Stopping Abortion

[Online.Gamer.79]

complications and side effects from pregnancy

• complications of episiotomy
• spousal/partner abuse
• hyperemesis gravidarum
• temporary and permanent injury to back
• severe scarring requiring later surgery
  (especially after additional pregnancies)
• dropped (prolapsed) uterus (especially after additional pregnancies, and other pelvic floor weaknesses -- 11% of women, including cystocele, rectocele, and enterocele)
• pre-eclampsia (edema and hypertension, the most common complication of pregnancy, associated with eclampsia, and affecting 7 - 10% of pregnancies)
• eclampsia (convulsions, coma during pregnancy or labor, high risk of death)
• gestational diabetes
• placenta previa
• anemia (which can be life-threatening)
• thrombocytopenic purpura
• severe cramping
• embolism (blood clots)
• medical disability requiring full bed rest (frequently ordered during part of many pregnancies varying from days to months for health of either mother or baby)
• diastasis recti, also torn abdominal muscles
• mitral valve stenosis (most common cardiac complication)
• serious infection and disease (e.g. increased risk of tuberculosis)
• hormonal imbalance
• ectopic pregnancy (risk of death)
• broken bones (ribcage, "tail bone")
• hemorrhage and
• numerous other complications of delivery
• refractory gastroesophageal reflux disease
• aggravation of pre-pregnancy diseases and conditions (e.g. epilepsy is present in .5% of pregnant women, and the pregnancy alters drug metabolism and treatment prospects all the while it increases the number and frequency of seizures)
• severe post-partum depression and psychosis
• research now indicates a possible link between ovarian cancer and female fertility treatments, including "egg harvesting" from infertile women and donors
• research also now indicates correlations between lower breast cancer survival rates and proximity in time to onset of cancer of last pregnancy
• research also indicates a correlation between having six or more pregnancies and a risk of coronary and cardiovascular disease
• OH HERE IS THE BIG ONE IT DOES NOT HAPPEN MUCH TODAY WOMAN DIE FROM IT.

Oh wait she just sit and pray. You are the quintessential Conservative right wing condescending, judgmental, self-righteous, Christian...your type of Christians is why Christians are becoming universally hated....LIFE IS NOT BLACK AND WHITE ITS SHADES OF GRAY IT ALWAYS HAS been

 

[Online.Gamer.79]

How am I condescending? I actually believe people are capable of not having sex. It's not my job to fix their wrongdoing. They know what they need to do.

Your right people can chose...kids especially teenagers make the wrong ones...so you make sure they have protection incase they are stupid which teenagers are...they are driven by biological need to mate...to have children. Do they all do it...No. But the majority do have sex.

 

[Fantine]

It's a moot question, because ending Roe v. Wade will just give the decision to the states.

And case in point. I live in a red state surrounded by red states. The closest state that would continue to have abortions would probably be Illinois. Inconvenient? Yes. Out of the question? No.

Allegiant Airlines could get a young woman to Las Vegas or LA for $150 round trip. While that would be difficult for some, it is within the range of possibility for most.

A girl my daughter went to high school with actually had a band she knew hold a "benefit concert" to pay for her abortion. I was shocked (as most people in my generation would be) but this is what happens now. People start go fund me accounts for all sorts of reasons.

In the case of the girl who held the benefit concert, the father was a convicted felon and drug addict.

It is estimated that ending Roe v. Wade will decrease abortions by 13%, so it won't stop abortions.

The carrot works better than the stick--but carrots cost money, and pro-lifers are disinterested in providing the carrots needed to change the minds of young women.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

that’s not really true , life began in the Precambrian if you want to make that argument . Cells are alive granted. Fetuses aren’t capable of living independently until about the 6th fetal month. Until then they are a type of self limiting parasite on the woman. The ugly fact is that this “parasitic” condition will cause health problems for some women . It should be solely her choice to continue the pregnancy or not . It’s truly none of your business and even more important, it should never be any of your business!

Until conception, a human being does not begin to develop. There is no debate about it among scientists.

You call a fetus a parasite, but conception wasn't begun by the fetus, but by the woman and man who had sex. We can't punish the unborn for their reckless behavior.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

complications and side effects from pregnancy

• complications of episiotomy
• spousal/partner abuse
• hyperemesis gravidarum
• temporary and permanent injury to back
• severe scarring requiring later surgery
  (especially after additional pregnancies)
• dropped (prolapsed) uterus (especially after additional pregnancies, and other pelvic floor weaknesses -- 11% of women, including cystocele, rectocele, and enterocele)
• pre-eclampsia (edema and hypertension, the most common complication of pregnancy, associated with eclampsia, and affecting 7 - 10% of pregnancies)
• eclampsia (convulsions, coma during pregnancy or labor, high risk of death)
• gestational diabetes
• placenta previa
• anemia (which can be life-threatening)
• thrombocytopenic purpura
• severe cramping
• embolism (blood clots)
• medical disability requiring full bed rest (frequently ordered during part of many pregnancies varying from days to months for health of either mother or baby)
• diastasis recti, also torn abdominal muscles
• mitral valve stenosis (most common cardiac complication)
• serious infection and disease (e.g. increased risk of tuberculosis)
• hormonal imbalance
• ectopic pregnancy (risk of death)
• broken bones (ribcage, "tail bone")
• hemorrhage and
• numerous other complications of delivery
• refractory gastroesophageal reflux disease
• aggravation of pre-pregnancy diseases and conditions (e.g. epilepsy is present in .5% of pregnant women, and the pregnancy alters drug metabolism and treatment prospects all the while it increases the number and frequency of seizures)
• severe post-partum depression and psychosis
• research now indicates a possible link between ovarian cancer and female fertility treatments, including "egg harvesting" from infertile women and donors
• research also now indicates correlations between lower breast cancer survival rates and proximity in time to onset of cancer of last pregnancy
• research also indicates a correlation between having six or more pregnancies and a risk of coronary and cardiovascular disease
• OH HERE IS THE BIG ONE IT DOES NOT HAPPEN MUCH TODAY WOMAN DIE FROM IT.

Oh wait she just sit and pray. You are the quintessential Conservative right wing condescending, judgmental, self-righteous, Christian...your type of Christians is why Christians are becoming universally hated....LIFE IS NOT BLACK AND WHITE ITS SHADES OF GRAY IT ALWAYS HAS been

My wife never experienced any of those things your your list after having two children. Neither did my daughter or any other relatives who gave birth.

You seem to believe that "being," is evil and we humans should not reproduce. I hope I'm wrong about this.

 

[Online.Gamer.79]

My wife never experienced any of those things your your list after having two children. Neither did my daughter or any other relatives who gave birth.

You seem to believe that "being," is evil and we humans should not reproduce. I hope I'm wrong about this.

Well that's a miracle...no morning sickness or all the other things that happened to my mom and my sisters...wow your amazing all the women in your family have never had to go through all the problems many women go threw pregnancy. Tell me did they not experience pain during labor...what a miracle. My sister came over with my nephew and she saw your comment and busted a gut laughing. Her comment can be posted her lol...oh and if you have not guessed me personally I am being sarcastic.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Well that's a miracle...no morning sickness or all the other things that happened to my mom and my sisters...wow your amazing all the women in your family have never had to go through all the problems many women go threw pregnancy. Tell me did they not experience pain during labor...what a miracle. My sister came over with my nephew and she saw your comment and busted a gut laughing. Her comment can be posted her lol...oh and if you have not guessed me personally I am being sarcastic.

Morning sickness was not on the list.

Labor pain is also not on the list.

The other complications are rare and not the norm for most pregnancies.

Certainly not a justification for aborting the pregnancy.

 

[Brightmoon]

My wife never experienced any of those things your your list after having two children. Neither did my daughter or any other relatives who gave birth.

You seem to believe that "being," is evil and we humans should not reproduce. I hope I'm wrong about this.

your wife isn’t every woman either . I couldn’t walk after the 5th month because my thigh bones would come out of the hip sockets , they loosened too much . My grandsons SO had to be on bed rest for months or she would have had a miscarriage.

All mammal females have issues giving birth because mammals have brains larger than they need . Even birds can die laying eggs because they get stuck sometimes. Females just aren’t pop it out baby machines. No female is . Human females realize that !

 

[JimR-OCDS]

your wife isn’t every woman either . I couldn’t walk after the 5th month because my thigh bones would come out of the hip sockets , they loosened too much . My grandsons SO had to be on bed rest for months or she would have had a miscarriage.

All mammal females have issues giving birth because mammals have brains larger than they need . Even birds can die laying eggs because they get stuck sometimes. Females just aren’t pop it out baby machines. No female is . Human females realize that !

So humans should stop reproducing because of the possible complications ?

 

[Brightmoon]

Wouldn’t hurt , there are too many of us

 

[jgarden]

International studies have shown that even if Roe v Wade was repealed tomorrow, making abortion illegal will not act as a deterrent!

Does anyone seriously think that America's young women are now willing to turn the clock back 50 years and follow the dictates of a few, wealthy, old, white, conservative males in Washington who neither know nor care about their personal circumstances?

 

[Online.Gamer.79]

your wife isn’t every woman either . I couldn’t walk after the 5th month because my thigh bones would come out of the hip sockets , they loosened too much . My grandsons SO had to be on bed rest for months or she would have had a miscarriage.

All mammal females have issues giving birth because mammals have brains larger than they need . Even birds can die laying eggs because they get stuck sometimes. Females just aren’t pop it out baby machines. No female is . Human females realize that !

Careful on responding you might get a warning lol. I always thought it funny that conservatives have no problem being rude, judgmental, condescending, etc here and there post are not deleted for the most part, but if a liberal treats them the same you get a warning lol. Not that I really care but be careful moon. They want the freedom of speech, religion, choice for them not for anyone who doesn't think like them.

 

[Clertole]

Unsafe abortion can be prevented through comprehensive sexuality education.

 

[Online.Gamer.79]

Unsafe abortion can be prevented through comprehensive sexuality education.

not according to conservatives though it does work. It worked for me and my siblings. My dad got us condoms and banana and taught us how to put it on correctly lol. If used correctly a condom is about 98% effective against std and pregnancy. I mean rapist know it, I remember a serial rapist who did am interview praising the condom. It was so effective that he wasn't caught with dna, if i remember correctly his last victim overpowered him. It was years ago but none of his victims got pregnant or an std. So when here conservative spout the condom does not work I laugh

 

[Brightmoon]

Morning sickness was not on the list.

Labor pain is also not on the list.

The other complications are rare and not the norm for most pregnancies.

Certainly not a justification for aborting the pregnancy.

you’re a man how would you know . My great grandmother had 15 and she was sick with every single one of those 15 pregnancies. My grandmother, her daughter, had one child . The difference is my great grandmother couldnt refuse her husband and my grandmother wasn’t having it!

 

[JimR-OCDS]

you’re a man how would you know . My great grandmother had 15 and she was sick with every single one of those 15 pregnancies. My grandmother, her daughter, had one child . The difference is my great grandmother couldnt refuse her husband and my grandmother wasn’t having it!

I'm married to a woman and we talk.

Sorry if this isn't the case for you.

The fact that your grandmother got sick at every pregnancy, wouldn't have justified her abortion any one of them.

Also, how do you know she couldn't refuse her husband, were you there in the bedroom with them ?

Birth control didn't exist for them in most cases and the pill didn't come out until the 60's.

But even then, aborting the healthy unborn doesn't become a moral act.

 

[Brightmoon]

I'm married to a woman and we talk.

Sorry if this isn't the case for you.

The fact that your grandmother got sick at every pregnancy, wouldn't have justified her abortion any one of them.

Also, how do you know she couldn't refuse her husband, were you there in the bedroom with them ?

Birth control didn't exist for them in most cases and the pill didn't come out until the 60's.

But even then, aborting the healthy unborn doesn't become a moral act.

. How do I know ? My great grandfather was a minister and he would have thrown the bible verses at her about obedience.. . 2 my grandmother complained about it and it helps to remember at this point that my great grandfather wasn’t a petty tyrant like so many Victorian era men were . Up until the 1930s women really were sort of expected to be obedient to their husbands . The the movies and both WWI and WWII changed that . Women got decent well paying jobs and there were too many widows afterwards who were able to (or had to )live independently

 

[Online.Gamer.79]

I'm married to a woman and we talk.

Sorry if this isn't the case for you.

The fact that your grandmother got sick at every pregnancy, wouldn't have justified her abortion any one of them.

Also, how do you know she couldn't refuse her husband, were you there in the bedroom with them ?

Birth control didn't exist for them in most cases and the pill didn't come out until the 60's.

But even then, aborting the healthy unborn doesn't become a moral act.

Jim go back to the 1950's and keep going back...a woman was not allowed to say know to her husband. He could beat her, rape her do what ever he wanted as long as he did not kill her. Pregnancy has alot of side effects one of them being death. Medicine has come far woman do not die as often in pregnancy but the still die. I have been looking for stories and one is a woman who was on blood thinners cause of a stroke she was in her 40s and she got pregnant. She could not carry to term and her pastor and every one was saying she should. She had an abortion cause her medications one could have adverse effects on her fetus. There was about a fifty percent chance she would die. You and every other conservative Christian does not have right to force someone to go through something that can kill them. That list from earlier is real...it can also cause severe depression...my aunt almost killed herself after she had her baby...you keep going on about an unborn child...what about the life of the woman...fact an abortion does not cause suffering for the fetus...the part of the brain that has conciseness and fills pain does not form till around 28 weeks and by that point most doctors will not do an abortion unless the woman's life is in danger. And most women who do have an abortion do not chose to do so lightly and they do it in the first two or three months. And despite the self-righteous hoopla you know all of this. Pregnancy can have fatal side effects meaning it should be a womans

 

[Brightmoon]

Gamer , Correct some of the autocorrect goofs it nailed you a few times

 

[jgarden]

Prohibition should have taught Americans that the government can't successfully impose on the nation, the moral convictions held by a minority - just by changing the laws!

Within a democracy, this not only breeds disrespect for the law and open defiance directed toward the government, but once again provides yet another potential financial windfall for organized crime who won't hesitate in seizing the opportunity to provide an illegal, unregulated, profitable medical service for desperate young women!