Strong delusion

[Douggg]

Whole End Days involves Islam, I never even considered Islam, then I discovered their SHOCKING AGENDA, which lines up perfectly with the Bible, I'm so glad I took the time to research this.

Discover who the Real Beast is, what Country the Antichrist comes from and where mystery Babylon the Great is located, and so much more. Praise God for finally exposing Satan's entire secret Agenda.



Just search for - Armageddon News - on Youtube
. And also Joel Richardson and Walid Shoebat, praise God for the Truth!

You posted this same post in 7 threads - all at once?

Doug

 

[shturt678]

"Delusions," IIThess.2:10, the thought is that by means of all this deceit this unrighteousness palms itself off as righteousness today. As all this power, these signs and wonders are necessary, so all this deceit is necessary to make the Antichrist appear as the true exponent of Christ, rightfully sitting in the sanctuary (not "temple") of God today.

We say simply, "Because they did not receive the agape of the Truth that they be saved." Simply when one confronts the Truth and views as fallacious to insane, instantly IIThess.2:11, 12; Rev.8:7-9:21 today.

Just ol' old Jack living in the 'today' time, not in the Christian 'here and now' mind set.

 

[shturt678]

I have some ideas what 'strong delusion' is but will keep it under my hat for now.

2 Thes. 2 is a unique passage. In it, we have the Day of Christ, or 'parousia'. The gathering or rapture, known as the "the harpazo" in 1 Thes. 4:17. A falling away or rebellion, "the apostasia." And the revelation of the man of sin. You also have the workings of Satan and strong delusion. This small passage is definitely apocalyptic and has nothing to do with the church.

Nothing to do with the Church? ? ?, ie, IIThess.2:3, "first come the apostasy" An aorist active subjunctive, ie, potential subjunctive in an independent clause - aorist as action actually occurring without duration, and etc. Contextually and grammatically, nothing to do with the church?

I do agree that the apostasy does includes those not in the Church that confronted the Truth and did reject; however the fact that the apostasy will occur in the Christian Church is beyond question; it would otherwise not be an "apostasy."

Just ol' old Jack

Be aware that.............

From the word 'except' in verse 3c, to the end of verse 12, the church is not implied in any way. In fact the words "but we" in verse 13 prove that the church is not part of the apostasy or strong delusion. The word "but" is a conjunction that is added to statements to show opposition and distinction to a previous statement. It opposes persons to persons or things previously mentioned. In 2 Thes. 2 the word but in verse 13 separates the people previously mentioned between verse 3c to the end of verse 12. Christians are implied between verses 1-3b and verses 13-17. 'But we' indicates that the people mentioned between the word except in verse 3c and the end of verse 12 is the man of sin and his followers.

God bless...

 

[Time Watcher]

People are already strongly deluded today .... and ripe for Satan's mimic

The Lord simply says .... because they have refused to believe the truth about Me, I will give them the devil instead

A fair exchange

Satan's beast will be an astonishment to humans because of Satan's power to make him that way [Revelation 13:1-8] .... not only that but a powerful fallen angel in the open is capable of great causing deceptions

If you are a member of the Lord's ecclesia you will not be deceived by this one .... your name is written in His book of eternal life

If you are on this side of the Lord's "harpazo" action to keep you from the exposure

If not and you end up in the tribulation you must repent and turn to the Lord .... if not you will never get into the book of eternal life and you will be deceived by Abbadon without a doubt

 

[shturt678]

People are already strongly deluded today .... and ripe for Satan's mimic

The Lord simply says .... because they have refused to believe the truth about Me, I will give them the devil instead

A fair exchange

Satan's beast will be an astonishment to humans because of Satan's power to make him that way [Revelation 13:1-8] .... not only that but a powerful fallen angel in the open is capable of great causing deceptions

If you are a member of the Lord's ecclesia you will not be deceived by this one .... your name is written in His book of eternal life

If you are on this side of the Lord's "harpazo" action to keep you from the exposure

If not and you end up in the tribulation you must repent and turn to the Lord .... if not you will never get into the book of eternal life and you will be deceived by Abbadon without a doubt

Your also concluding IIThess.2 has nothing to do with the Christian Church?

This thread is coming out better than I thought it would.

Just ol' old Jack craving an agape for the Truth.

 

[Time Watcher]

"Your also concluding IIThess.2 has nothing to do with the Christian Church?"


It will have nothing to do you what you call the "church" jack


The Lord's ecclesia will be gathered first [2Thessalonians 2:1]

 

[shturt678]

Show me one verse or word between verse 3c and verse 12 that implies that it has anything to do with Christians or the church.

IIThess.2:3c, "the son of perdition,..." The apposition "the son of the perdition"; perdition marks him from the start, and there is only one such perdition. This is exactly what Jesus called Judas in Jn.17;12; my sub-point: he too, was an apostate in an eminent sense, ie, was one of the 'elect,' and became an apostate, ie, in the Church then out. The Antichrist is thus the antitype of Judas, ie, in the Church. My end point, cf. v. 4, "the one opposing and exalting himself against everyone called God or (every) object of worship," etc., ie, kinda religious church kinda thing.

The words "but we" prove that it differentiates from what is said about the man of sin and his followers to what is said afterwards about Christians!

You must realize that...and this is from Strong's and Thayer's Greek Lexicon.

The word "but" is a conjunction that is added to statements to show opposition and distinction to a previous statement. It opposes persons to persons or things previously mentioned.

In 2 Thes. 2:13 the words "But we" make a distinction between those who follow that man of sin, and those who do not.

I'll never understand why so many Christian's are bent on slandering (Themselves) the Church. It really is a bad thing to attribute that which is evil to the Church and that's what so many have done by misinterpreting this passage.

I can't post links yet so this will have to do for now.

shturt368 said,



What's interesting about forums is when people have trouble disproving what is said they like to inject something about THEIR "truth.'

So try to show me where the church is implied between verse 3c and verse 12. You're on!

Just ol' old Jack , btw IIThess.2:13, "de is only transitional and contextually not adversative. "Now we on our part..." no buttttts here my friend, ie, just basic Koine 101. Enjoyed your work!

 

[dfw69]

The strong delusion is god sending upon the earth a man whom will convince the world that he is god almighty.

This is punishment because the world deceived the earth several years before that the awaited messiah of the Jews has come and his new age

Deception for deception is just because the word says they reap what they sow

 

[Time Watcher]

Lone

You are on to the "lie" that will prevail .... it is the Muslim religion in the cross hairs

The ones who say God has no Son, and the Jesus did not die for your sins ..... and the ones who tout "Allah" who is an imaginary pagan "god" and cover for Satan .... and the same who have disdain and vile hatred for Israel in their midst today

Israel is not supposed to be there .... and this fact alone destroys the entire fabric of the Muslim religion

The "falling away" is of the same ones .... the transgressors of Daniel 8:23-25

There is no "church" in this setting of 2 Thessalonians 2:8-12 .... and there is a good reason

Here it is [2 Thessalonians 2:1] .... this gathering will prevent it

Today's Muslims have already fallen away from the truth demonstrated by Abraham through Issal and Jacob and have gone the way of Ishmael and Esau

.... and when Satan's mimic appears they will worship him as a "god" .... these are already conditioned for his
taking

 

[shturt678]

The strong delusion is god sending upon the earth a man whom will convince the world that he is god almighty.

This is punishment because the world deceived the earth several years before that the awaited messiah of the Jews has come and his new age

Deception for deception is just because the word says they reap what they sow

These are religious "error's working" cast down upon those that bump into the Truth, Church Christians to non-believers, ie, IIThess.2:11, 12

Just ol' old Jack. ie, agape your "strong delusion is God sending" now.

 

[dfw69]

These are religious "error's working" cast down upon those that bump into the Truth, Church Christians to non-believers, ie, IIThess.2:11, 12

Just ol' old Jack. ie, agape your "strong delusion is God sending" now.

Who is saved in your eyes bro?

I mean...finish this sentence ...

Those that are saved are the ones who ______?

 

[Time Watcher]

"noticed how the Islamic symbol on top of most mosque looks like two horns?"


You have it figured out [Revelation 13:11]

Islam is a "look alike" lamb .... a religion of peace they say

.... and yet the speaking is of the devil

And the same will hunt down and kill the infidel [those who will not submit] where ever they can find them during the coming tribulation [and those of false "Christianity" like the RCC will be some of the first]

 

[dfw69]

"noticed how the Islamic symbol on top of most mosque looks like two horns?"


You have it figured out [Revelation 13:11]

Islam is a "look alike" lamb .... a religion of peace they say

.... and yet the speaking is of the devil

And the same will hunt down and kill the infidel [those who will not submit] where ever they can find them during the coming tribulation [and those of false "Christianity" like the RCC will be some of the first]

I believe the Muslims will not fulfill the end time prophecies though a possible war will take place in the near future between Israel and Arab nations...

The final war that takes place known as Armageddon is many nations gathering and surrounding Jerusalem and not one particular Islamic nation

 

[shturt678]

Who is saved in your eyes bro?

Process of elimination, especially in today's time, we can safely eliminate unborn infants from the Cross forward as they cannot confront the agape of the Truth, at IIThess.2:10b, hence not receiving "error's working" ergo most likely in heaven.

Born infants to ol' old timers like myself that also have never confronted the, agape of the Truth, at IIThess.2:10b, hence also not receiving "error's working" ergo most likely are in heaven or going to end in heaven since the Cross.

Those few infants to ol' old timers that understand the burden of the letter, ie, IIThess.2, in Truth, ie, opens up Rev.8:7-9:21, are absolutely in the Kingdom of God "outwardly" and God's call from heaven whether in "inwardly" upon one's passing ergo may or may not be in heaven.

This leaves the majority that have confronted the actual Truth at some point, whether verbal or documentation, and didn't have the agape of that Truth hence unknowingly receiving "error's working" ergo ending in hell.

All those Christians that really don't know whether they are saved or not most likely are saved, ie, to one's accountability. Ie, today's litmus test only.

Just ol' old Jack's eyes that are not doing well + sometimers and allstimers, but from my heart this time with no sarcasm - Hopefully the older pre-1929 Lutheran works, and myself, are in error hence I would know that I'm saved also, and really am saved from God's view. However I don't think so. btw the church is measured at Rev.11:1, ie, saved for those that hear the Trumpets blasting away and do something about it, ie, espcially the 5th and 6th Trumpets.

 

[dfw69]

I just changed my avatar because I can't post pictures yet. Notice how the two horns look like crescent moons.

It's probably best to wait until Babylon is rebuilt and then we will know who mystery Babylon is...for then she will no longer hide... It's not the Muslims or Catholic Church ... If I had to guess it is probably be the Babylonian Talmud . But when Babylon is built then we will know for sure

 

[dfw69]

Process of elimination, especially in today's time, we can safely eliminate unborn infants from the Cross forward as they cannot confront the agape of the Truth, at IIThess.2:10b, hence not receiving "error's working" ergo most likely in heaven.

Born infants to ol' old timers like myself that also have never confronted the, agape of the Truth, at IIThess.2:10b, hence also not receiving "error's working" ergo most likely are in heaven or going to end in heaven since the Cross.

Those few infants to ol' old timers that understand the burden of the letter, ie, IIThess.2, in Truth, ie, opens up Rev.8:7-9:21, are absolutely in the Kingdom of God "outwardly" and God's call from heaven whether in "inwardly" upon one's passing ergo may or may not be in heaven.

This leaves the majority that have confronted the actual Truth at some point, whether verbal or documentation, and didn't have the agape of that Truth hence unknowingly receiving "error's working" ergo ending in hell.

All those Christians that really don't know whether they are saved or not most likely are saved, ie, to one's accountability. Ie, today's litmus test only.

Just ol' old Jack's eyes that are not doing well + sometimers and allstimers, but from my heart this time with no sarcasm - Hopefully the older pre-1929 Lutheran works, and myself, are in error hence I would know that I'm saved also, and really am saved from God's view. However I don't think so. btw the church is measured at Rev.11:1, ie, saved for those that hear the Trumpets blasting away and do something about it, ie, espcially the 5th and 6th Trumpets.

What is the truth?
Is having faith in Jesus enough to save one in error?
What is error working that condemns one that has faith in jesus?

 

[shturt678]

What is the truth?
Is having faith in Jesus enough to save one in error?
What is error working that condemns one that has faith in jesus?

The Truth regarding which way or ways of having faith. We're all in error, most think they have the truth, however God cannot bend the way, or ways, of producing a justifying "faith." Eg, you and I have absolutely different ways of just undergoing "rebrith" (Jn.3;5), where you and I both think we have the one valid way or ways. We will find out immediately upon passing. Eg, if one of us has the Truth on this thread and others don't have an agape of that Truth (IIThess.2:10b), condemned no matter what kind of faith they had or didn't have.

All can relax as I don't have this Truth, however maybe one of you folks have hence 'don't relax.'

Just ol' old not relaxing Jack btw the 5th and 6th Trumpets are the killer.

 

[dfw69]

The Truth regarding which way or ways of having faith. We're all in error, most think they have the truth, however God cannot bend the way, or ways, of producing a justifying "faith." Eg, you and I have absolutely different ways of just undergoing "rebrith" (Jn.3;5), where you and I both think we have the one valid way or ways. We will find out immediately upon passing. Eg, if one of us has the Truth on this thread and others don't have an agape of that Truth (IIThess.2:10b), condemned no matter what kind of faith they had or didn't have.

All can relax as I don't have this Truth, however maybe one of you folks have hence 'don't relax.'

Just ol' old not relaxing Jack btw the 5th and 6th Trumpets are the killer.

Do you believe Jesus is your savior ?
Do you believe he died for your sins?
That he traded his life for yours?
That he was gods son and he gave his status to you?
That he took the law away from condemning you?
That he only commands you obey his new comandments to love one another?
To love god and love everybody?
To judge not to condemn not?
Is Jesus your lamb sacrifice for all sin?
Is Jesus your only hope of glory and nothing else?

If all this is yours then you will go to heaven for this is the only true faith that saves

All who believe in him are saved for god gave his only begotten son and whoever believes in him is saved.

 

[Bible2]

lone survivor said in post 91:

Islam is "Babylon the Great."

Note that while Islam is included in what Revelation's symbolic "Babylon" (Revelation chapters 17-18) represents, it represents much more than just Islam. For Islam just by itself doesn't reign over the kings of the earth (Revelation 17:18). Nor is Islam the only religion under which people buy merchandise (Revelation 18:11). Nor is Islam responsible for the death of all Christian martyrs (Revelation 18:24). Nor has Islam just by itself corrupted the entire world (Revelation 18:3). Nor has Islam been continuously supported by the empires of fallen man throughout history (Revelation 17:9-10). Instead, Revelation's symbolic "Babylon" represents all of mankind's corrupt political (Revelation 17:18), economic (Revelation 18:11), and religious (Revelation 18:24) systems throughout the earth (Revelation 18:3), and throughout history (Revelation 17:9-10).

The 10 kings of the Antichrist's empire will destroy with fire what Revelation's "Babylon" represents (Revelation 17:16-17) when they destroy the cities of the earth (Revelation 16:19), probably with nukes (and probably with Fission-Fusion-Fission, "FFF", or "666", nukes, "F" representing the number six in English gematria), at the time of the 7th vial (Revelation 16:17,19), which will be the final event (Revelation 16:17) of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, right before Jesus' 2nd coming (Revelation 19:2 to 20:6, Matthew 24:29-31). They could do this under the direction of Lucifer/Satan (Isaiah 14:17,12), who could want to leave only a literal "scorched earth" for Jesus to return to.

Near the very end of the future tribulation, Lucifer (employing the ancient lies of Gnosticism) could say to the Antichrist and his 10 kings something like: "Our great battle against the evil, tyrant god YHWH is about to begin [Revelation 16:14, Revelation 19:19], a battle which we will win, and so we will be able to escape YHWH's prison house, this material universe, and return to the wholly-spiritual Pleroma [i.e. Heaven]. So let us now destroy this prison cell, this foul planet, and let us, as it were, burn up all the gewgaws which we have hung upon our cell walls. Let us burn up all our great cities, all our magnificent systems. Let us break all our chains of attachment to this vile physical realm, that we might more freely ascend back to our rightful place in the Pleroma [Isaiah 14:13-14]".

Of course this will be a lie. For at his 2nd coming, Jesus (who is YHWH: John 10:30, Zechariah 14:3-4) will completely defeat the world's armies, arrayed against YHWH (Revelation 16:14, Revelation 19:19-21). And Jesus will have Lucifer bound in the bottomless pit during the subsequent 1,000 years (Revelation 20:1-6, Isaiah 14:15). And Jesus will restore ruined parts of the earth and make them like the Garden of Eden (Ezekiel 36:35, Isaiah 51:3). And after the 1,000 years and subsequent events are over (Revelation 20:7-15), God will create a new heaven (a new first heaven, a new sky/atmosphere for the earth) and a new earth (a new surface for the earth) (Revelation 21:1). And then God will descend from the 3rd heaven in the literal city of New Jerusalem, to live with saved humanity on the new earth (Revelation 21:2-4).

 

[Bible2]

dfw69 said in post 93:

The strong delusion is god sending upon the earth a man whom will convince the world that he is god almighty.

The Antichrist will have a False Prophet who will work amazing miracles by which people will be deceived (Revelation 13:12-14, Revelation 19:20, cf. Matthew 24:24). And God will send strong delusion on unrepentant people so that they will believe "the" lie (2 Thessalonians 2:11-12; in the original Greek there's a "the" before "lie"), which could be the antichrist lie that has been around since the first century AD (2 John 1:7; 1 John 4:3; 2 Thessalonians 2:7a), and which in the future will deceive the world into worshipping both Lucifer (Satan) the dragon and the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9), the man of sin (2 Thessalonians 2:3-9), as God (2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36). The antichrist lie denies that Jesus is the Christ (1 John 2:22), and/or denies that Jesus is the human/divine Son of God (1 John 2:22b), and/or denies that Christ is in the flesh (2 John 1:7), which denial is one of the key doctrines of Gnosticism.

(See post 76)