Strong Evidence for the Peleg state change

[Mr Strawberry]

Nevermind that some people on here who can hardly spell tell us we should be ashamed for not being omniscient at evolution.

That door doesn't swing that way, does it?

Or nevermind that geologists are here shoving SN1987A down our throats; just don't mention a scientist explaining the Joshua passage, if he's "not qualified in that area."

Right?

You are actually correct. The door doesn't really swing both ways. When you learn about evolution or geology, or some other area of science, the end result is that you will actually know something useful, you will be better informed about the world than you were before. But if you read Morris you are just wasting your time on some poor saps barmy ideas about the bible which are of no use to anyone. You are no better off than when you started. It's not a level playing field.

 

[AV1611VET]

You are actually correct. The door doesn't really swing both ways. When you learn about evolution or geology, or some other area of science, the end result is that you will actually know something useful, you will be better informed about the world than you were before. But if you read Morris you are just wasting your time on some poor saps barmy ideas about the bible which are of no use to anyone. You are no better off than when you started. It's not a level playing field.

At least he can invoke general relativity (or is it specific ... whatever) to explain the sun and moon standing still.

Instead of turning his back on his own science and claiming the Jews didn't know what they were talking about.

And as for me, you know full-well what I claim:

Eyes barn ignit, eyes die ignit.

 

[Heissonear]

So either way we're wrong ... right?

And for the record, you don't have a Defender's Study Bible, do you?

The footnotes in it were written by [the late] Henry M. Morris, a respected scientist; but in the almost eight years I've been here, whenever I post one of his footnotes, the scientists here shoot the messenger, rather than address the message.

He does an excellent job explaining the Joshua passage about the sun and moon standing still, and an equally impressive job with the ringstraked cattle in Genesis; yet the scientists here harp on he having been a hydraulic engineer, rather than address what he said.

Then they wonder why we don't respect them, when all they do is manufacture Catch 22 scenarios for God and His Word, while hiding behind a No True Scotsman Principle themselves.

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Well said!


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[AV1611VET]

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Well said!


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Thank you, brother!

And a very HAPPY NEW YEAR to you and yours!

 

[Atheos canadensis]

So either way we're wrong ... right?

And for the record, you don't have a Defender's Study Bible, do you?

The footnotes in it were written by [the late] Henry M. Morris, a respected scientist; but in the almost eight years I've been here, whenever I post one of his footnotes, the scientists here shoot the messenger, rather than address the message.

He does an excellent job explaining the Joshua passage about the sun and moon standing still, and an equally impressive job with the ringstraked cattle in Genesis; yet the scientists here harp on he having been a hydraulic engineer, rather than address what he said.

Then they wonder why we don't respect them, when all they do is manufacture Catch 22 scenarios for God and His Word, while hiding behind a No True Scotsman Principle themselves.

Oh poor little you. Yes, when the two strategies are to attempt to prove physical impossibilities are not physically impossible or to prove that the laws of physics used to be different, then you are wrong either way.

I can't speak to Morris' arguments about the Bible having never read them, but when it comes to his arguments about evolution he is very rightly criticized for not being qualified to speak on the topic with the authority he claimed. It would be like me trying to convince a rabbi that his understanding of Judaism was flawed based on my minor familiarity with the topic after having read the OT.

 

[dad]

So there is an entire thread devoted to this nonsense. Interesting.

Since you got here, maybe.

Anyway, I would like to point out both that Dodwell's hypothesis involves an impact event, not a mysterious, unverifiable, undocumented alteration in the laws of physics and that even AiG doesn't think creationists should give it credence.

Dodwell coincidentally arrived at the date for the split although he thought it was the flood date, by using points of data for ancient sites.

The thrust of your link is questioning the large physical earth tilt or whatever Dodwell thought caused the differences. That article does not and can not address an actual nature change.

Carry on with your delusion, Dad. I'll give you this though: Most creationists strive in vain to prove that their belief does not violate the laws of physics whereas you have embraced the fact that such beliefs do indeed violate the laws of physics.

Bingo.

You have just taken the rather peculiar step of trying to prove the laws of physics used to be different instead of reconsidering your beliefs.

let heaven and earth pass away, God is true. But since science has only believed in a same state past rather than knowing one existed, or being able in any way to prove it, we have only a clash of beliefs.

Nothing else you can say on the matter.

 

[dad]

And this post is proof that you do not understand science and you do not understand what I have been saying. My point seems very clear to everyone else in this thread. You are the only one who finds it difficult to grasp.

Great. so you blather on.

 

[SLP]

Here is a graph showing the people that were born after the flood. The pattern that emerges is stark and clear. The lifespans of all those born after the split,(or change in nature) are amazingly shorter!!

All I can say is...

 

[Aman777]

Originally Posted by dad

Here is a graph showing the people that were born after the flood. The pattern that emerges is stark and clear. The lifespans of all those born after the split,(or change in nature) are amazingly shorter!!

Dear Dad, The Human lifespan was shortened because Human blood was contaminated when the sons of God married Adam's descendants, and NOT from some split in the Earth. Here is the Scriptural evidence:

Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men (Adam) began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men (Adam) that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man,(Adam) for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

This happened on the Earth of Adam, BEFORE Noah came to this Earth, which you falsely teach was split physically at the time of Peleg. Will you continue to try to convince us that our lifespans were shortened at the time of Peleg, or will you bow to God's Truth? God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman


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[Delphiki]

And as for me, you know full-well what I claim:

Eyes barn ignit, eyes die ignit.

Then why are you even here?

 

[Aman777]

Dear Dad, I just noticed that the following REFUTES your false idea that Angels are the sons of God.

Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men (Adam) began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,2 That the sons of God (prehistoric people) saw the daughters of men (Adam) that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man,(Adam) for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Did you see it? The LORD tells us that man "also is flesh", like the sons of God (prehistoric people). The ONLY way for one to believe that the sons of God are Angels is to show that Angels, like fallen man, are made of FLESH. Angels are not made of FLESH, but are ministering SPIRITS:

Hbr 1:13 But to which of the angels said He at any time, Sit on My right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Hbr 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Your idea that Angels are the flesh and blood sons of God is refuted Scripturally. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[dad]

The Human lifespan was shortened because Human blood was contaminated

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You can guess all day as to why, that doesn't matter that much. However, you seem to be suggesting that if we 'uncontaminate' a person's blood they will live for 1000 years! Good luck with that.


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[dad]

Aman-- Dear Dad, I just noticed that the following REFUTES your false idea that Angels are the sons of God.

Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men (Adam) began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,2 That the sons of God (prehistoric people) saw the daughters of men (Adam) that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man,(Adam) for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Did you see it? The LORD tells us that man "also is flesh", like the sons of God (prehistoric people). The ONLY way for one to believe that the sons of God are Angels is to show that Angels, like fallen man, are made of FLESH. Angels are not made of FLESH, but are ministering SPIRITS:

You have a thread for your man from ape beastiality claims elsewhere.

 

[dad]

All I can say is...

Personal incredulity.

 

[Aman777]

Aman-- Dear Dad, I just noticed that the following REFUTES your false idea that Angels are the sons of God.

Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men (Adam) began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,2 That the sons of God (prehistoric people) saw the daughters of men (Adam) that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man,(Adam) for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Did you see it? The LORD tells us that man "also is flesh", like the sons of God (prehistoric people). The ONLY way for one to believe that the sons of God are Angels is to show that Angels, like fallen man, are made of FLESH. Angels are not made of FLESH, but are ministering SPIRITS:

http://www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Hbr&c=1&t=KJV#vrsn/13http://www.blbclassic.org/Bible.cfm?b=Hbr&c=1&t=KJV#dict/13

Hbr 1:13 But to which of the angels said He at any time, Sit on My right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Hbr 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Your idea that Angels are the flesh and blood sons of God is refuted Scripturally. God Bless you.

You have a thread for your man from ape beastiality claims elsewhere.

Dear Dad, Is that what you say when you are refuted Scripturally? That is terribly misleading to those Christians who still don't know that you make it up as you go. You STILL don't understand that your persistent Claim that the sons of God are Angels is completely WRONG. Do you?

I just wanted to establish that what the Bible actually says makes NO difference to you. That way, in the Future, when you tell others that the sons of God are Angels, I will post this message again in order to keep you from misleading others with your False Religious views. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Aman777]

Originally Posted by dad

Here is a graph showing the people that were born after the flood. The pattern that emerges is stark and clear. The lifespans of all those born after the split,(or change in nature) are amazingly shorter!!

Dear Dad, The Human lifespan was shortened because Human blood was contaminated when the sons of God married Adam's descendants, and NOT from some split in the Earth. Here is the Scriptural evidence:

Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men (Adam) began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men (Adam) that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man,(Adam) for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

This happened on the Earth of Adam, BEFORE Noah came to this Earth, which you falsely teach was split physically at the time of Peleg. Will you continue to try to convince us that our lifespans were shortened at the time of Peleg, or will you bow to God's Truth? God Bless you.
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You can guess all day as to why, that doesn't matter that much. However, you seem to be suggesting that if we 'uncontaminate' a person's blood they will live for 1000 years! Good luck with that.

Dear Dad, You are totally confused. I am NOT guessing but showing you WHY the LORD shortened Human lifespans long BEFORE Peleg was even BORN. This completely refutes your false notion that the earth was divided or "split (or change of Nature)" as you posted, which has NOTHING to do with Human lifespans. Does it?

I predict that you will continue to post your Religious misunderstanding so I will keep this post in case you do. All you have to do is support your views with God's Holy Word. Otherwise, some Christians, like Heiss, might start to actually believe you. God Bless you, and try to do better.

In Love,
Aman

 

[dad]

Did you see it? The LORD tells us that man "also is flesh",

What did you think man was....noodles?

like the sons of God (prehistoric people). The ONLY way for one to believe that the sons of God are Angels is to show that Angels, like fallen man, are made of FLESH.

Did anyone ask you for an opinion on what angels are or are not here? That relates to the topic...how?

Angels are not made of FLESH, but are ministering SPIRITS:

Wow. really? Gee we thought angels were what, bugs? Obviously they are spirits.

Your idea that Angels are the flesh and blood sons of God is refuted Scripturally. God Bless you.

Don't invent claims others supposedly made.


You think men, at least some men came from apes, or the same ancestor, right?

 

[dad]

Dear Dad, You are totally confused. I am NOT guessing but showing you WHY the LORD shortened Human lifespans ...

Yeah, right.

 

[Aman777]

Originally Posted by Aman777

Did you see it? The LORD tells us that man "also is flesh",
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What did you think man was....noodles?

Dear Dad, NO, but you have posted that the sons of God were Angels. The LORD refutes you by showing that the sons of God and men (Adam's descendants) are FLESH, and NOT Angels which are Spirits.

like the sons of God (prehistoric people). The ONLY way for one to believe that the sons of God are Angels is to show that Angels, like fallen man, are made of FLESH.
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Did anyone ask you for an opinion on what angels are or are not here? That relates to the topic...how?

It shows that your views are not Scriptural. According to you, Humans lost most of our lifespan at the time of Peleg, when the Earth was divided. I am showing you that the time when men lost most of our lifespan was long BEFORE Peleg was even born...and...your idea that Angels are FLESH is ridiculous Scripturally.

Angels are not made of FLESH, but are ministering SPIRITS:

Wow. really? Gee we thought angels were what, bugs? Obviously they are spirits.

You have posted that Angels produced offspring with Humans, but Angels are NOT flesh are they? Therefore, they cannot produce children with Humans who are also Flesh. Don't believe me? Then post the Scripture which supports your UnScriptural thinking.

Your idea that Angels are the flesh and blood sons of God is refuted Scripturally. God Bless you.

Don't invent claims others supposedly made.

I haven't. Would you like me to go back and find your posts where you claim fallen Angels are the sons of God?

You think men, at least some men came from apes, or the same ancestor, right?

No. Men (Adam's descendants) and the sons of God (prehistoric people) produced today's Humans, which is clear IF you could understand Scripture, which you obviously cannot. All you can do is mock God's Holy Word because it doesn't fit with your religious "beliefs". God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[4Pillars]

Scriptural evidence is NOT enough for some Religionists
Originally Posted by dad

Here is a graph showing the people that were born after the flood. The pattern that emerges is stark and clear. The lifespans of all those born after the split,(or change in nature) are amazingly shorter!! [/quote]

Dear Dad, The Human lifespan was shortened because Human blood was contaminated when the sons of God married Adam's descendants, and NOT from some split in the Earth. Here is the Scriptural evidence:

Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men (Adam) began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men (Adam) that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man,(Adam) for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

This happened on the Earth of Adam, BEFORE Noah came to this Earth, which you falsely teach was split physically at the time of Peleg. Will you continue to try to convince us that our lifespans were shortened at the time of Peleg, or will you bow to God's Truth? God Bless you.

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Originally Posted by dad

You can guess all day as to why, that doesn't matter that much. However, you seem to be suggesting that if we 'uncontaminate' a person's blood they will live for 1000 years! Good luck with that. [/quote]
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Dear Dad, You are totally confused. I am NOT guessing but showing you WHY the LORD shortened Human lifespans long BEFORE Peleg was even BORN. This completely refutes your false notion that the earth was divided or "split (or change of Nature)" as you posted, which has NOTHING to do with Human lifespans. Does it?

I predict that you will continue to post your Religious misunderstanding so I will keep this post in case you do. All you have to do is support your views with God's Holy Word. Otherwise, some Christians, like Heiss, might start to actually believe you. God Bless you, and try to do better.

In Love,
Aman

Dear Aman,

Please don't expect much rebuttal from the old grand dad using the Scripture. I consider him to be almost biblically illiterate.... since he could not comprehend what he's reading nor understand what is written in the Scripture, spiritually.... contrary to his idiotic religious stand.

So sad, isn't it?

God bless