Strong delusion

[shturt678]

"Temple" includes all the courts; but "Sanctuary," the one building that contained the Holy and the Holy of Holies WHERE GOD IS PRESENT.

Running with the majority and secure in the crowd isn't always correct, ie, "Sanctuary."

Just ol' old Jack trying to remove what it thinks that it really is, what it only pretends to be from the equation.

 

[Douggg]

the same writer, Paul, aready told us 3 or 4 times, that we r the temple of God

Hi Zeke, Jesus referred to the temple in both senses. The literal stone temple and the temple of the body, which he spoke of his temple his body.

That didn't negate the prophecy Jesus made of not one stone being left standing regarding the literal stone temple.

In similitude, Paul's statements regarding our bodies being temples, it does not negate the prophecy regarding the literal stone temple. It is that literal stone temple which will be rebuilt, that the Antichrist enters into.


Doug

 

[shturt678]

Hi Zeke, Jesus referred to the temple in both senses. The literal stone temple and the temple of the body, which he spoke of his temple his body.

That didn't negate the prophecy Jesus made of not one stone being left standing regarding the literal stone temple.

In similitude, Paul's statements regarding our bodies being temples, it does not negate the prophecy regarding the literal stone temple. It is that literal stone temple which will be rebuilt, that the Antichrist enters into.


Doug

Absolutely, ie, the stone temple of our hearts today (IIThess.2:4, 10b), ie, "Sanctuary."

Just ol' old sponge Jack

 

[Douggg]

Absolutely, ie, the stone temple of our hearts today (IIThess.2:4, 10b), ie, "Sanctuary."

Just ol' old sponge Jack

Jack, Jesus wasn't talking about the stone temple of our hearts, which one stone would not be left standing, but the literal stone temple of his day. Can't change history, Jack.


Doug

 

[shturt678]

Jack, Jesus wasn't talking about the stone temple of our hearts, which one stone would not be left standing, but the literal stone temple of his day. Can't change history, Jack.


Doug

Probably same as me, ie, they threw me out of grade school for fighting, to a big grade school where the boys were tough and big. I backed off.

Jn.2:19, let's you and I make a local bank run with this rendition: "Destroy this sanctuary,.." They thought that Jesus was speaking of the 'stone' temple, but we know better don't we my friend. Sanctuary proper Doug. Distinct from ieron which included the entire 'stone' Temple area with its various extensive courts and structures.

Just ol' old agape those Hawaiian 'stone' fish, ie, careful poisonous spines.

 

[Douggg]

Probably same as me, ie, they threw me out of grade school for fighting, to a big grade school where the boys were tough and big. I backed off.

Jn.2:19, let's you and I make a local bank run with this rendition: "Destroy this sanctuary,.." They thought that Jesus was speaking of the 'stone' temple, but we know better don't we my friend. Sanctuary proper Doug. Distinct from ieron which included the entire 'stone' Temple area with its various extensive courts and structures.

Just ol' old agape those Hawaiian 'stone' fish, ie, careful poisonous spines.

Sanctuary? What are you trying to argue against yourself, Jack?

The temple of God would include the sanctuary. That would be where the seat of God is, His Presence in first temple days.

The prophecy in 2thess2:4 is that the man of sin going into the temple of God, sits, showing he is God. Where is he going to sit to show that he is God, except in the intermost sanctuary, a place where no man is allowed to enter but once a year by the high priest, and certainly not to sit there - because that represents God's throne.

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Jack, do you believe that the king of Tyrus in Ezekiel 28:12-17, is talking about Satan.....

12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord God; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

If so, then why can't you believe that in the same Ezekiel 28, the first part is talking about the man of sin Antichrist going into the temple, sitting, claiming to be God? Which God will have him killed for the act. Don't you see the connection.

The Antichrist is called the man of sin, son of perdition in 2thess4 because he will temporarily, like Judas son of perdition, be entered into by Satan, to carry out an act of betraying his land and his people, by claiming to be God.

That's why Ezekiel 28 carry's both the Antichrist and Satan in it's contents.

28 The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord God; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:
3 Behold, thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee:
4 With thy wisdom and with thine understanding thou hast gotten thee riches, and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures:
5 By thy great wisdom and by thy traffick hast thou increased thy riches, and thine heart is lifted up because of thy riches:
6 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Because thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God;
7 Behold, therefore I will bring strangers upon thee, the terrible of the nations: and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of thy wisdom, and they shall defile thy brightness.
8 They shall bring thee down to the pit, and thou shalt die the deaths of them that are slain in the midst of the seas.
9 Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee.
10 Thou shalt die the deaths of the uncircumcised by the hand of strangers: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord God.

That he will die like the uncircumcised is that he is a Jew. It is a put down. God is disowning him. God is so disdained over it, that the Antichrist by selling out to Satan, that even though God has him killed, God doesn't let him remain in the grave....because by selling out to Satan, he destroys his land and his people.

Isaiah 14:18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.
19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

 

[Time Watcher]

Isaiah speaks of Satan

And this one will not be burried with the Muslims at Armageddon .... he will be sent to the abyss

.... and his worshipers will take the wrap

He will leave them to the birds and the lake of fire

And it will be at the next human rebellion that he instigates 1000 years later where he will be destroyed forever

 

[Douggg]

Isaiah speaks of Satan

And where in Ezekiel 28:12-17, Satan is cast from where? to where?
I don't read about Isaiah in hell verses in Ezekiel 28:12-17 regarding Satan.

Ezekiel 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord God; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

 

[shturt678]

Sanctuary? What are you trying to argue against yourself, Jack?

The temple of God would include the sanctuary. That would be where the seat of God is, His Presence in first temple days.

Great, ie, when the context + grammar = "include the sanctuary," why render "temple" when "Sanctuary" is the writers intent?

The prophecy in 2thess2:4 is that the man of sin going into the temple of God, sits, showing he is God. Where is he going to sit to show that he is God, except in the intermost sanctuary, a place where no man is allowed to enter but once a year by the high priest, and certainly not to sit there - because that represents God's throne.

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Jack, do you believe that the king of Tyrus in Ezekiel 28:12-17, is talking about Satan.....


If so, then why can't you believe that in the same Ezekiel 28, the first part is talking about the man of sin Antichrist going into the temple, sitting, claiming to be God? Which God will have him killed for the act. Don't you see the connection.

The Antichrist is called the man of sin, son of perdition in 2thess4 because he will temporarily, like Judas son of perdition, be entered into by Satan, to carry out an act of betraying his land and his people, by claiming to be God.

That's why Ezekiel 28 carry's both the Antichrist and Satan in it's contents.
That he will die like the uncircumcised is that he is a Jew. It is a put down. God is disowning him. God is so disdained over it, that the Antichrist by selling out to Satan, that even though God has him killed, God doesn't let him remain in the grave....because by selling out to Satan, he destroys his land and his people.

We are on opposite sides of the galaxy hence going to be impossible to reconcile the former, ie, except possibly "Sanctuary"?

Thank you again for all your efforts.

Just ol' old Jack

 

[Douggg]

We are on opposite sides of the galaxy hence going to be impossible to reconcile the former, ie, except possibly "Sanctuary"?

Thank you again for all your efforts.

Just ol' old Jack

That was easy. Saves me a lot of frustration.


Doug

 

[shturt678]

That was easy. Saves me a lot of frustration.


Doug

Most could care less and you went the mile with me. I couldn't ask for anything more. We'll still bump into each other, ie, giving our views.

Just ol' old thankful Jack

 

[dfw69]

the same writer, Paul, aready told us 3 or 4 times, that we r the temple of God

now u want me to believe that Paul, the same write,
used the same term temple of God to refer to a future building?

Yes all the more reason to not believe that when a man sits in the future temple don't bye it.... Paul is a Jew and knew that a man would someday sit in the future temple... When the temple is built his words in thes will witness to future generations... You see no temple yet... So you assume he's speaking of the only temple you know of.... Yet when the temple is built then people of that generation will understand that he is referring to that temple

Satan will be cast here, defacto, and pretend to be Jesus returned.
he will set up "his" kingdom.

if u(anyone) believe his lies abut being Jesus,
then he sits in you (the temple of God), claiming to be God, showing that he is God

I don't see it that way .I believe a messiah comes and is received by Jews because he will seem to fulfill messianic prophecies... Then many Jews from around the world will Aliyah to Israel. And 2 kingdoms form. North and south kingdoms and Israel will enlarge her borders. The temple of ezek is built... Babylon will be built... And this Israel king and messiah will die and his children will reign by succession. At this time 10 kingdoms arise and a religion from Babylon rules their 10 kingdoms....this false era last a short space.....and there is a false peace ...Then the final antichrist comes and will disperse Israel one last time.....

 

[n2thelight]

'The Antichrist reveals himself as the Antichrist by this pagan act of seating himself in the true God's own sanctuary, ie, Satan is in hell awaiting to be loosed, or is he personally loosed already?

Just a side note. We need to forget about the poor "Jews," ie, God destroyed them as a nation long ago. They either trust in the promise now, becoming Jewish Christians, or will be getting very warm for them forever.

just ol' old Jack trying to stay forever

satan will not reveal himself,Christ reveals him at His coming,those who do not have the seal of God will believe the lie,(strong delussion)until Christ returns....

On that side note,we can't and should not forget about Judah,God didn't,He brought them back home,(parable of the fig tree)the problem lies in those that came with them(the bad figs)ie,those that call themselves Jew's,but are not.....

 

[Bible2]

zeke37 said in post 129:

even tho he says that God does not dwell in man made buildings?

Acts 7:48-50 and Acts 17:24 refer back to the principle of Isaiah 66:1-2a, which was true even at the time of Solomon's temple (2 Chronicles 2:6). It means that the Creator God YHWH is too big to dwell only in temples made with hands. For it's not contradicting the fact that God did dwell in Solomon's temple (1 Kings 8:11) and then in the 2nd temple (Matthew 23:21). And so nothing requires that he won't also dwell in the 3rd temple which will be built during the future tribulation (Revelation 11:1-2, Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31,36; 2 Thessalonians 2:4), and then in the 4th temple, which will be built during the future millennium (Zechariah 14:20-21, Zechariah 6:12-13).

zeke37 said in post 129:

Satan will be cast here, defacto, and pretend to be Jesus returned.

When Satan (Lucifer, the dragon) is cast down to the earth permanently at the midpoint of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 (Revelation 12:9,12), he won't claim to be "Jesus" Christ, just as the separate Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast, the man of sin: 2 Thessalonians 2:3b-4,9, Revelation 13:4-18) won't claim that Lucifer is "Jesus" Christ. For "anti"-Christ means someone who denies that Jesus is the Christ (1 John 2:22).

Satan (the dragon, Revelation 12:9) isn't the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast), but the one who will empower the Antichrist (Revelation 13:4; 2 Thessalonians 2:9) and who will be worshiped along with the Antichrist (Revelation 13:4). The Antichrist will be cast into the lake of fire over 1,000 years before Satan is cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 19:20 to 20:10). The Antichrist and Satan are shown to be separate persons also in Revelation 16:13. But Satan could spiritually enter the man who is the Antichrist, just as Satan spiritually entered Judas (Luke 22:3).

zeke37 said in post 129:

who will be deceived/seduced/take the mark of the beast?

The "mark of the beast" (Revelation 13:16-17, Revelation 16:2) will be a literal, physical mark which will be visible to people, so they can easily tell (in every situation, even one without electricity) whether or not someone should be permitted to buy or sell (Revelation 13:17). It will be visible also because the original Greek of Revelation 13:16 shows that the mark will be placed only "on" (epi), not inside, people's right hands or foreheads. Also, it will be placed on people probably by scarification. For in Revelation 13:16, one of the definitions of the original Greek word (charagma, G5480) translated as the "mark" is "a scratch or etching" (Strong's Greek Dictionary), and scarification is the scratching or etching (i.e. the cutting) of the skin to leave a permanent mark. The reason people will be given the mark in Revelation 13:16, in the context of what had been shown just previously in Revelation 13:4,8,15, will be to serve as a visible indicator to other people that they're loyal worshippers of Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9) and of the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) and his image (Revelation 13:4,8,15), just as some Luciferians today put a mark on themselves by scarification.

The mark will consist of only the Antichrist's name "or" some representation of the gematrial number of his name (666) (Revelation 13:17-18), meaning that the mark will be the Antichrist's name for some people and a representation of the gematrial number of his name for other people. And the mark will be placed only on the right hand (probably on the palm) "or" on the forehead (Revelation 13:16), meaning that it will be placed on the right hand of some people and on the forehead of other people.

Those who refuse to receive the Antichrist's mark won't be allowed to buy or sell anything (Revelation 13:17), and they will be executed by being beheaded if they refuse to worship the Antichrist and his image (Revelation 13:15, Revelation 20:4). Christians must be willing to suffer this fate rather than agree to receive the Antichrist's mark or worship him or his image, for those who agree to do those things (even if they're Christians) will suffer God's wrath in fire and brimstone forever (Revelation 14:9-13), whereas those Christians who refuse to do those things, even though they will be beheaded, will subsequently be physically resurrected into immortality (along with the rest of the obedient church of all times) at Jesus' 2nd coming (Revelation 20:4-6; 1 Corinthians 15:21-23,52-58). And even before their resurrection, at the moment of their death, their still-conscious souls will be brought into the presence of Jesus in heaven (cf. 2 Corinthians 5:8, Philippians 1:21,23, Revelation 6:9-10, Luke 23:43,46).

In the future, when the world begins to worship the Antichrist as God (Revelation 13:8; 2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36), some people could gladly be willing to have his name placed by scarification on their right palm, just as lovers in the past were sometimes known to have their loved ones' initials placed by scarification on their palm (cf. also Isaiah 49:16, Jeremiah 48:37, Leviticus 19:28, Leviticus 21:5). Other of the Antichrist's worshippers could gladly be willing to have his name placed by scarification on their forehead, thinking (mistakenly) that they're fulfilling the Christian idea of Revelation 22:4, which refers to the future point in time when Jesus will put God's name visibly on the forehead of obedient Christians (Revelation 3:12). The Antichrist's miracle-working False Prophet, who will be the one to cause everyone to be marked with the Antichrist's mark (Revelation 13:16-18), could even convince people that he (the False Prophet) is Jesus returned (but he won't say that he's the Christ, for he and the Antichrist will deny that Jesus is the Christ, and will deny that Christ is in the flesh: 1 John 2:22; 2 John 1:7).

Instead of having the Antichrist's name engraved on their right hand or forehead, some of his worshippers will have the gematrial number of his name (666) (Revelation 13:17c-18) engraved on their right hand or forehead. But because some people could refuse to have "666" placed on their body, in order to make a mark of 666 acceptable to all people, it could be disguised to look like something else in those cases where people demand something other than "666". For example, it could be disguised in some cases to look like "777", or "111", or "WWW", or "VVV", or "|| || ||", or "FFF". For the 6th letter of the ancient Hebrew alphabet (Vav) represents the number 6, but it looks like a "7", or a "1", and it's transliterated into English as either a "W" or a "V". Also, two thin vertical lines "||" represent the number 6 on many UPC codes. And the letter "F" has a numerical value of 6 in English gematria.

In an awful coincidence (or maybe it's not just a coincidence), "FFF" also stands for an extremely powerful type of nuclear bomb: Fission-Fusion-Fission. Could this be the type of bomb which the 10 kings of the Antichrist's empire will employ to burn up the cities of the world at the end of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 (Revelation 17:12,16,17a, Revelation 16:19, Revelation 19:2,11)?

The "WWW" which has been placed on many web addresses, and the "|| || ||" which has been placed across many UPC codes on products (i.e. they have a "||" at the beginning, middle, and end of their UPC codes), are harbingers of when Lucifer will give the Antichrist ownership of everything on the earth (Revelation 13:2b; cf. Luke 4:7), and of the Antichrist placing his "brand" on everything, like a rancher places his "brand" on all his cattle. For both "WWW" and "|| || ||" are disguised representations of the gematrial number of the Antichrist's name: 666 (Revelation 13:17c-18). But Revelation 13:16 isn't fulfilled by some web addresses having "WWW", nor by some products having "|| || ||" on their UPC codes, for Revelation 13:16 refers only to when people will be given the Antichrist's mark, on either their right hand or forehead.

Those assigned to have the mark placed on their forehead (instead of on their right hand) (Revelation 13:16) could be an elite, illumined, cognoscenti class of Gnostic Luciferians who alone will have been given knowledge of the ultimate secrets of the Antichrist's Gnostic Luciferianism. The Antichrist will be both a Luciferian, a worshipper of Lucifer/Satan the dragon (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9), and a Gnostic, someone who denies that Christ is in the flesh (1 John 4:3), and forbids marriage and the eating of meat (1 Timothy 4:1-3). The cream of his cognoscenti could be a faux 144,000, consisting of male virgins (as a counterfeit of Revelation 14:4) who have never eaten meat. If they receive on their forehead the mark of the Antichrist's name (instead of a representation of the number of his name) (Revelation 13:17), this will be as a counterfeit of YHWH's 144,000 in Revelation 14:1. But the Antichrist won't pretend that he's YHWH, just as he won't pretend that he's Christ. Instead, as a Gnostic, he will utterly revile YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36). And his Gnostic denial that Christ is in the flesh (1 John 4:3) will disqualify him (under his mistaken Gnostic doctrine) from being the Christ.

 

[Bible2]

Douggg said in post 135:

Jack, do you believe that the king of Tyrus in Ezekiel 28:12-17, is talking about Satan.....

That's possible.

For if Ezekiel 28:2 has application to future events, because of its similarity to the never-fulfilled 2 Thessalonians 2:4, then the prince of Tyre could be the future human ruler commonly called the Antichrist (Daniel 11:36, Revelation 13:5-18). And if that's the case, then the king of Tyre (Ezekiel 28:12) could be Lucifer/Satan (the dragon), who will empower the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9; 2 Thessalonians 2:9). Lucifer, before his fall and man's fall, could have been placed as a covering cherub over Eden (Ezekiel 28:13-15).

There's a curious correlation between the prince and the king of Tyre on the one hand (Ezekiel 28), and the use of the name Hiram in the mystical teachings of a worldwide secret society which teaches Gnostic Luciferianism at its highest degree of initiation. For Hiram was the name of the human king of Tyre at the time of the building of King Solomon's temple (1 Kings 5). Also, Hiram was the name of another person from Tyre, the human master workman who helped Solomon build the temple (1 Kings 7:13-14). If the king and the prince of Tyre addressed in Ezekiel 28 are Lucifer and the Antichrist, then the name Hiram would be a perfect code name (not the actual name) for both of them, a name by which their identity within the Gnostic Luciferian teachings of the worldwide secret society could be kept secret from all but its highest-level initiates. Just as the human workman named Hiram built a temple to God in which all the world was to worship (1 Kings 8:41-43), so the Antichrist will bring the world into the worship of Lucifer (Revelation 13:4), when the Antichrist gains power over the earth (Revelation 13:7).

The Antichrist's future Luciferian rule over the earth could be pictured by the most common, publicly known symbol for the worldwide secret society, in which a drafting/measuring compass, an instrument shaped like the two legs of an "A" (as in "Antichrist"), is sometimes shown standing on top of a globe of the earth. And beneath, as in support of the "A" is a drafting/measuring square, an instrument shaped like an "L" (as in "Lucifer"). Also, found within the "L" is the letter "G", which could ultimately stand for the (false) "Gnosis" (knowledge) of Gnosticism (cf. the original Greek of 1 Timothy 6:20b), which the secret society (mistakenly) thinks can be found in Lucifer. The Antichrist will teach the ancient Gnostic lie that YHWH is evil (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36), and the ancient Gnostic lie that Christ isn't in the flesh (1 John 4:3). The Antichrist will also deny that Jesus is the Christ (1 John 2:22).

 

[Time Watcher]

Satan is the one who stand's behind intransigent human kings like the ancient king of Tyre .... no doubt about this

And it is this same "gog" who will send his beast in the human little horn and king of the north at the end of this present age [Ezekiel 38:17]

This beast in the little horn of Satan's contrivance is the same this one [2 Thessalonians 2:8-12]

 

[shturt678]

satan will not reveal himself,Christ reveals him at His coming,those who do not have the seal of God will believe the lie,(strong delussion)until Christ returns....

On that side note,we can't and should not forget about Judah,God didn't,He brought them back home,(parable of the fig tree)the problem lies in those that came with them(the bad figs)ie,those that call themselves Jew's,but are not.....

Fig Tree: "This generation" consists of the type of Jews whom Jesus contended with during this Tuesday, Matt.21:23-23:39. Jesus foretells the destruction of their nation (24:15-28); that this type of Jew will continue to the very Parousia ("1" Return).

Just ol' old Jack's opinion

 

[zeke37]

satan will not reveal himself,Christ reveals him at His coming,those who do not have the seal of God will believe the lie,(strong delussion)until Christ returns....

correct.
only the elect will know who he is when he claims to be God/Jesus

the rest, are fooled/seduced/marked.
that's the test. patience. last day.

On that side note,we can't and should not forget about Judah,God didn't,He brought them back home,(parable of the fig tree)the problem lies in those that came with them(the bad figs)ie,those that call themselves Jew's,but are not.....

true. sounds like we have/had the same teacher

 

[dfw69]

correct.
only the elect will know who he is when he claims to be God/Jesus

the rest, are fooled/seduced/marked.
that's the test. patience. last day.


true. sounds like we have/had the same teacher

Why are only 144000 allowed to know the truth and the rest allowed to be decieved? Sounds unfair

 

[shturt678]

IIThess.2:11, 12 has been occurring off and on since 70 A.D. for sure. Took me decades to understand why most don't grasp this, 99.99% of all Christians today do not know the valid one meaning of agape in IIThess.2:10, but this isn't the sin unto death, it's they couldn't care less.

Just ol' old caring Jack