STILL no evidence FOR creation/ID

[pitabread]

Apparently from the links I posted previously.

Can you point me to the specific link/study?

 

[Doctor.Sphinx]

Can you point me to the specific link/study?

I'm sorry. It was actually a decrease in pleasure reported from masturbation due to circumcision, but one might deduce from this that it reduces the drive to abuse.

Late cuts: an international look at adult circumcision

 

[HitchSlap]

Masturbation.

What's wrong with having sex with someone you love?

I disagree with this. Parental consent should be given for all medical procedures, irrespective of the perceived risk/severity.

Including abortion?

 

[HitchSlap]

That's not the topic of discussion. You can't change the topic just because the evidence goes against you.

Forrest for the trees son...

 

[Doctor.Sphinx]

What's wrong with having sex with someone you love?



Including abortion?

God overrules any parental right over the life of the child with His command - Do not murder.

 

[HitchSlap]

God overrules any parental right over the life of the child with His command - Do not murder.

Who said anything about murder?

 

[Doctor.Sphinx]

Who said anything about murder?

I thought you mentioned it? You said "Including abortion?"

 

[HitchSlap]

I thought you mentioned it? You said "Including abortion?"

But abortion's not murder. If indeed you think it is, please provide a scripture explicitly stating this. In fact, one could make a case that your old testament god was in favor of abortion, infanticide and foreskins.

 

[Doctor.Sphinx]

But abortion's not murder. If indeed you think it is, please provide a scripture explicitly stating this. In fact, one could make a case that your old testament god was in favor of abortion, infanticide and foreskins.

Exactly the opposite, but this is not the topic at hand.

Genesis 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

An unborn child is a man - whosoever shed's his blood, by man shall his blood be shed.

 

[HitchSlap]

Exactly the opposite, but this is not the topic at hand.

Genesis 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

An unborn child is a man - whosoever shed's his blood, by man shall his blood be shed.

That's it? One verse... out of context.

At what point does a zygote become a human?

 

[devolved]

Yeah, but what of these was actually found to be healthy for the people, and at the time it was performed? And even going back to the ancient cultures, I'm sure most would even admit (with the descriptions), that the rituals were given by demons (tyrant-like "gods").

Well, actually a modern human thinking that snipping a part of the foreskin as a healthy ritual, with plentiful medical evidence suggesting that there are no benefits... that would be quite bizarre, especially if it would be used as in defense of INTELLEGENT DESIGN .

That would be like claiming that amputation of legs from diabetics is a healthy practice (as a preventive measure).

It's not.

 

[Doctor.Sphinx]

Well, actually a modern human thinking that snipping a part of the foreskin as a healthy ritual, with plentiful medical evidence suggesting that there are no benefits... that would be quite bizarre, especially if it would be used as in defense of INTELLEGENT DESIGN .

That would be like claiming that amputation of legs from diabetics is a healthy practice (as a preventive measure).

It's not.

So what about all the other health related laws in the bible? Do you also dispute these, or agree but put it down to coincidence? Or what about prophecies?

If you are already predisposed to rejecting all the evidence you are provided with, of course you are going to come to the pre-arranged conclusion. But there's nothing scientific or open-minded about this, and people see right through it, hence the reluctance by Christians to debate such people on the issue.

 

[Doctor.Sphinx]

That's it? One verse... out of context.

At what point does a zygote become a human?

Can you give even one example of a species (more correctly a kind) conceiving something not of that species (or kind)?

 

[devolved]

So what about all the other health related laws in the bible? Do you also dispute these, or agree but put it down to coincidence? Or what about prophecies?

None of these health laws are so above and beyond what you would expect from contemporary culture that you would credit these as a special proof of God.

What would you consider a noteworthy that couldn't be directly observed and deduced by that culture? The fact that after people ate pork or shellfish they get sick? The fact that you should not defecate where you sleep? The fact that quarantine is a good idea?

You know what a good health advice could probably be noteworthy? Boil milk or food before you give it to your children. I'm not even talking about the modern medical discoveries that would be very impressive to find in that culture.

Even a stance of vegetarianism would be impressive. But we don't really see anything that you would not expect to see in that culture.

When it comes to prophesy... You typically have:

1) One author's claim that some prophesy is fulfilled with something that was recorded. In many cases the NT authors refer back to non-prophesys and claim that these were. Google the one about virgin will have a son.

Or the author writes after the event happened like the distruction of Jerusalem... And claims that there was a prophesy about it.
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2) A cultural attitude that creates something as a cultural goal and makes it happen. For example, someone predicting that Donald Trump wins was impressive in context of seemingly unlikely things to happen... But not that impressive when we consider broader factors of culture that wanted a certain change.

3) a vague metaphor that people fill in with their own interpretation of what it refers to.

4) A generic prediction like "knowledge will increase"

Overall, the only prophesy that really matters is about Jesus second coming. If that happens... Outside of some aliens faking it... It would be a more conclusive view of miracles and prophesy in general. It has not happened yet.

If you are already predisposed to rejecting all the evidence you are provided with, of course you are going to come to the pre-arranged conclusion. But there's nothing scientific or open-minded about this, and people see right through it, hence the reluctance by Christians to debate such people on the issue.

I'm not. I actually believe God exists and that Christianity is valid in some context of that belief.

I don't view Bible in the same way you would though. It's obviously man's attempt to describe God. And it's very likely that it is a poetic attempt in aform of an epic rather than an actual history. Ancient epic often incorporates history to convey moral story.

 

[Jjmcubbin]

That's it? One verse... out of context.

At what point does a zygote become a human?

You mean an embryo. A zygote is just one cell.

 

[HitchSlap]

You mean an embryo. A zygote is just one cell.

Nope. I mean a zygote. Look it up, Google is your friend.

 

[HitchSlap]

Can you give even one example of a species (more correctly a kind) conceiving something not of that species (or kind)?

At what point does a zygote become a human? Every time a woman menstruates do you consider it an abortion? After all, each unfertilized ovum is a potential human. Or every time a man [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]? That's millions of wasted sperm cells every time, with only one needed for fertilization? What's up with that? I thought your god believed in the "sanctity of life."

 

[Speedwell]

Can you give even one example of a species (more correctly a kind) conceiving something not of that species (or kind)?

No. There is no "hard line" between species such that we can determine the exact point at which one species has evolved into another. Likewise, there is no "hard line" such that we can determine the exact point at which the zygote has developed into a human infant.

 

[AV1611VET]

Still no evidence for creation/ID?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Masturbation.

Circumcision doesn't reduce masturbation, except for in the rare person that ends up with practically no feeling or outright pain from the act. Which are not the most common outcomes from the procedure.

I disagree with this. Parental consent should be given for all medical procedures, irrespective of the perceived risk/severity.

-_- a view that has resulted in children dying because their parents think crystals can heal them and other such nonsense. My fiance's mother tried to have him exorcised, for crying out loud. Despite the fact that parents should be reliable health advocates for their children, this isn't always the case. I would rather not leave children to the mercy of ignorant or insane parents, so rather than trust the parents by default, I would say children above or equal to the age of 12 should have agency when it comes to procedures that are a matter of life and death, and that the default would be the most typical treatment direction taken for children younger than that age whom lack a sane health advocate.