dampening times and how these could apply here? I would think that if almost all of them came about as a result of either the flood or the state change, that the times that they do stuff would be relative?

 

[lasthero]

Tell us a bit about dampening times and how these could apply here? I would think that if almost all of them came about as a result of either the flood or the state change, that the times that they do stuff would be relative?

How would the flood or a state change affect asteroids in any way?