Strong Evidence for the Peleg state change

[dad]

Here is a graph showing the people that were born after the flood. The pattern that emerges is stark and clear. The lifespans of all those born after the split,(or change in nature) are amazingly shorter!!

The evidence is that the recorded lifespans in the bible can be graphed to show WHEN this change started.

Number 4 represents Peleg, and 5 Reu, Terah Serug, etc.

One site estimates that Peleg was born in 2247 BC..

"Peleg was certainly no exception. He was born 1757 years after creation (2247 BC1). He died 209 years later (Genesis 11:19)."

Peleg: In His Days The Earth Was Divided - Genesis 10:25 Bible Commentary | Priceless Eternity Blog


George Dodwell (astronomer who studied scores of dated data points of history) placed the date of the event where the earth was altered at 2345 BC.

"In this work, which has taken many years to complete, it is shown that the Ancient and Mediaeval Observations of the Obliquity of the Ecliptic (which is a measure of the Inclination of the Earth's Axis away from the perpendicular to its orbit), differ from the regular curve, corresponding to Newcomb's internationally accepted Formula, by an amount increasingly greater the farther we go back into antiquity.

Further, these differences reach a unique maximum in the year 2345 B.C. "

Dodwell Manuscript

By all of his data, we also arrive in the days of Peleg!!

Something happened in that time that really changed everything.


As many may know, I call that event the Split.

 

[Strathos]

You know we have written records from that far back and they don't mention any sudden changes in the basic workings of the universe, or that people lived for hundreds of years at that time.

 

[dad]

You know we have written records from that far back and they don't mention any sudden changes in the basic workings of the universe, or that people lived for hundreds of years at that time.

False. The only record we have of that far back is Scripture.

Remember a state change would render ALL your dating attempts null and void!

 

[Strathos]

There are records from the ancient Egyptians, Sumerians, etc.

BTW if a state change renders all dating attempts null and void, then you can't say the earth is 6000 years old either, since that would be attempting to date things since before your split.

 

[dad]

There are records from the ancient Egyptians, Sumerians, etc.

Right, which is after the flood. None are dated.

BTW if a state change renders all dating attempts null and void, then you can't say the earth is 6000 years old either, since that would be attempting to date things since before your split.

False! The basis of my dates are not present state decay!

Just look at these recorded lifespans since Peleg! (number 4) It almost makes the hairs stand up on one's neck.

 

[Strathos]

Actually we have dated them (via their own chronologies given in the texts) back to over 3000 BC.

List of pharaohs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The pyramids at Giza were built before your suggested split.

Question, before your state change, was a year still the same length it is now?

 

[dad]

Actually we have dated them (via their own chronologies given in the texts) back to over 3000 BC.

List of pharaohs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The pyramids at Giza were built before your suggested split.

If they were, that would explain how they moved huge stones! Not hard in the former state! very hard in this state! Remember the Split was not for a good century and maybe a bit more after the flood. Lots of time for Egypt to get rolling.


You offer the Turin king list as dating evidence!!! That is funny.

"
The papyrus is believed to date from the reign of Ramesses II, during the middle of the New Kingdom, or the 19th Dynasty. The beginning and ending of the list are now lost; there is no introduction, and the list does not continue after the 19th Dynasty. The composition may thus have occurred at any subsequent time, from the reign of Ramesses II to as late as the 20th Dynasty.
The papyrus lists the names of rulers, the lengths of reigns in years, with months and days for some kings. In some cases they are grouped together by family, which corresponds approximately to the dynasties of Manetho’s book. The list includes the names of ephemeral rulers or those ruling small territories that may be unmentioned in other sources.
The list also is believed to contain kings from the 15th Dynasty, the Hyksos who ruled Lower Egypt and the River Nile delta. The Hyksos rulers do not have cartouches (enclosing borders which indicate the name of a king), and a hieroglyphic sign is added to indicate that they were foreigners, although typically on King Lists foreign rulers are not listed.
The papyrus was originally a tax roll, but on its back is written a list of rulers of Egypt – including mythical kings such as gods, demi-gods, and spirits, as well as human kings. That the back of an older papyrus was used may indicate that the list was not of great formal importance to the writer, although the primary function of the list is thought to have been as an administrative aid. As such, the papyrus is not supposed to be biased against certain rulers and is believed to include all the kings of Egypt up through at least the 19th Dynasty."


Turin King List - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The author is UNKNOWN!!!! This unknown person may have been a nutball for all we know. This cannot be used for dating as even the experts admit.

Question, before your state change, was a year still the same length it is now?

A month was 30 days in the bible.

 

[rikerjoe]

A month was 30 days in the bible.

You didn't answer the question.....

 

[Strathos]

Obviously the mythological rulers of Ancient Egypt are not accepted as historical, but the actual pharaohs who ruled are corroborated by multiple pieces of evidence (such as their tombs being excavated, for one). Again, if the entire state of the universe suddenly changed, you would have expected them to at least write something about it.

BTW they've discovered the remains of huge complexes used to house and feed the thousands of workers who built the pyramids over the course of many decades each. It was hardly an easy thing.

 

[dad]

You didn't answer the question.....

The years were fairly close if a month was 30 days. If we took the years from creation till the flood and added a century or so to the Split, hoow many days difference is that?? 1700 give or take? That is less than 5 years no? So who cares if a year was identical, it doesn't change anything.

 

[dad]

Obviously the mythological rulers of Ancient Egypt are not accepted as historical, but the actual pharaohs who ruled are corroborated by multiple pieces of evidence (such as their tombs being excavated, for one).

How can you take a document scribbled on the back of something, by heaven knows who...and then claim that the spirits are false but the kings are sequential and right!!?? You either take the document or not. It isn't even known if some Pharaohs may not have been there at the same time, rather than in sequence in many cases!

Again, if the entire state of the universe suddenly changed, you would have expected them to at least write something about it.

I would expect them to no longer be able to talk, so need to start drawing pictures! That is what they did!

BTW they've discovered the remains of huge complexes used to house and feed the thousands of workers who built the pyramids over the course of many decades each. It was hardly an easy thing.

Source?

Naturally the later pyramids in THIS state were hard! So we need to ask WHEN those 'complexes' were actually there!

 

[Strathos]

Because we have corroborating evidence for the Pharaohs.

I would expect them to no longer be able to talk, so need to start drawing pictures! That is what they did!

Heiroglyphic and Cuneiform writing existed well before 2345 BC.

Source?

Naturally the later pyramids in THIS state were hard! So we need to ask WHEN those 'complexes' were actually there!

They were for the Giza pyramids. You know, the ones built before your "split".

Giza Necropolis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Nithavela]

Silly dad, that's not how you do science. You need to do trend lines. When you do that, and you define 3 and 4 as wild shots, it is clear that the decline of age is a linear function and man only had 3 monts to live after just 4 more generations. Then, we died before we were even born.

Silly dad.

 

[AV1611VET]

This is pretty good, dad.

Now they can actually get a visual on what you mean by the split.

 

[dad]

Because we have corroborating evidence for the Pharaohs.

For what?? The spirits that the king list claimed!!? That is your science evidence!?

Heiroglyphic and Cuneiform writing existed well before 2345 BC.

There you go with your taking dream dates seriously again. I doubt they needed to even write before Babel! (also at the time of the Split!) which is WHY when they suddenly needed to communicate without words, pictures would be needed!

They were for the Giza pyramids. You know, the ones built before your "split".

Giza Necropolis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No, I do not remember dating for certain any pyramids. I suggest that the big ones would have been easier to build pre present state!

By the way, from your link we see this!


" The workers' town discovered appears to date to the middle 4th dynasty (2520–2472 BC), after the accepted time of Khufu and completion of the Great Pyramid."


Wow.

 

[dad]

Silly dad, that's not how you do science. You need to do trend lines. When you do that, and you define 3 and 4 as wild shots, it is clear that the decline of age is a linear function and man only had 3 monts to live after just 4 more generations. Then, we died before we were even born.

Silly dad.

Whoah! No. That is only if you lump them all together. The lifespans changed so fast that obviously something drastic happened. Now if you want to get fancy, we can look at when the Split happened, and Babel, and then merge the pre flood and pre split life spans in with the post split people! Then the issue becomes how long after this nature change did they live.

We do not know when in Peleg's lifetime that the change happened, or if it was over some time. I assume it was early. However, we could, for the sake of argument and ease, use Dodwell's date as the split. If I recall, that would put us somewhere around the time when Peleg was 100 years old. Now, the few people born right after the flood on the list, (who lived around 450 years) would have seen Peleg born 101 years after the flood, and then we add another 100 or so to get to the year that the data led Dodwell to conclude was the big year of change. That is about 200 years total after the flood. Now if we look at those born before the Split, we see that those who lived the 450 years only lived about 250 AFTER the split!! That is about average or a little more than average for a post Split lifespan!!!!!!


Even if we look at the pre flood people like Shem and Noah, we see that they only lived a total of 450 or 500 years after the flood! There again, that would mean even the pre flood people only lived a maximum of about 300 years after the Split! So they had a longer life in this present state, than the people born after the Split by only 10 to 60 years!

Of course we do not know the exact time of the change, so there is some interpretive leeway.

 

[dad]

This is pretty good, dad.

Now they can actually get a visual on what you mean by the split.

Thanks.


If they like visuals, this might help also, for putting geology, and the fossil record into perspective..

 

[lasthero]

What about tumbling asteroids? Ice cores? Varve layers?

 

[Loudmouth]

False. The only record we have of that far back is Scripture.

Please provide evidence that the record is accurate.

Remember a state change would render ALL your dating attempts null and void!

Sorry, but fantasies do not void anything.

 

[dad]

What about tumbling asteroids? Ice cores? Varve layers?

What about them? The rapid layering possible in the former state, coupled with, in some cases, the different consistency of what is now rock, may have allowed the uplifting to pile up certain layers easily allow for varves. Stuff from space many propose would be partially a result of the flood year. I might add that the state change would have caused a lot of movement of mass in space, therefore debris etc as well! Piece of cake.