Stoning of Stephen against the Law

brinny · Aug 15, 2012

That's sumthin' to munch over, isn't it?

brinny · Aug 16, 2012

*bump*

i hate killing threads....(well, not ALL of them)

LittleLambofJesus · Aug 16, 2012

Originally Posted by ALABALE

What I find interesting LLofJ is something you mentioned where it states that "...Jesus was STANDING..."
No where else in the Bible do we see Jesus STANDING. We mostly hear of him SITTING at the right hand of the father.

Why was he Standing?? Good one to dicuss!

LittleLambofJesus said:
Like a witness standing at the scene of a crime me thinks.

brinny said:
That's sumthin' to munch over, isn't it?

I always like muching on the Word/Lamb of God

Revelation 14:1 Then I looked and behold!
the Lamb was standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His name and the name of His Father written on their foreheads.

brinny · Aug 16, 2012

LittleLambofJesus said:
I always like muching on the Word/Lamb of God

Revelation 14:1 Then I looked and behold!
the Lamb was standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His name and the name of His Father written on their foreheads.

Goodgoogaloogamooga! Did'ja notice that? I never noticed it before....

"having His name and the name of His Father written on their foreheads"

Both names!!!

LittleLambofJesus · Oct 15, 2012

brinny said:
Goodgoogaloogamooga! Did'ja notice that? I never noticed it before....

"having His name and the name of His Father written on their foreheads"

Both names!!!

Yepperz!

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brinny · Oct 15, 2012

awesome!!!

brinny · Oct 15, 2012

still mulling over the having both names on their foreheads

Hawkins · Oct 15, 2012

LittleLambofJesus said:
Did the Judeans know they were breaking the Law by stoning "Stephen", as according to what they told the "Pilate" in John 18:13 it was not permitted to put to death anyone. I am doing a study on this in relation to Revelation so any input on this would be appreciated. Thanks.

One of the reasons of rebellion in a colony is that people rather follow what is culture instead of what is said by law, especially under the circumstance of lacking enforcment. Law may be set up in accordance to what the Romans see fit, but the Jews may still practice what they culturally see fit. Stoning at that time may not be strictly enforced. Politicall, allowing such an religious act may actually lessen the politcal tense. That's disallowing such a cultural and religious behavior may sometimes lead to rebellions.

Both "God" in verse Acts 7:55 and Acts 7:56 are in singular form of strong number G2316. I don't know why you said that one of them is in plural form.

brinny · Oct 15, 2012

so they were breaking the law then?

LittleLambofJesus · Apr 3, 2013

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

Did the Judeans know they were breaking the Law by stoning "Stephen", as according to what they told the "Pilate" in John 18:13 it was not permitted to put to death anyone. I am doing a study on this in relation to Revelation so any input on this would be appreciated. Thanks.

brinny said:
so they were breaking the law then?

According to John 18:31, the Jews and their lae, they were not allowed to put to someone to death.

So instead, they let the lawless Romans do their dirty work for them.

Jhn 18:31
Then Pilate said to them, "You take Him and judge Him according to your law."
Therefore the Jews said to him, "It is not lawful for us to put anyone to death,"

Act 2:23
"Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death;

http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/savior/SOW14.htm

What then was their problem? They were expressing an attitude of unbelief which was persistent and calculated rejection of the activity of God toward them. They were resisting the Holy Spirit, striving against the influence of God acting upon their minds and hearts.

Notice that later on Stephen was brought before this same group, and he said to them the same thing the Lord Jesus had said:

"You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, you do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do you" (Acts 7:51)

They were doing the same thing their fathers had done. In Christ's day they were resisting the Holy Spirit, and the same condition exists today - they are still resisting the Holy Spirit!

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LittleLambofJesus · Apr 3, 2013

Standing Up said:
Deut. 17:12 "The man who acts presumptuously by not listening to the priest who stands there to serve the LORD your God, nor to the judge, that man shall die; thus you shall purge the evil from Israel.

The stoners were in the wrong, not listening to Jesus Christ our priest who stood to hear the case.

Mrk. 14:60 The high priest (Caiaphas) stood up {and came} forward and questioned Jesus, saying, "Do You not answer? What is it that these men are testifying against You?"

Acts 23 is also similar, where the high priest Ananias, commanded those standing by Paul to smite him on the mouth.
Paul almost got stoned for that until he told them he did not know Ananias was a high priest:

Act 23:2
and the chief priest Ananias commanded those standing by him to smite him on the mouth,
3 then Paul said unto him, "God is about to smite thee, thou whitewashed wall,
and thou -- thou dost sit judging me according to the law, and, violating law, dost order me to be smitten!"
4 And those who stood by said, "The chief priest of God dost thou revile?"
5and Paul said, "I did not know, brethren, that he is chief priest: for it hath been written, 'Of the ruler of thy people thou shalt not speak evil;'"

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Shimshon · Apr 3, 2013

brinny said:
Goodgoogaloogamooga! Did'ja notice that? I never noticed it before....

"having His name and the name of His Father written on their foreheads"

Both names!!!

What is the name of the Father?

John 5 said:
43 I have come in my Father's name, and you do not receive me.

How do you understand this? "I have come in my Father's name"

I see this as God and Messiah having the same name. If I come in my fathers name, I call myself by the name of my father. Messiah's name is Yeshua. God our Savior.

Isaiah 45 said:
15 Truly, you are a God who hides himself, O God of Israel, the Savior.

Is not God our only Savior? God, the Savior/Y'Shua.

This brings light to these verses:

Matthew 28:19 said:
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

If Messiah came in the name of the Father, and His given name to Mary is Yeshua, then baptism is done in the name of Yeshua, who is the name of the Father, the Son and of the Spirit of God.

John 16:23 said:
In that day you will ask nothing of me. Truly, truly, I say to you, whatever you ask of the Father in my name, he will give it to you.

Ephisians 5:20 said:
giving thanks always and for everything to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ,

Col 3:17 said:
And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.

This is how giving thanks to God the Father in the name of Yeshua works. When we give thanks to God using the name Yeshua, we are in fact calling God Himself by name. Because Yeshua came in the name of the Father, when we do things in the name of Yeshua we are glorifying the name of the Father. Who is the only God, our Savior. One God, one name, by which all are to be saved.

Acts 4 said:
11 This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone. 12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."

John 5:43 I have come in my Father's name,

I don't see two names here. According to John 5:43 The name of God the Father revealed to us through Messiah is Yeshua, God our Savior.

LittleLambofJesus · May 15, 2013

Shimshon said:
What is the name of the Father?

How do you understand this? "I have come in my Father's name"

I see this as God and Messiah having the same name. If I come in my fathers name, I call myself by the name of my father. Messiah's name is Yeshua. God our Savior.

Is not God our only Savior? God, the Savior/Y'Shua.

This brings light to these verses:
If Messiah came in the name of the Father, and His given name to Mary is Yeshua, then baptism is done in the name of Yeshua, who is the name of the Father, the Son and of the Spirit of God.

This is how giving thanks to God the Father in the name of Yeshua works. When we give thanks to God using the name Yeshua, we are in fact calling God Himself by name. Because Yeshua came in the name of the Father, when we do things in the name of Yeshua we are glorifying the name of the Father. Who is the only God, our Savior. One God, one name, by which all are to be saved.

John 5:43 I have come in my Father's name,

I don't see two names here. According to John 5:43 The name of God the Father revealed to us through Messiah is Yeshua, God our Savior.

Not really sure what all of that has to do with the OP

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Rose_bud · May 17, 2013

Hi
I think that the stoning of Stephen was also a catalyst in the spreading of the gospel. The persecution caused the dispersion of the people.

LittleLambofJesus · Sep 22, 2013

Rose_bud said:
Hi
I think that the stoning of Stephen was also a catalyst in the spreading of the gospel.
The persecution caused the dispersion of the people.

Helpful insight. Never looked at it that way. Thanks

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brinny · Feb 21, 2018

LittleLambofJesus said:
According to John 18:31, the Jews and their lae, they were not allowed to put to someone to death.

So instead, they let the lawless Romans do their dirty work for them.

Jhn 18:31
Then Pilate said to them, "You take Him and judge Him according to your law."
Therefore the Jews said to him, "It is not lawful for us to put anyone to death,"

Act 2:23
"Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death;

http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/savior/SOW14.htm

What then was their problem? They were expressing an attitude of unbelief which was persistent and calculated rejection of the activity of God toward them. They were resisting the Holy Spirit, striving against the influence of God acting upon their minds and hearts.

Notice that later on Stephen was brought before this same group, and he said to them the same thing the Lord Jesus had said: They were doing the same thing their fathers had done. In Christ's day they were resisting the Holy Spirit, and the same condition exists today - they are still resisting the Holy Spirit!

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Just reading this again. This is PHENOMENAL!!!!

LittleLambofJesus · Jul 14, 2018

LittleLambofJesus said: ↑
According to John 18:31, the Jews and their lae, they were not allowed to put to someone to death.

So instead, they let the lawless Romans do their dirty work for them.

Jhn 18:31
Then Pilate said to them, "You take Him and judge Him according to your law."
Therefore the Jews said to him, "It is not lawful for us to put anyone to death,"

Act 2:23
"Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death;

http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/savior/SOW14.htm

What then was their problem? They were expressing an attitude of unbelief which was persistent and calculated rejection of the activity of God toward them. They were resisting the Holy Spirit, striving against the influence of God acting upon their minds and hearts.

Notice that later on Stephen was brought before this same group, and he said to them the same thing the Lord Jesus had said: They were doing the same thing their fathers had done. In Christ's day they were resisting the Holy Spirit, and the same condition exists today - they are still resisting the Holy Spirit!

brinny said:
Just reading this again. This is PHENOMENAL!!!!

Thank you brinny.
Yes it is!!.

JackRT · Jul 14, 2018

The Jews did not lose the right to execute by stoning for the crime of blasphemy until AD 39. However, this would have required a trial before the Sanhedrin. The High Priest chaired the Sanhedrin but in practice it was dominated by Pharisee rabbis who opposed the High Priest at every turn. The HP may have wanted Stephen dead, and Jesus too for that matter, but he could not risk a rejection by the Sanhedrin in either case. So, in the case of Stephen, he likely had the temple police arrange a mob and in the case of Jesus he had his friend Pilate do his dirty work.

LittleLambofJesus · Sep 8, 2018

Solidlyhere said:
Me-thinks the OP has too much time on his hands.

If you read the Gospels, you will discover that Jesus Christ Himself was almost stoned to death.

And, I recall an Adulteress who was facing a crowd of people to stone her to death.

Stoning is a tried-and-true method of enforcing Mosaic law.
If the OP thinks that Revelation is affected by the stoning of Stephen, then I think he's going in the wrong direction.

Thks for that info...

Daral said:
Correct. The OP is mistaking the Roman law for the Mosaic Law. Under The Law, assuming Stephen blasphemed God, killing him was legitimate.
When before Pilate, they were speaking of Roman law, where they didn't have the authority to kill anyone. The only reason they were going to Pilate in the first place was that they thought they could legitimately kill Jesus under The Law.

That is a good point and thanks for clarifying that. Here are 2 instances where some of the lawless Jews wanted to kill Jesus and Paul:

John 7:1
And after these, Jesus was walking in the Galilee, for not He willed in the Judea to be walking,
that the Judeans sought Him to kill/apokteinai <615> (5658). [Isaiah 9:1/Matt 4:14]

Acts 23:14
Who-any toward coming to the Chief-priests and to the Elders say
"to-anathema we anathematize ourselves of no yet nothing to taste till of which we may be killing/apokteinwmen <615> (5725) Paul."

Paul actually appealed to Caesar at one point:

Acts 25:11
For if I be an offender, or have committed any thing worthy of death, I refuse not to die.
But if there be none of these things whereof these accuse me, no man may deliver me unto them.
I appeal unto Caesar.

Reve 12:10
And I hear great voice saying in the Heaven: "Now became the salvation and the power and the Kingdom of the God of us, and the authority of the Christ of Him, that was cast the Accuser of the brothers of us,
the one accusing them in sight of the God of us day and night.

Revelation 6:6
And I hear a voice in midst of the four living-ones saying: "choinex of grain/wheat a denarius and three choinex of barleys a denarius, and the oil and the wine no you should be injuring". [John 11:48]

Hank77 · Sep 8, 2018

LittleLambofJesus said:
edit:
Were the Judeans breaking the Law by stoning "Stephen" in Acts 7?
In John 18:13, they told Pilate it was not permitted to put to death anyone.
Any input on this would be appreciated. Thanks.

John 18:31
Pilate is then Saying then Pilate to them: "Be taking Him ye, and according to the Law of ye, judge! ".
Said to him the Judeans: "to-us not is permitted to put to death no-one".

Acts 7:
1 And the high priest said, "Are these things so"?...........
54 Now when they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed upon him with their teeth.
59 And as they were stoning Stephen, he was calling out and saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.”
60 And having fallen on his knees, he cried in a loud voice, “Lord, do not place this sin to them.” And having said this, he fell asleep.

"Stoned" [no pun intended].........

Revelation 16:21
and hail, great as talent weight is descending out of the heaven upon the men
and the men blaspheme the God out of the stripe/blow of the hail,
that great is the stripe/blow of her, tremendous. [Isaiah 28:17,18]

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Theory only...
I don't think they broke Roman law when they stoned Stephen. Stephen was a Jew and was stoned because of a religious disagreement, not a Roman secular one. They couldn't, under Roman law, have stoned a Gentile for not following their religious beliefs. Paul, a Jew, once escaped the Jews by claiming his Roman citizenship and putting himself into the hands of the Romans.
The Romans didn't care about the Jews internal issues. It was only when they spilled over into causing problems for the Romans that the Romans got involved.
When the Jews said that they were not allowed to put anyone to death they were referring to people who had broken a secular/Roman law. That is why their argument to Pilate against Jesus was that He had claimed to be a King with a Kingdom which would have been a threat to the Roman Empire.

Anyway Jesus had to be put to death as a sin sacrifice for both Jews and Gentiles so both needed to take part in the sacrifice of Him.

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