Steve - I Am Here

[steverock]

This song is beutiful - i'm loving it at the moment
here's the lyrics

"I Am Here
Shed a tear now,
shed a tear for all the years of love,
lay your fear down,
lay the fears you're holding near your heart.

Cos I am here now,
silently you'll know it's me each day,
cos I am near now,
so know that the near isn't far away.

Play the music,
a melody when days are long and grey,
raise your head now,
raise your head and embrace the brighter day.

Cos I am here now,
silently you'll know it's me each day,
cos I am near now,
knowing that the near isn't far away.

Cos I am here now,
wear a smile along the miles we race,
cos I am near now,
here comes a time where we'll
meet face to face."

if you can listen to it do! - it's just a piano and a bit of strings and it sounds quality!

 

[Gooney1]

Dood

[updown] Hey Dave[/updown]

It's Gooney

Steve rok seriously well!!!!!!!!!

 

[Ginsu]

Do they have a webpage?

 

[bleechers]

OK, OK, time for everybody to hate me... but... let me introduce a thought or two for us to contemplate... let us "search the scriptures"...

1 - I get a little fearful when anyone purports to speak for God. I guess it's OK to paraphrase God's promises to us in song, but I think too often CCM goes a bit too far and takes a little too much liberty is speaking words that God did not speak. This can be a dangerous endeavor.

God is very jealous of His words. He states clearly in the Bible that he hates when anybody says that which He has not said and do it in His name.

2 - I am not sure to whom the words are supposed to be addressed...? I am assuming to believers, because God does not comfort unbelievers in any manner like that which is suggested in the lyrics.

That's why songs like "Christmas Shoes" trouble me. The song suggests that anyone who dies is greeted by Jesus (whether they meant to imply that or not, CBS seemed to read it that way).

Don't slaughter me I'm just asking that we "search the scriptures whether these things are so." I couldn't hurt.

Not trying to be a wet blanket! I promise! I appreciate the sentiments of the song... just trying to keep us all in the Word.

 

[steverock]

Do they have a webpage?

yeh
www.steverock.com

 

[steverock]

OK, OK, time for everybody to hate me... but... let me introduce a thought or two for us to contemplate... let us "search the scriptures"...

1 - I get a little fearful when anyone purports to speak for God. I guess it's OK to paraphrase God's promises to us in song, but I think too often CCM goes a bit too far and takes a little too much liberty is speaking words that God did not speak. This can be a dangerous endeavor.

God is very jealous of His words. He states clearly in the Bible that he hates when anybody says that which He has not said and do it in His name.

2 - I am not sure to whom the words are supposed to be addressed...? I am assuming to believers, because God does not comfort unbelievers in any manner like that which is suggested in the lyrics.

That's why songs like "Christmas Shoes" trouble me. The song suggests that anyone who dies is greeted by Jesus (whether they meant to imply that or not, CBS seemed to read it that way).

Don't slaughter me I'm just asking that we "search the scriptures whether these things are so." I couldn't hurt.

Not trying to be a wet blanket! I promise! I appreciate the sentiments of the song... just trying to keep us all in the Word.

well the lyrics may not be entirely biblically sound (i.e written in scripture) but there's nothing wrong with it because he does comfort people - as it says in the bible (cant remember a specific verse ).

in the sleeve of their album it says of the song:
"'I am Here' was written out of the experience of losing my dad. It captures my thoughts, feelings and what God showed me at the time."

the lyrics are what he felt God was saying to him and i dont think there's anything wrong with that. it can be encouraging to listen to a song like that so that you're reminded that God's there through anything you go through.

listen to song if you can - you'll see what i mean(it's beautiful!)

 

[bleechers]

well the lyrics may not be entirely biblically sound (i.e written in scripture) but there's nothing wrong with it because he does comfort people - as it says in the bible

Oh absolutely! He does comfort His own! I guess I would prefer to see this truth expressed from our point of view in our words. Stating it from His point of view and supposing to quote Him, can be dangerous.

the lyrics are what he felt God was saying to him and i dont think there's anything wrong with that.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but Jospeh Smith though God was talking to Him, the Council of Trent felt as though God was revealing truth through them. The only way we know what is "true" and what God has truly and universally said is by reading the scripture.

I can say "I feel as though God is leading me to move to England," but I cannot say "God has told me to move to England." And I surely cannot say "God specifically said 'Michael, you should sell your car and buy a hovercraft and go to England. For I am the God of hovercrafts and shall guide all blessed hovercrafts to Dover.'"

The last two would be revelations beyond scripture and therefore no one could actually search the scriptures whether what I claimed was true (cp Acts 17:11).

We just all need to be very careful when we "quote" God.


Deuteronoy 18
20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

Jeremiah 23
31 Behold, I am against the prophets, saith Jehovah, that use their tongues, and say, He hath said.
32 Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith Jehovah, and that tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies and by their boasting; and I have not sent them, nor commanded them; and they profit not this people at all, saith Jehovah.

 

[Hobo No More]

Yeah Steve are cool.

I have seen them a few times and they are great live. Steverock, do you have the falling down album, 'M' is a great song from that album.

I had a dream about Steve yesterday where for some reason they were playing on a saturday morning tv show on BBC1 called 'The Saturday show'. They played a new song and i heard it all and it was good. Near the end an orchestra played but they were sat playing their instruments with the audience who were also sat down. Steve were treated like big celebrities. Random dream.

 

[steverock]

The last two would be revelations beyond scripture and therefore no one could actually search the scriptures whether what I claimed was true (cp Acts 17:11).

We just all need to be very careful when we "quote" God.

completely agree. but i dont think that there's anything wrong with THIS song i just think they're trying to express how God is there for us. i think they are relating the way that God is described as a comforter to their own experience. i.e thats what they "felt" God would have been saying to them.

 

[steverock]

Yeah Steve are cool.

I have seen them a few times and they are great live. Steverock, do you have the falling down album, 'M' is a great song from that album.

I had a dream about Steve yesterday where for some reason they were playing on a saturday morning tv show on BBC1 called 'The Saturday show'. They played a new song and i heard it all and it was good. Near the end an orchestra played but they were sat playing their instruments with the audience who were also sat down. Steve were treated like big celebrities. Random dream.

OH YEH FALLING DOWN!!!! also have Prelude EP!
'M' is brilliant as is 'Fine' and 'I Am Here'.
Have you seen them live? THEY ROCK!!!!! lead guitarist has SOOO much flair its criminal!
i think with that dream you've been listening to Steve a bit to much !

 

[Gooney1]

I have seen them three times live now and they are really good!

Any knowledge of forth coming music albums?

 

[Acts 17:11]

Attributing words to God that He didn't say is dangerous even if it is comforting.

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. (Rev. 22:18-19)

God does not allow us to put words in His mouth.

 

[Hobo No More]

Yeah Prelude is amazing. Cannonball is a great song. Yeah, I've seen them three times too. Joe, the drummer is really good and is a great addition to the band. I saw them at Festival Manchester which was a great gig.

 

[Live2Serve]

Any knowledge of forth coming music albums?

I was talking to a friend a little while ago and we're having them up for a local event he organises, and I asked him that question as I really like Falling down and he said something about them recoridng new matterial, but since then they've released the prelude EP. But it would be nice wouldn't it. But anyway hopefully next time I see them (Jul 10th) hopefully we'll see some of the EP material live. I don't remember them performing any of it on the YFriday, Steve, TBWNN tour which was hte last time I saw them live (but I was a bit busy, so might not have noticed.)

Chris :o)

 

[steverock]

I was talking to a friend a little while ago and we're having them up for a local event he organises, and I asked him that question as I really like Falling down and he said something about them recoridng new matterial, but since then they've released the prelude EP. But it would be nice wouldn't it. But anyway hopefully next time I see them (Jul 10th) hopefully we'll see some of the EP material live. I don't remember them performing any of it on the YFriday, Steve, TBWNN tour which was hte last time I saw them live (but I was a bit busy, so might not have noticed.)

Chris :o)

i went to that tour and they definately did "Cannonball" from their EP - i think it was the song they opened with. last time i saw them live too.

 

[steverock]

Attributing words to God that He didn't say is dangerous even if it is comforting.

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. (Rev. 22:18-19)

God does not allow us to put words in His mouth.

i think they were singing what they felt God was saying to them or how they feel he would comfort them. Listen to the song!

 

[b-boy champ]

/start rant/

bleechers he was only reccomending a good ol' rock band to listen too. If you don't want to listen to them then don't, but there's no need for all the heavily qoutation of the scriptures. If there was anything dodgy about them then they wouldn't have been allowed to play at Soul Survivor!

/end rant/

 

[bleechers]

Thanks, b-boy.

If you don't want to listen to them then don't,

Umm, can't I (shouldn't I) raise a legitimate biblical issue? I was gentle enough. I just asked that we be careful when we suppose to speak for God. I had no problem with the responses to that. The concept of how they "felt" God was comforting them is OK... I just raised the concern...

but there's no need for all the heavily qoutation of the scriptures.

"Heavy"? Three verses in two places is "heavy"?

I should think if I was raising a biblical concern that you would want me to point to the place from which the concern was discerned. Don't you? That way, folks can "search the scriptures" for themselves and make their own conclusions.

 

[Gooney1]

Bleechers I don't think you were heavy man! but the fact that I ain't sure bout the not saying stuff that peeps feel God wants them to say if it is from him.

I know that in my church we have plenty of words, revelations given that start with the words " I believe God would want to say..." etc.

I ain't sure that it is sooo wrong if we mean it and it changes us!

 

[bleechers]

The problem, Gooney1, is how do we check what someone claims to say in the name of God? Since "the faith" has already been delievered to us (Jude 3) and nobody can add or subtract from the gospel (Gal 1) and since it is the scripture which has the final word on every doctrinal issue (Acts 17)...?

I trust that when someone from your church says that they believe God would lead in a certain way, Bibles flip open and the search begins!

The NT is complete and contains all that we need "that pertains unto life and Godliness." It has all we need "that the man of God may be perfect, fully equipped unto every good work."

Attempting to add "additional revelation" to that completed, final word is a dangerous endeavor (see Mormonism, Christian Science, Catholicism, Moonism, etc.). God will never lead in a way that is in contradiction with His revealed Word.

We can pray for wisdom and leading, but in either case, God will not reveal any more "truth" nor will he lead in opposition to his Word (as mentioned).

I'm just raising a red flag and encouraging all of us to "search the scriptures whether these things are so." In my songwriting, I would never presume to speak for God things that He did not say.