Strong Evidence for the Peleg state change

[dad]

How would the flood or a state change affect asteroids in any way?

They could create them!

 

[lasthero]

They could create them!

How?

 

[dad]

How?

Easy. If a state change happened, then gravity as we know it and other forces came to exist at the change. If a planet was further away, or somehow moved at that time, or many planets....we would have debris!

In the flood, we have stuff ejected from deep below, so some may have gotten away from earth in that former state.

 

[lasthero]

If a planet was further away, or somehow moved at that time, or many planets....we would have debris!

Why would a planet moving cause debris? Planets move all the time, they don't just shoot out asteroids because of it.

In the flood, we have stuff ejected from deep below, so some may have gotten away from earth in that former state.

Asteroids have a variety of elements that are never found on Earth, at all, in any amount. That also wouldn't explain why so many planets and moons and even asteroids themselves show so many asteroid impacts. If the asteroids just ejected from Earth, why did so many of them stop between Mars and Jupiter?

 

[dad]

Why would a planet moving cause debris? Planets move all the time, they don't just shoot out asteroids because of it.

Ha. Now for example, let's increase gravity 6 fold. Do you think that planets would be affected? Yes. So..what if in the state change planets were brought closer to earth that were not here before? That would cause a lot of commotion. Debris is inevitable. If we shoved Neptune and Jupiter and Uranus, and Saturn around suddenly, do you not think that material would be tossed from the masses? heck, if we just moved earth suddenly, we would get debris.

Asteroids have a variety of elements that are never found on Earth, at all, in any amount.

So? If they came from earth in the former state, perhaps that would be expected? Or if they came from planets or moons of planets, that also would be par for the course.

That also wouldn't explain why so many planets and moons and even asteroids themselves show so many asteroid impacts.

Yes it would. After the state change and flood, much of the debris would hit stuff!

If the asteroids just ejected from Earth, why did so many of them stop between Mars and Jupiter?

We do not need to have all of them from earth. The operative question then becomes...why not!!??

By the way, unless Mars or Jupiter were where they now are when the state change and/or flood happened, your point is moot!

 

[lasthero]

Ha. Now for example, let's increase gravity 6 fold. Do you think that planets would be affected? Yes. So..what if in the state change planets were brought closer to earth that were not here before? That would cause a lot of commotion. Debris is inevitable. If we shoved Neptune and Jupiter and Uranus, and Saturn around suddenly, do you not think that material would be tossed from the masses? heck, if we just moved earth suddenly, we would get debris.

Yeah, but the debris wouldn't just float out into space.[/q

So? If they came from earth in the former state, perhaps that would be expected? Or if they came from planets or moons of planets, that also would be par for the course.

Why?

Yes it would. After the state change and flood, much of the debris would hit stuff!

Stuff like what?

We do not need to have all of them from earth. The operative question then becomes...why not!!??

Why not what?

By the way, unless Mars or Jupiter were where they now are when the state change and/or flood happened, your point is moot!

It's not so much the placement, as the fact that there's so many of them in this one spot. And again, who said anything about making a point? I'm just asking you questions.

 

[dad]

Yeah, but the debris wouldn't just float out into space.

Of course not. It would be a result of some force. Perhaps some from the force of water erupting out of fountains of the deep. Perhaps some from sudden movement of large bodies, or a change in movement. Etc. Once they are in space, and moving, they would need to assume the position gravity dictates...depending on what large physical objects like a moon or planet they might now come near, and smash into. So? Something about an orbit somewhere that you think is a problem?

Why?

Pretty simple. Stuff is there orbiting stuff right now. It had to come from somewhere. You think all debris and comets and asteroid fields etc were created as such?

Stuff like what?

The moon and planets would be hit. We see that is true, they were hit.

Why not what?

Why not have some have originated on earth? Why not have some origninate with the cosmic realignment that a sudden change in laws would see also? Why not have planets be somewhere different than they were before this realignment? Why not have all comets and asteroids as an after effect of the flood and subsequent state change?

It's not so much the placement, as the fact that there's so many of them in this one spot. And again, who said anything about making a point? I'm just asking you questions.

Why does science claim a lot of impacts happened at that 'one spot'? Apparently as we settled into this state, it would have been a sweet spot for impacts! I mean if we have huge planets as a result of a cosmic realignment, in a certain position that perhaps made it inevitable (gravity) that some smaller objects whizzing around in the nearby space would have to hit one of them, well, what is so strange about that?? Naturally gravity would do it's thing with whatever was now around.

 

[Strathos]

The books were written long before that council.

I know that, that wasn't my point.

Gong. No one that I am aware dates the bible we have back to Noah!

The Ussher chronology goes all the way back to Adam, does it not?

 

[dad]

I know that, that wasn't my point.

It is what it is.

The Ussher chronology goes all the way back to Adam, does it not?

Yes. We do have the records for life since creation. The Creator would know those things.

Those lifespans drastically changed right at the Split. The date for the Split is also around the tower of Babel. That explains the evidence of the picture writing in early civilization. It also confirms that the change deeply and immediately affected mankind. The Split also corresponds with the data of Dodwell on the changing obliquity of earth over time. It corresponds also to science and the fossil record. It explains why science models are wrong fundamentally, as well as why certain life is missing from the fossil record. It also explains why man and most animals later join that fossil record..

 

[Strathos]

I don't exactly see how it explains any of those things, other than ad hoc reasoning... and again, it ignores the fact that radiometric dating, which is not supposed to work before this split, corroborates with written records from civilizations such as the Egyptians and Sumerians that were written before that time.

You mentioned earlier that before this change the pyramids could have been easier to build, so you believe the pyramids were built before the tower of Babel? Then how come the Egyptian language back then was different from many other contemporary languages, such as the Sumerian?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Easy. If a state change happened, then gravity as we know it and other forces came to exist at the change. If a planet was further away, or somehow moved at that time, or many planets....we would have debris!

Why stop there, dad? If a state change happened, the asteroids could have spontaneously formed from random globs of interstellar chocolate pudding which was transformed into rock by the magical space gnomes!

In the flood, we have stuff ejected from deep below, so some may have gotten away from earth in that former state.

Or the gnomes could've done it before the state change -- everyone knows that the current state can't support gnomes.

 

[dad]

I don't exactly see how it explains any of those things, other than ad hoc reasoning... and again, it ignores the fact that radiometric dating, which is not supposed to work before this split, corroborates with written records from civilizations such as the Egyptians and Sumerians that were written before that time.

I see a problem with that claim. No dates are AVAILABLE from anywhere else BUT the silly same state belief 'dating' of decay! The unknown scribbler of the Turin partial parchment is just NOT reliable for dates, period. If someone insisted on viewing the list as gospel, and all sequential rather than possibly at times kings or co Pharaohs, or whatever.. alive at the same time...and then, found some decay date that matched the wild fantasy dates...so what!! That would just CONFIRM they are fantasy!

You mentioned earlier that before this change the pyramids could have been easier to build, so you believe the pyramids were built before the tower of Babel?

I don't know. I assume that a few of the early ones may have been before the Split. All subject to evidence, of course.

Then how come the Egyptian language back then was different from many other contemporary languages, such as the Sumerian?

Because BOTH were a result of Babel!!! Naturally they would not be the same!!!! The evidence mounts. (of course Sumer would be post flood also)

 

[dad]

Why stop there, dad? If a state change happened, the asteroids could have spontaneously formed from random globs of interstellar chocolate pudding which was transformed into rock by the magical space gnomes!

Unless something is known, why try to explain it?

Or the gnomes could've done it before the state change -- everyone knows that the current state can't support gnomes.

The point is that science doesn't know. They postulate that a mystery planet smashed into earth, and two moons resulted. One of course disappeared! Maybe the gnomes stuffed the universe into that imaginary little hot soup?


It is already known by science that some debris from planets hit earth, and visa verso.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Unless something is known, why try to explain it?

Didn't you just concoct a state change in order to explain the unknown?

The point is that science doesn't know. They postulate that a mystery planet smashed into earth, and two moons resulted. One of course disappeared! Maybe the gnomes stuffed the universe into that imaginary little hot soup?

So you accept the gnomes in your changed state. Good for you.

It is already known by science that some debris from planets hit earth, and visa verso.

Indeed. Now all you need to do is change gravity.

 

[dad]

Didn't you just concoct a state change in order to explain the unknown?

No. I deduced one based on what IS known!

So you accept the gnomes in your changed state. Good for you.

No. You brought em up.

Indeed. Now all you need to do is change gravity.

Or...have another force that works with it, but that also applies to the spiritual, or some such. It is not about changing the present state. It is about what happens beyond the fishbowl.

 

[Strathos]

There is a lot more than just the Turin list, there is also the Palermo Stone, the Abydos King List, the Karnak King List, the South Saqqara Stone... they all corroborate each other.

 

[dad]

There is a lot more than just the Turin list, there is also the Palermo Stone, the Abydos King List, the Karnak King List, the South Saqqara Stone... they all corroborate each other.

No. Not really. They are not in harmony. Neither do they set dates that are reliable actually. Face it THE dating for ancient civilizations is based on decay dating belief and methods, period.

Of the Karnak list, wiki notes this..
"It is not a complete list of the Egyptian Pharaohs"
Of the Abydos list it says this
"Besides providing the order of the Old Kingdom kings (albeit often obviously incorrectly).."

The Palmermo stone also in wiki, gets this mentioned..

"The top row of text lists presumably mythical rulers predating the mastery of the god Horus.."

Anyone that claims these are reliable for dating is kidding themselves.

 

[Strathos]

Yes but the rulers they do have in common are corroborated through most of the extant records.

 

[dad]

Yes but the rulers they do have in common are corroborated through most of the extant records.

Your problem is that some rulers they have in common are ghosts! Spirits! Not human! You are peddling a list that includes spooks. Then we have the missing kings, and the usurpers who made it on the lists, and possible non sequential leaders, and...etc. One really cannot take all or any of these lists and say 'gee, this king lived 3254 real years ago! If you want to drag in the Sumer list, then you have not only spirits, but men that are claimed to have lived thousands of years! Any way you look at it no dating of ancient Egypt is possible by the king lists, period.

So, the fact that they are post flood becomes an amazing reality. Ancient history best fits with the bible.

So does mountain building, continental separation, the ice age, the fossil record and anything else we have! The Split is the best explanation, and one that leaves God's word absolutely true, as well as agrees with history, and the scientific evidences I just mentioned!

 

[Strathos]

The Egyptians honestly believed those "spooks" once ruled their kingdom... but the tombs (and often bodies) of the historical rulers have been found.

And if lifespans used to be so much longer in the past, what is so unbelievable about people living thousands of years?