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I've seen the evidence you present more than once cross this site, and it simply does not prove evolution...no one here can do that. Then you say I cannot prove God either, as if the evidence isn't overwhelming from the time we open our eyes in the morning. But say we had no evidence either way, the common sense conclusion of a creator makes 100% more sense than "it just happened"

As a cop out, the evolutionists continue to hold to the idea that the beginning of life has nothing to do with the evolution process when it may well be the most important proponent. Not only is the beginning part of any process, It would tell us if we have reason to consider anything less than a creator to begin with. Yet one school of thought considers the beginning depending on they "don't know", or of all things coming out of nothing, something we have never seen happen, while we see things created all the time.

People refuse to acknowledge there is a God, make up the darnedest things to explain an alternative they can allow themselves to believe, then on top of all that, they pat themselves on the back for being part of the more advanced generation...smarter than those of the past and the small minded of the present, when in my view, for the very simple reasons I mentioned, they are far from it.

So, for those who do, laugh at the simple mindedness of the Christian while you can, pat yourselves on the back for being intellectually superior, and don't worry about it. I mean why try to convince people that choose to be ignorant? just leave us in it, that is unless there is some other reason why you need to convince us.

Believe it or not we'll all find out in the end, so if you are satisfied there is no God, then relax...thing is, you don't relax, but instead constantly try to reinforce your beliefs.
Saying that I say, "It just happened" is misrepresenting me. Please don't do that. The evidence I have presented on this site is evidence for common ancestry. It is very detailed. If you wish to contest it, you need to get into the details, and not just wave your arms around.

If you choose to be ignorant, that is your prerogative, but many people fail to stop there. They insist on trying to perpetuate their ignorance by indoctrinating the coming generations. People used to think I was being alarmist, but we now have a Vice President and a Secretary of Education who are intent on destroying science education in the U.S. If they get their way, it will be a disaster for a country founded on rationalist and enlightenment values.
 

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Saying that I say, "It just happened" is misrepresenting me. Please don't do that. The evidence I have presented on this site is evidence for common ancestry. It is very detailed. If you wish to contest it, you need to get into the details, and not just wave your arms around.

If you choose to be ignorant, that is your prerogative, but many people fail to stop there. They insist on trying to perpetuate their ignorance by indoctrinating the coming generations. People used to think I was being alarmist, but we now have a Vice President and a Secretary of Education who are intent on destroying science education in the U.S. If they get their way, it will be a disaster for a country founded on rationalist and enlightenment values.
Saying it just happened, is not misrepresenting you.

That is precisely what you as an Atheist believes.
 
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Saying it just happened, is not misrepresenting you.

That is precisely what you as an Atheist believes.
That it happened is beyond doubt. Saying that it "just" happened is another thing entirely.
 
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If you choose to be ignorant, that is your prerogative, but many people fail to stop there. They insist on trying to perpetuate their ignorance by indoctrinating the coming generations. People used to think I was being alarmist, but we now have a Vice President and a Secretary of Education who are intent on destroying science education in the U.S. If they get their way, it will be a disaster for a country founded on rationalist and enlightenment values.

For real? That sounds very disturbing indeed.

Did you you know Adolf Hitler did the same thing to Germany (Nazification) prior to WW2??

We are seeing the same thing happen again... Ironically, it's one pretty good reason why Nazi Germany lost in WW2. Hitler idiotically drafted their scientists into frontline warfare.

And then Hitler banned "Western Science" to some degree which doomed their nuclear weapons program. They recognize the weapon as a game changer, but oops, too late, our scientists are dead!

Perhaps, what we are seeing is a clandestine attack against the Western society???
 
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For real? That sounds very disturbing indeed.

Did you you know Adolf Hitler did the same thing to Germany (Nazification) prior to WW2??

We are seeing the same thing happen again... Ironically, it's one pretty good reason why Nazi Germany lost in WW2. Hitler idiotically drafted their scientists into frontline warfare.

And then Hitler banned "Western Science" to some degree which doomed their nuclear weapons program. They recognize the weapon as a game changer, but oops, too late, our scientists are dead!

Perhaps, what we are seeing is a clandestine attack against the Western society???
Lysenkoism too. In large part responsible for millions starving to death. It's what can happen when ideology is given precedence over reality. Lysenkoism - Wikipedia
 
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And please don't try to tell me what I believe. I'll tell you, and you can tell me what you believe. Deal?
But you do believe in a complete chance universe right? No moving force at all?
That would be an Atheist.

If you don't believe what Atheist believe, don't say you're an Atheist, deal?
 
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Lysenkoism too. In large part responsible for millions starving to death. It's what can happen when ideology is given precedence over reality. Lysenkoism - Wikipedia

Evil is often caused by ignorance of factual and honest data/info. Like Political Correctness is more ideology than science because it will have to ignore data/statistics in order to promote its principle.
 
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But you do believe in a complete chance universe right? No moving force at all?
That would be an Atheist.

If you don't believe what Atheist believe, don't say you're an Atheist, deal?
I can't make any sense of your first two questions.

I'm an atheist (no capital letter, it's not a proper noun), and I don't do "belief". If you cannot accept that, it's not my problem.
 
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I can't make any sense of your first two questions.

I'm an atheist (no capital letter, it's not a proper noun), and I don't do "belief". If you cannot accept that, it's not my problem.
You don't do belief?

Son you have more faith as an atheist, than a christian ever could hope for.

You don't believe in a god or God, so obviously you believe it happened all on its own, which is loony.
You have to concede that something, whatever it was, had to exist for eternity for something to exist at all, and it had to be intelligent to have created something as elaborate as this, and you deny it?

In other words, the world came out of nowhere, for no reason, in a way that would completely defy any kind of scientific principle? You call this evidence? You call this rational?
I've heard more rational arguments from meth heads.

Your belief in unbelief, is staggering, and your criticism for Christians being ignorant is laughable.
 
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You don't do belief?

Son you have more faith as an atheist, than a christian ever could hope for.

You don't believe in a god or God, so obviously you believe it happened all on its own, which is loony.
You have to concede that something, whatever it was, had to exist for eternity for something to exist at all, and it had to be intelligent to have created something as elaborate as this, and you deny it?

In other words, the world came out of nowhere, for no reason, in a way that would completely defy any kind of scientific principle? You call this evidence? You call this rational?
I've heard more rational arguments from meth heads.

Your belief in unbelief, is staggering, and your criticism for Christians being ignorant is laughable.
Son? I'm 67. A lifelong atheist. Don't be impertinent.

You keep trying to tell me what you think I believe. This is very tiresome and boring. How about asking me instead?
 
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Son? I'm 67. A lifelong atheist. Don't be impertinent.

You keep trying to tell me what you think I believe. This is very tiresome and boring. How about asking me instead?
You're an Atheist, I don't have to.

I know what you don't believe, and the only alternative is a completely secular beginning.
So how about quit insinuating you don't believe in a secular beginning, when you're an atheist, all the while not explaining anything about your beliefs, and then criticizing me for stating what your atheistic worldview implies, and makes you believe? How bout that?
 
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You're an Atheist, I don't have to.

I know what you don't believe, and the only alternative is a completely secular beginning.
So how about quit insinuating you don't believe in a secular beginning, when you're an atheist, all the while not explaining anything about your beliefs, and then criticizing me for stating what your atheistic worldview implies, and makes you believe? How bout that?
Thank you for confirming that your mind is closed. Hermetically sealed against anything that does not conform to your randomly acquired worldview.

How on earth do you expect me to explain my "beliefs" when I don't have any?
 
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Thank you for confirming that your mind is closed. Hermetically sealed against anything that does not conform to your randomly acquired worldview.

How on earth do you expect me to explain my "beliefs" when I don't have any?
You "believe" trust, faith, or confidence in someone or something.
That the world came out of nothing, no God, no moving force, just once there was nothing, and now there is something.

You have no evidence of this, it's illogical, it's a belief.
Try again.
 
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Watched for two seconds. I don't like being shouted at. Give me the gist.

A man in Niagara Falls tells a story about being at deaths door and knowing that the priest just gave him the last rites and could not flicker an eyelash in return. After the priest gets through with him another priest walks through the wall...
 
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You "believe" trust, faith, or confidence in someone or something.
That the world came out of nothing, no God, no moving force, just once there was nothing, and now there is something.

You have no evidence of this, it's illogical, it's a belief.
Try again.
I said, stop telling me what I believe, and ask me. Which of those words is giving you particular difficulty?
 
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A man in Niagara Falls tells a story about being at deaths door and knowing that the priest just gave him the last rites and could not flicker an eyelash in return. After the priest gets through with him another priest walks through the wall...
Totally believable...
 
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I said, stop telling me what I believe, and ask me. Which of these words is giving you particular difficulty?
So you believe in God? That's the ONLY alternative to not believing in God.
And if you don't believe in God, then you believe nothing created the universe.
There's no other thing to believe.

You cannot be this stupid, I refuse to believe it.
 
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