Strange Intense Dream

[MastersPiece]

oh my heavens.. I am not at all worried about 'leading unbelievers astray' by causing them to think they have lots of time to get ready. For if this is how they think in their hearts, then they will not be "real" Christians anyway.
God looks at the heart of a man. - Any person who says they will become a Christian later so they can keep having worldly fun, or whatever ..that is not going to work for them & it is nothing but a mere EXCUSE to not hand their life over - it isn't a real reason. Their soul is destined for hell.
I am not going to go about lying to people & telling them God is coming in a few weeks or months so that they will become Christians & "be good" - that is simply just manipulation. Anything gained by manipulation is always lost later on. It is the stirring of the Lord in a person's heart to bring them to saving knowledge & grace - if they refuse that stirring from the message of the Cross they're responsible for their own soul's destiny.
The standards of the Lord & the bar have been raised - the plumbline is being drawn. Those believers who are not 100% on board (that means ALL of our soulishness in submission to the Lord) are going to be left behind. Believers are being called to not only 'believe' but are also being called to HOLINESS.. no more using the excuse of grace to keep on in sin - this includes sinful attitudes.

We believers are going to go thru half of the tribulation period before the rapture.. I have seen & heard claims that we're in the tribulation now (people have claimed to prove this from scripture for hundreds of years). We are close, but we are not in the tribulation yet. Tribulation will be in full swing when 'real' persecution comes to the Americas - We don't get a free pass out of here before we are killed, maimed & beaten for serving our beautiful Lord... Although I know many want to believe we do.

 

[WeWillSeeHimWhenHeAppears]

I am not going to go about lying to people & telling them God is coming in a few weeks or months so that they will become Christians & "be good" - that is simply just manipulation. Anything gained by manipulation is always lost later on.

The Lord has given Vulcan a dream that seems to clearly indicate a time limit. Jonah himself was given a time limit of 40 days. It was not lying or manipulation that led Jonah to preach repentance in 40 days or else. It was obedience, and it was so important that God had to literally "drag him" there to do it.

"Then Jonah began to go through the city one day’s walk; and he cried out and said, “Yet forty days and Nineveh will be overthrown.” (Jonah 3:4)

It is the stirring of the Lord in a person's heart to bring them to saving knowledge & grace - if they refuse that stirring from the message of the Cross they're responsible for their own soul's destiny.

We do agree that God draws people (John 6:44). However, this does not mean He does not use means (Jonathan Edwards writes a lot about means and has written a huge article on it, available in his "Works" writings). For example, God uses music, healing, and prophecy. In the same way, God can and does work through "time limits" (as we see in the case of Jonah).

Now God has, it would very strongly appear, told Vulcan to get busy preaching repentance and salvation and that there is a time limit associated with that. The Lord uses all these things, yes, even pressure of a time limit, and more, to carry out His will.

 

[WeWillSeeHimWhenHeAppears]

We believers are going to go thru half of the tribulation period before the rapture.. I have seen & heard claims that we're in the tribulation now (people have claimed to prove this from scripture for hundreds of years). We are close, but we are not in the tribulation yet. Tribulation will be in full swing when 'real' persecution comes to the Americas - We don't get a free pass out of here before we are killed, maimed & beaten for serving our beautiful Lord... Although I know many want to believe we do.

You are associating persecution with the end times. Actually, it is not really associated primarily with the end times, but primarily with being a follower of Christ.

As to persecution happening in North America, it is definitely happening. However, it may not and likely will not affect every person. We don't really know. However, your statement that it must occur prior to the rapture, I believe to be unbiblical. Why do I say this? Because Jesus said it would be just like the days of Noah, in which they were marrying and giving in marriage. In some cases, yes, there will be persecution and outright cataclysmic activity such as earthquakes, etc.. In other case, no, it will be "business as usual," which is the picture being painted by marrying and being given in marriage. So we really cannot be dogmatic here.

 

[MastersPiece]

Have you taken into consideration all the things that were going on in the days of Noah... such as people copulating with demons & having offspring by them (this is already happening-I work in deliverance & see the results); or demonic forces causing men to kill other men (outright violent persecution); famine in the land because the 'giants' that existed had 'consumed' all the food. All of these things are going to happen - The saints are going to be killed for adhering to their faith in Jesus Christ our saviour - it is coming to Canada, the USA..world wide.
Yes, for those who aren't Christians it will be 'business as usual' - they will be somewhat safe from persecution & many will be able to continue on as usual - the enemy isn't looking to persecute those who belong to him, he looks to persecute the followers of Jesus. Remember too that the enemy 'gradually' brings calamity to lives..it has taken centuries for the world to get to the state it is now in - the story of the frog gradually being boiled & not understanding what is going on till it's too late comes to mind.

So Yes - you are right.. it is indeed going to be like the days of Noah, just as the bible says......
Just trying to get you to think a little deeper about what the Lord says it is going to be like... there is much more to it than you are currently allowing yourself to see; we need to think outside the box, there is much more. I suggest you read the book of Enoch (a free online version can be googled). We believe the book of Enoch is one of those books Daniel spoke of, "But you, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased" Daniel 12:4 This scripture tells us that we are going to learn new things..God hasn't changed - but He has not allowed humans to know everything..Those who are open to Him & can be trusted by Him are learning & seeing truths that have been hidden by Him for ages.

Also, I encourage you to watch this testimony.. this is just one of thousands of testimonies in which the Lord is revealing what will happen in these end days in the Americas. It is riveting that everything this man saw in his dream back in the 60's is coming to pass exactly as the dream played out:
I Saw the Tribulation - Ken Peters (including prophecies) (one condensed video) - YouTube
As usual, God bless you my brother

 

[WeWillSeeHimWhenHeAppears]

Have you taken into consideration all the things that were going on in the days of Noah... such as people copulating with demons & having offspring by them (this is already happening-I work in deliverance & see the results); or demonic forces causing men to kill other men (outright violent persecution); famine in the land because the 'giants' that existed had 'consumed' all the food. All of these things are going to happen - The saints are going to be killed for adhering to their faith in Jesus Christ our saviour - it is coming to Canada, the USA..world wide.

You are basing your theology and understanding of Noah and the "sons of God" on your experience -- and I do believe experience is important -- but my opinion based on the surrounding context (particularly chapter 5 which talks about the lineage of Adam) -- is that the "sons of God" is, in fact, referring to the lineage of Adam from a positional, authoritative, standpoint. So I think "sons of God" means, essentially, "lineage of God," and specifically referring to the men in that lineage.

I'm not the only one who thinks this. Many others believe this, too, and I believe it is biblicaly much more accurate than believing that demons cohabited with humans. The Bible says that angels do not marry and are not given in marriage, meaning that they cannot cohabit with one another, much less humans. Therefore, I believe the word of God teaches otherwise than what you are stating here.

There are many people who have formed theologies based on experience. I'm all for experience. However, I believe there are better ways to frame your experience with deliverance than to suggest that it supports that demons cohabited with human beings. Do I believe in the possibility of being affected by a demon? Yes, absolutely. But I don't believe that means that you can equate that with demons cohabiting with human beings, which is what you appear to be saying, in your comments "this is already happening-I work in deliverance & see the results". I do believe you work in deliverance. That is great. I applaud you for it. I have also worked in deliverance. I know what deliverance is. I have seen the effects, and the results. But because deliverance is real, this does not equate with demons having co-habited with humans. I trust that explains where I am coming from.

Each one can make their own decision, but I do not believe the Bible actually supports that teaching. If it did, then we would have a lot of "mutants" or "potential mutants" around, and Hitler would be right in his thinking about an inferior race. I clearly don't believe there are any inferior races; we are all created in God's beautiful image, whether white, black, or any color in between. It matters not whether we are tall, short, poor, or rich, male or female, king or peasant.

We are all created in God's image. I believe the doctrine that demons cohabited with human beings mars this theology completely. Some people try to "get around that" by saying that this was the reason for the flood of Noah. But the Bible says the reason mankind was destroyed was because of sin. And, the reason mankind will come under judgment again is not because of so-called "mutant strains", but again, because of sin. Genesis 6 talks about the "men of renown". This is a pejorative term meaning "hot shots" or "big shots" of the day. Kind of like the superstars we see today. Today, the world has very much gone astray. In fact, there are many superstars the world is lusting after, and many of these speak against or teach against God, by the things they do and say. Many of them are in Hollywood and supporting a very unbiblical agenda. I see a lot of parallels between what happened in Noah's day and what is happening today. But it's not because demons are cohabiting with humans, but rather humans are flirting with sin. Yes, demons may be involved, but this is not the same thing as demons cohabiting with humans. That's very much different. It's a theology that I do not believe the Bible supports when you consider the "whole counsel of God" (the Bible as a whole). I believe we need to keep the Bible balanced. And I believe that understanding the "sons of God" and "daughters of men" as being mere humans, but denoting the authority structure (man under God, versus woman under man) is really what the Bible is talking about. It's an interesting study.

You can read more about that here:

FCET - Sons of God and Daughters of Men
FCET - Sons of God and Daughters of Men - Part 2
FCET - Sons of God and Daughters of Men - Part 3
FCET - Sons of God and Daughters of Men - Part 4

So I hope my point is clear. I really do not believe in the "demons cohabited with humans" doctrine at all. I believe a careful study of God's word will bring that out. I know you disagree with this. That's fine. You can disagree. There are other Christians who also disagree with me. But others, and many of them scholars, firmly agree with me, and I stand with them.

Thank you.

 

[danielAMx]

Strange is right !

 

[danielAMx]

But I also think it's a bit scary.

 

[GarySneakers]

Same stuff they were talking and writing about in the 70's. End times, Days of Noah, Time limit of 40 years, Which expired in 1987. WWIII. Jesus is coming. End of the World. Each new group says the same worn out thing. I find it hard to believe that a Vulcan never heard of the planet

 

[Vulcan]

I know all about it

 

[WeWillSeeHimWhenHeAppears]

Same stuff they were talking and writing about in the 70's. End times, Days of Noah, Time limit of 40 years, Which expired in 1987. WWIII. Jesus is coming. End of the World. Each new group says the same worn out thing. I find it hard to believe that a Vulcan never heard of the planet

A rather conservative voice, who is probably not as interested in dreams and visions as many people on this forum are, wrote the following:

"Do I personally believe we are living in the last days? Yes, and I am convinced that we are deep into them." (Elwood McQuaid, executive editor of Friends of Israel Gospel Ministry, Page 10, Israel My Glory magazine, March/April 2009)

This man was not even thinking about dreams and visions when he wrote that, I can assure you. He was simply looking around him and seeing all of the signs that Jesus spoke about coming true before his eyes. Now if this man -- who is both a teacher and a student of the word of God -- agrees that we are deep into the last days, then I think that we can be sure of that, as well -- especially with all of the testimony we are receiving through very convincing dreams and visions.

In light of this, it's not wise to dismiss the warnings that are being given no doubt by God through His messengers on this forum.

As we read,

"Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, and saying, “ Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation.” For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water. But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day. The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance. (2 Peter 3:3-9, NASB)

So in light of all this, I would really recommend that each person understand that even if what is being said or revealed today appears similar to what you might have been exposed to in the past, that's no reason to doubt. The Bible says we should not. So I really want to encourage those who may be inclined to do so, not to.

This forum, after all, is designed for those who believe that God is giving dreams and visions today. And if you are not a believer, what are you doing on this forum?

 

[Wingdizzle]

I think you are over thinking it, I see nothing spiritually significant about this dream. While I agree with avoiding new age occult beliefs mixed with Christianity.....USING new age occult beliefs to interpret a Christian themed dream seems kinda contradictory

Don't over think it bro, you, me, and the rest of society has no idea what is coming or what is in store for us. People have been predicting the end of times since the start of our faith. Don't get caught up in all this 2012, NWO, tin foil hat crap, and trying read it as a sign for the lord. Keep doing your thang, reading your bible, being a model for the Christian way of life yourself, and let the future come without worry.