Stopping Abortion

[Dansiph]

I suspect they "put them on pedestals" because it's easier to make choices about someone if they're 12 feet up in the air rather than to simply let them make their own decisions about their bodies. All without anyone else thinking they should have a voice/vote about those decisions.


You mean they wouldn't agree with me saying those women should also be free to make their own decisions about their own bodies? Those women?
tulc(suspects things on pedestals don't get pregnant but women do)

There's women in government. Since their numbers have increased so has abortion. I also don't know what you're talking about, what decisions are you even talking about?

 

[tulc]

There's women in government. Since their numbers have increased so has abortion.

You mean women are making decisions about their own bodies, all without letting random strangers have a vote in those decisions?

I also don't know what you're talking about, what decisions are you even talking about?

what difference does it make "what decisions"? it's their bodies.
tulc(kind of thought that part was obvious)

 

[Dansiph]

You mean women are making decisions about their own bodies, all without letting random strangers have a vote in those decisions?


what difference does it make "what decisions"? it's their bodies.
tulc(kind of thought that part was obvious)

There is no response to this level of twaddle.

 

[tulc]

There is no response to this level of twaddle.

so...from you posts it would appear: that
A) "It's ridiculous to think men's bodies would ever be regulated by the government",
B) "women shouldn't be allowed to make their own decisions about their bodies"
and, as an added bonus:
C) "women in government cause abortion.".
tulc(wonders if those sum up some of Aspzan's positions in this thread?)

 

[Sistrin]

"From your link: "What do honest statistics reveal? The incidence of maternal mortality—and abortion-related mortality specifically—declined dramatically through the middle part of the 20th century as a result of antibiotics and other medical advances."

And this is a surprise to you? That the advance of medical technology would also reflect abortion related maternal mortality?

The issue being addressed stemmed from this comment, quote:

"There is no law that can stop it. People will go to states or countries that allow it. To those can not afford that will go to back alley butchers like they used to."

The linked article refutes quite effectively that assertion, of the prior or future scourge of "back alley butcher." As do those sections you commented on.

 

[bekkilyn]

so...from you posts it would appear: that
A) "It's ridiculous to think men's bodies would ever be regulated by the government",
B) "women shouldn't be allowed to make their own decisions about their bodies"
and, as an added bonus:
C) "women in government cause abortion.".
tulc(wonders if those sum up some of Aspzan's positions in this thread?)

It seems he agrees with you.

Granted, I thought I heard all the misogynistic excuses already for why women shouldn't be able to participate in life outside of being cooking and baby factories for men, but I think this is the first time that I've ever heard it stated that women in government cause abortions. LOL.

(Of course he has provided no statistics whatsoever from any credible sources to back up this claim.)

 

[Dansiph]

It seems he agrees with you.

Granted, I thought I heard all the misogynistic excuses already for why women shouldn't be able to participate in life outside of being cooking and baby factories for men, but I think this is the first time that I've ever heard it stated that women in government cause abortions. LOL.

(Of course he has provided no statistics whatsoever from any credible sources to back up this claim.)

Hello I'm here! Be a man and talk directly to me you wimp. Sorry... strong woman

 

[Dansiph]

It seems he agrees with you.

Granted, I thought I heard all the misogynistic excuses already for why women shouldn't be able to participate in life outside of being cooking and baby factories for men, but I think this is the first time that I've ever heard it stated that women in government cause abortions. LOL.

(Of course he has provided no statistics whatsoever from any credible sources to back up this claim.)

I've never had a single woman I know in real life, meaning in person, call me misogynistic. I also did not say women in government cause abortion.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

A law outlawing all abortions will never make it through Congress, especially abortions before viability.

I'm pro-life, but I know that politically, there is no member of Congress who'd even attempt to write such a law.

The main thing would be the penalty phase of such a law. It would never pass in congress if a woman who obtains a 1st trimester abortion or a doctor who performs it, would be sent to jail.

After viability, the regulations could change and many states it has. Even in my liberal state, obtaining a routine abortion after viability has some difficulties, of the mother's health isn't at risk and the fetus is healthy. Most doctors won't perform such an abortion

 

[bekkilyn]

The vast majority of abortions are in that first trimester anyway, though the anti-choice crowd likes to pretend that women are killing off fully-developed babies left and right 10 minutes before they would have naturally popped out on their own.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

The vast majority of abortions are in that first trimester anyway, though the anti-choice crowd likes to pretend that women are killing off fully-developed babies left and right 10 minutes before they would have naturally popped out on their own.

She's definitely ending a human life, there is no debate about that.

All human life begins at conception.

 

[tulc]

(snip) I also did not say women in government cause abortion.

There's women in government. Since their numbers have increased so has abortion. (snip)

what other conclusion would the above seem to be saying:
government + more women = more abortions
tulc(is just curious)

 

[tulc]

Hello I'm here! Be a man and talk directly to me you wimp. Sorry... strong woman

you do understand...people on the forum can talk to whoever they want to talk to, right?
tulc(is just curious part 2)

 

[Alexielane]

She's definitely ending a human life, there is no debate about that.

All human life begins at conception.

I accept that you believe that, however many people don't.

Personally I define myself as anti-abortion but pro-choice. I don't approve of infidelity or adultery either, but I don't think it should be illegal either. Enforcing religious morals onto others through legislation is a slippery slope.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

I accept that you believe that, however many people don't.

Personally I define myself as anti-abortion but pro-choice. I don't approve of infidelity or adultery either, but I don't think it should be illegal either. Enforcing religious morals onto others through legislation is a slippery slope.

Scientist know that human life begins at conception.

Anyone who denies this, will have to explain how they skipped conception at the start of their life.


And being pro-choice doesn't mean you don't support abortion.

A woman who wants an abortion doesn't just will it to happen. She must have others to perform it and provide the medical requirements involved.

Then of course, society must be willing to allow it and allow for the logistics to support it.

The term "Pro-Choice," is a way the leftist try to take a neutral position when it comes to abortion.

 

[Alexielane]

As I said in my last post, there are many things that I believe are morally wrong that I don't believe should be illegal. I guess that is the crux of the matter for me.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

As I said in my last post, there are many things that I believe are morally wrong that I don't believe should be illegal. I guess that is the crux of the matter for me.

When life begins is not an opinion. It is a fact that human life begins at conception.

I believe what you're trying to say is, when does a fetus become a person ?

This is debatable, but for Christians, we prefer to error on the side of life.

 

[Alexielane]

Indeed we do, hence my dislike for abortion.

However, I do think that there needs to be room for things that we find morally objectionable to remain legal.

 

[bekkilyn]

She's definitely ending a human life, there is no debate about that.

All human life begins at conception.

Life at that point, yes. Person? No. I also disagree with (and find it irresponsible in some ways) with the philosophy that all life must be brought to term at all costs. We also have to consider the quality of life for the people who are already born when weighing how we manage life that is not yet born. I see too many people claiming to be "pro-life" whose *only* concern is for the unborn, and others who really don't have any real concern for the unborn except as a tool for exerting control over others.

The thing is, if something is living in your body, you are the one authorized to choose whether or not it gets to remain there. No one else has that authority even if they try to claim it or take it from you.

Personally, I prefer focus on methods that are actually proven to reduce abortions (and therefore saving more lives, including those of the unborn) rather than criminalizing women and giving the government control over people's bodies and medical decisions. I want an environment where women feel safe raising children, even if they are a single mother, and a society that truly values women and children. Creating such an environment would be encouraging for women to seek other choices besides abortion.

 

[bekkilyn]

you do understand...people on the forum can talk to whoever they want to talk to, right?
tulc(is just curious part 2)

I think he was hoping that calling me a "wimp" and not a "real man (woman)" was some sort of actual insult.

Oh no, it seems I'm doing it again, aren't I? Silly me.