Strong Evidence for the Peleg state change

[dad]

Please provide evidence that the record is accurate.

Science cannot deal in evidence regarding anything but this state. Since it believes this state is all that was, it views all things as from this state!

Since you are unwilling or unable to look at history and fulfilled prophesy, etc...to you, things must remain foggy. Don't blame others.

Now, considering untold hundreds of millions of people do accept the bible, will the honorable poster member admit that according to the bible, the abrupt lifespan changes exist at the time of Peleg, yes or no!?

Then, we have the matter of the data points that Dodwell graphed. They show a clear pattern of greater divergence from standard Newcomb curve time as we get further back! The greatest difference Dodwell happens to date right in the days of Peleg also.

 

[Strathos]

For what?? The spirits that the king list claimed!!? That is your science evidence!?

More like the excavation of tombs, the existence of the mummies, multiple corroborating records...

Here's something: Carbon dating of Ancient Egyptian artifacts matches up with the dates given for the rules of the pharaohs in the Egyptian records. You would expect your "split" to skew the numbers from carbon dating, so then why do they agree with the written records of the Egyptians, which were written long before the idea of carbon dating was even discovered?

Let us consider the following premises:

A. Your "split" occurred in 2345 BC.
B. Carbon dating does not work on anything before this point.
C. Egyptian records give dates of structures and reigns of pharaohs from before this point
D. Carbon dating corroborates these dates

Now either all of the Egyptian (and Sumerian, and basically any other) records written regarding things before that date were all somehow altered after the fact (how? why?), or everyone writing back then not only got the dates wrong, but they got them wrong in such a way that would match up to the results determined by a scientific method that wouldn't be invented until thousands of years later. How does this make sense?

There you go with your taking dream dates seriously again. I doubt they needed to even write before Babel! (also at the time of the Split!) which is WHY when they suddenly needed to communicate without words, pictures would be needed!

History of writing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Recorded history - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There are written histories stretching back past 3000 BC. Denying this is the real fantasy.

No, I do not remember dating for certain any pyramids. I suggest that the big ones would have been easier to build pre present state!

Yet it was obviously quite difficult to build.

By the way, from your link we see this!


" The workers' town discovered appears to date to the middle 4th dynasty (2520–2472 BC), after the accepted time of Khufu and completion of the Great Pyramid."

And yet that's still before 2345 BC.

 

[dad]

More like the excavation of tombs, the existence of the mummies, multiple corroborating records...

That does not give us dates...try again. Of course there were tombs the life spans just got crazy short! Why do you think death was so in vogue?

Here's something: Carbon dating of Ancient Egyptian artifacts matches up with the dates given for the rules of the pharaohs in the Egyptian records.

I agree. The dating is good until we get near the time of the Split which was say, 4400 years ago. So dates of 3000 years ago are fine. When we get too close to the 4400 they are not though. You see the corroboration used, like tree rings, becomes useless.

You would expect your "split" to skew the numbers from carbon dating, so then why do they agree with the written records of the Egyptians, which were written long before the idea of carbon dating was even discovered?

See above. You cannot date past about 2000 to 2400 BC that way.

Let us consider the following premises:

A. Your "split" occurred in 2345 BC.
B. Carbon dating does not work on anything before this point.
C. Egyptian records give dates of structures and reigns of pharaohs from before this point
D. Carbon dating corroborates these dates

False. The carbon dates are the only source for them, unless you want the unknown scribbler, who claimed spirits also as rulers. Even then, his stuff is not reliable for dates. There IS no corroboration.

Now either all of the Egyptian (and Sumerian, and basically any other) records written regarding things before that date were all somehow altered after the fact (how? why?), or everyone writing back then not only got the dates wrong,

Name someone writing before the split that gave a date no less!!!?? Let's try to be serious here.

but they got them wrong in such a way that would match up to the results determined by a scientific method that wouldn't be invented until thousands of years later. How does this make sense?

Name the writer and show us his dates! You are funny.

History of writing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Recorded history - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There are written histories stretching back past 3000 BC. Denying this is the real fantasy.

False. Neither of your vague little links show the basis for the dates they toss out. They can't. It is all bunk. Try and show the basis and see why. Go ahead, make my day.

Yet it was obviously quite difficult to build.

Nah. Maybe when the moon was full they could just wave a stick and move a big stone as easy as a marshmallow for all we know. What you mean is that if we assume present state forces and laws, it would have been hard.

And yet that's still before 2345 BC.

Not in actual time. Only in present state belief based imaginary time. You cannot pass.

 

[lasthero]

Stuff from space many propose would be partially a result of the flood year.

Stuff from space? What do you mean? What does this have to do with the dampening times of asteroids?

 

[Strathos]

Actually there is, look at the dating of the pyramids:

How Old Are the Pyramids | Mark Lehner's Team Finds Out |

The Egyptian historical records give the pyramids of Djoser and Khufu as being built centuries before your "split". The carbon dating results corroborate this.

 

[EternalDragon]

You know we have written records from that far back and they don't mention any sudden changes in the basic workings of the universe, or that people lived for hundreds of years at that time.

You are following secular dating methods based on naturalistic evolution ideas. There are problems with the Egyptian dates which throws everything else off.

 

[EternalDragon]

What about tumbling asteroids? Ice cores? Varve layers?

The ice they are taking cores from formed AFTER the flood in the recent past.

 

[dad]

Stuff from space? What do you mean? What does this have to do with the dampening times of asteroids?

Well, if all you mean is the damping time, and not the origin, then we can look at that.However, before they tumble anywhere, they had to come from somewhere. What about any damping time in space is it that you feel in some way helps you?

 

[dad]

Actually there is, look at the dating of the pyramids:

How Old Are the Pyramids | Mark Lehner's Team Finds Out |

The Egyptian historical records give the pyramids of Djoser and Khufu as being built centuries before your "split". The carbon dating results corroborate this.

As I told you it always comes to the present state dating methods. They are of zero use once we exit this state. About all you can say is that certain pyramids were built before others. Rather than the centuries before, we simply say century before and nothing is amiss except your decay speculation dates.


It is startling to realize that no one lived in this state more than about a max of 261 years after Peleg died! If we graph the lifespans of all who lived till the Split and through it, we would get a far far different graph than the usual creationist ones, that show a gradual decline from the 950 years lifespans!

Shem was the longest, and he lived 500 years after the flood and Noah about 350 years. That means, depending on the date of the Split, that they only had present state lifespans slightly higher than average!!!!!!

That is to be expected when we realize that Cro Magnon man and Neanderthal man and etc were likely those folks! Naturally they entered this state somewhat different, so we could expect somewhat of a different lifespan!

 

[lasthero]

The ice they are taking cores from formed AFTER the flood in the recent past.[/QUOT
Then why does it look like it's been built through regular annual growth?

 

[lasthero]

Well, if all you mean is the damping time, and not the origin, then we can look at that.However, before they tumble anywhere, they had to come from somewhere. What about any damping time in space is it that you feel in some way helps you?

Helps me? Helps me what?

 

[Loudmouth]

The ice they are taking cores from formed AFTER the flood in the recent past.

Evidence please.

 

[TLK Valentine]

You are following secular dating methods based on naturalistic evolution ideas. There are problems with the Egyptian dates which throws everything else off.

Such as...?

 

[lasthero]

Also, I'm curious about how dating methods are 'secular', and what non-secular dating methods are out there.

 

[AV1611VET]

Also, I'm curious about how dating methods are 'secular', and what non-secular dating methods are out there.

My preference: Ussher's dating method.

 

[TLK Valentine]

My preference: Ussher's dating method.

Is Ussher infallible?

 

[AV1611VET]

Is Ussher infallible?

No.

 

[TLK Valentine]

No.

Then it would be nice to have a backup method.

And depending on what that backup is, one needs to have some sort of "tiebreaker" as it were, in case the two methods yield different results.

 

[Delphiki]

After the flood, we start with a population of 8, correct?

Earth now has a population of 7 billion people.

I'm curious to see the curve of population growth on the creation fantasy model.

 

[AV1611VET]

Then it would be nice to have a backup method.

And depending on what that backup is, one needs to have some sort of "tiebreaker" as it were, in case the two methods yield different results.

As I said before, I calculated the dates myself once, and came within a couple of hundred years of Ussher's dating; so I use Ussher's dating, since the exact year is not an issue when dealing with Big Bang vs. Creationism.