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[Douggg]

Honestly Doug I’m not looking for him nor do I expect him anytime soon

I’m looking for Jesus to return to the sky He is my main concern

And I’m ready for Him ..my bags are packed .. I’m ready to take this trip to see my Father in heaven…#heavenbound

I too am not looking for the little horn person as being a source of hope. But I watching world events unfold in fulfillment of bible prophecy.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Here is a simplified "step-by-step" outline of the coming 7 year 70th week.

Ongoing 70th week since the Cross until the Consummation (Second Coming).

1. day 1 confirmation of the covenant by "the Antichrist" - 7 years begin.

Day 1 - Confirmation of the New Covenant by Messiah the Prince, Jesus Christ AT THE CROSS. The New Testament Congregation begins. Nothing to do with the so-called peace treaty or Mt. Sinai Covenant with the nation Israel.

2. 3 years later - the ToD (transgression of desolation) act by the Antichrist (end of the false messianic age).

After 1,260 days of faithful testimony of Two Witnesses and the sealing of Israel is finished, Satan comes out of a bottomless pit and killed (silence) Two Witnesses that will lie dead in the city for 3-1/2 days. ( a period of silence of testimony). This is apostasy and great tribulation FOR the Elect in the church. This was when Christ has caused the sacrifice necessary for salvation to cease because He has finished building His church.

3. Hostilities break out and "the revealed man of sin" is assassinated.

After 3-1/2 days, the abomination of desolation starts in unfaithful congregation but the Spirit of Life comes upon Two Witnesses and starts prophesying judgment against unfaithful congregation as they flee from unfaithful congregation. This marked the 1,290th day and abomination of desolation. Desolation is when God judges the church.

4. Returns to life, and becomes "the beast".

The period between 1,290th day and 1,335th day is the "hour" of the judgment of the unfaithful harlot.

5. AoD (abomination of desolation) statue image made of the beast, placed on the temple mount, the great tribulation begins on day 1185 of the 7 years. 1335 days before Jesus returns.

After the hour of judgment, Christ returns on 1,335th day of the final week.

 

[TribulationSigns]

I’m wondering what the true significance of this confirmation of the covenant

It’s gotta be more that just a peace treaty between Jerusalem and the nations

There is something here …keep digging

Scripture has the answer.

Heb 9:14-17
(14) How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
(15) And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
(16) For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
(17) For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

The testament is same as covenant. Like a will, one needs to die in order to strengthen the covenant which Christ did at the Cross! Nothing to do with man-made or speculation of "peace treaty" or "Mount Sinai Covenant." It is the New Covenant that is better than the old or Douggg's Mt Sinai covenant.

Heb 8:6-10
(6) But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
(7) For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
(8) For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
(9) Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
(10) For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

A better covenant, NOT a Covenant from Mount Sinai! It is New Covenant.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Item 1.

If you are referring to the book of Daniel 9 .... it's referring to the Messiah the prince (Jesus) not the anti-christ.

Indeed!

 

[grafted branch]

1. day 1 confirmation of the covenant by "the Antichrist" - 7 years begin.

In Deuteronomy 31:9-13, Moses made a requirement to all future leaders of Israel - to confirm (the word is not in the text, but it is essentially what he meant) the Mt. Sinai covenant on a 7 year cycle - which is in the text.

You are associating the Daniel 9:27 seven year covenant with Deuteronomy 31:9-13 reading of the law.

From Chabad.org the next sabbatical year is 9-20-28 through 9-9-29. From what I understand the reading of the law takes place during the feast of tabernacles, but unless the Daniel 9:27 covenant(your view of the covenant) is signed on the specific day the sabbatical year ends, there would be no need to sign an exact 7 year covenant. For instance if a the Daniel 9:27 covenant was signed this coming Monday 5-15-23, this wouldn’t line up with the sabbatical cycle, a 6 year 4 month covenant would suffice to get them past the coming sabbatical year.

We know that 39 stripes were used instead of 40 to make sure the law was kept, just in case the count was off. Why would the Jews agree to a 7 year covenant while being being fully aware of Daniel 9:27 and the danger of a 7 year agreement?

Deuteronomy 31:9-13 only requires the law be read every 7 years, a 7 year covenant isn’t required. They could make a 8 year covenant followed by a 6 year covenant which totals 14 years (two 7 year cycles) without the danger of the 7 year covenant. It doesn’t make sense that the Jews will ignore Daniel and agree to a 7 year covenant.

 

[eleos1954]

Part of Daniel 9 certainly is talking about the Jesus.

The 7 years of Daniel 9:27 includes the 2300 days time of the end vision about the little horn person.

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The little horn person becomes the prince who shall come,

who then becomes the Antichrist (who confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant for Moses' requirement on a 7 years cycle),

who then becomes the revealed man of sin,

who then becomes the beast of Revelation.

seven common characteristics between the little horn of Daniel chapters 7 and 8: 1.

both are described as a horn; both are persecuting powers (Dan. 7:21, Dan. 7:25; Dan. 8:10, Dan. 8:24); both are self-exalting and blasphemous (Dan. 7:8, Dan. 7:20, Dan. 7:25; Dan. 8:10-11, Dan. 8:25); both target God’s people (Dan. 7:25, Dan. 8:24); both have aspects of their activity delineated by prophetic time (Dan. 7:25; Dan. 8:13-14); both extend until the end of time (Dan. 7:25-26; Dan. 8:17, Dan. 8:19); and both are to be supernaturally destroyed (Dan. 7:11, Dan. 7:26; Dan. 8:25).

There is only one power that fits all these and that is the papacy.

The 2300 day prophecy shows when the cleaning of the sanctuary began (judgement in heaven) .... how long that takes to be completed (By Jesus) is unknown to us .... there is not a time frame given from the beginning of judgment to the return of Jesus .... there are events described that must/will take place .... this is why we are always to be ready .... because the actual time of Jesus return is unknown.

The end time speaks of Babylon

“Babylon” is derived from “Babel,” and signifies confusion. It is employed in Scripture to designate the various forms of false or apostate religion. In Revelation 17 Babylon is represented as a woman—a figure which is used in the Bible as the symbol of a church, a virtuous woman representing a pure church, a vile woman an apostate church.

Babylon is said to be “the mother of harlots.” . . . The message of Revelation 14, announcing the fall of Babylon must apply to religious bodies that were once pure and have become corrupt. Since this message follows the warning of the judgment, it must be given in the last days; therefore it cannot refer to the Roman Church alone, for that church has been in a fallen condition for many centuries.

Babylon represents the full scope of false teachings about God .... however is led by the "mother of all harlots" (the little horn) in a deceptive manner.

Fornicates with the kings of the earth ..... what other religious power interacts with ALL the kings of the earth other than the papacy?

Revelation 17:2
King James Bible
With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

Revelation 13:3​

ESVOne of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed, and the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast.

It is a massive deception. The unification of church and state on a global basis. This happened another time in history .... it's called the dark ages .... same thing will happen one day.

Ecclesiastes 1:9
New International Version​

9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.

 

[Douggg]

You are associating the Daniel 9:27 seven year covenant with Deuteronomy 31:9-13 reading of the law.

There is not a "seven year covenant" in Daniel 9:27. The 7 years is the confirmation cycle, intended by Moses to be done as long as Israel in the land.

Why would the Jews agree to a 7 year covenant while being being fully aware of Daniel 9:27 and the danger of a 7 year agreement?

Again, it is not a 7 year covenant. The 7 years is the confirmation cycle.

There is not "a 7 year agreement" - although many Christians have projected the covenant to be a peace treaty agreement with a 7 years stipulation to it.

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Yes, you are right that the confirmation of the covenant for the 7 year cycle as required by Moses is to be done on the feast of tabernacles, an annual fall feast that the Jews observe.

Also to coincide with the year of release - i.e. in the Sabbatical year. Deuteronomy 31:10.

The is one possibility though that the Antichrist does not adhere to either - is in Daniel 7:25, he thinks to change the times and seasons.

Therefore, it remains to be seen how things transpire. You have made several valid points with your research and investigation. We will see. We are all Christians here on the same team in the big picture.

 

[Douggg]

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seven common characteristics between the little horn of Daniel chapters 7 and 8: 1.

both are described as a horn; both are persecuting powers (Dan. 7:21, Dan. 7:25; Dan. 8:10, Dan. 8:24); both are self-exalting and blasphemous (Dan. 7:8, Dan. 7:20, Dan. 7:25; Dan. 8:10-11, Dan. 8:25); both target God’s people (Dan. 7:25, Dan. 8:24); both have aspects of their activity delineated by prophetic time (Dan. 7:25; Dan. 8:13-14); both extend until the end of time (Dan. 7:25-26; Dan. 8:17, Dan. 8:19); and both are to be supernaturally destroyed (Dan. 7:11, Dan. 7:26; Dan. 8:25).

There is only one power that fits all these and that is the papacy.

The 2300 day prophecy shows when the cleaning of the sanctuary began (judgement in heaven) .... how long that takes to be completed (By Jesus) is unknown to us .... there is not a time frame given from the beginning of judgment to the return of Jesus .... there are events described that must/will take place .... this is why we are always to be ready .... because the actual time of Jesus return is unknown.

The end time speaks of Babylon

“Babylon” is derived from “Babel,” and signifies confusion. It is employed in Scripture to designate the various forms of false or apostate religion. In Revelation 17 Babylon is represented as a woman—a figure which is used in the Bible as the symbol of a church, a virtuous woman representing a pure church, a vile woman an apostate church.

Babylon is said to be “the mother of harlots.” . . . The message of Revelation 14, announcing the fall of Babylon must apply to religious bodies that were once pure and have become corrupt. Since this message follows the warning of the judgment, it must be given in the last days; therefore it cannot refer to the Roman Church alone, for that church has been in a fallen condition for many centuries.

Babylon represents the full scope of false teachings about God .... however is led by the "mother of all harlots" (the little horn) in a deceptive manner.

Fornicates with the kings of the earth ..... what other religious power interacts with ALL the kings of the earth other than the papacy?

Revelation 17:2
King James Bible
With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

Revelation 13:3​

ESVOne of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed, and the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast.

It is a massive deception. The unification of church and state on a global basis. This happened another time in history .... it's called the dark ages .... same thing will happen one day.

Ecclesiastes 1:9​

New International Version​

9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.

eleos, how does the pope or anyone else defile the sanctuary (temple) in heaven, in order that God's temple in heaven needs to be cleansed ?

Also there has been no earthly sanctuary (temple) here on earth in Jerusalem during the entire reign of Popes. The last temple was destroyed in 70 ad.

 

[grafted branch]

There is not a "seven year covenant" in Daniel 9:27. The 7 years is the confirmation cycle, intended by Moses to be done as long as Israel in the land.

Ok, if I understand you correctly then you’re saying the word “covenant” in Daniel 9:27 can be replaced with “Deuteronomy 31 covenant”.

Which would look like this in Daniel 9:27, And he shall confirm the Deuteronomy 31 covenant with many for one Deuteronomy 31 sabbatical cycle: and in the midst of the Deuteronomy 31 sabbatical cycle he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease …

Since the covenant is confirmed (<1396> to be strong, mighty) for one week or one Deuteronomy 31 Sabbatical cycle, regardless of when or for how long this is confirmed, it would contain at at least one full Deuteronomy 31 sabbatical cycle before the sacrifices cease in the middle of one of the following sabbatical cycles.

Wouldn’t this cause the Antichrist to be in power for 10.5 years (7 + 3.5) or more before the sacrifice is ceased?

 

[TribulationSigns]

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You believe that Christ confirmed a covenant with baptism?! Where is Scripture support for this.

 

[Douggg]

Ok, if I understand you correctly then you’re saying the word “covenant” in Daniel 9:27 can be replaced with “Deuteronomy 31 covenant”.

Which would look like this in Daniel 9:27, And he shall confirm the Deuteronomy 31 covenant with many for one Deuteronomy 31 sabbatical cycle: and in the midst of the Deuteronomy 31 sabbatical cycle he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease …

Since the covenant is confirmed (<1396> to be strong, mighty) for one week or one Deuteronomy 31 Sabbatical cycle, regardless of when or for how long this is confirmed, it would contain at at least one full Deuteronomy 31 sabbatical cycle before the sacrifices cease in the middle of one of the following sabbatical cycles.

Wouldn’t this cause the Antichrist to be in power for 10.5 years (7 + 3.5) or more before the sacrifice is ceased?

grafted branch, I may not be following you correctly....but.... One sabbatical cycle would be 7 years. Within the midst of that sabbatical cycle - not the next one - the Antichrist will cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease.

 

[keras]

16 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.

Jesus became the cornerstone who the builders refused, Psalms 118:22. Jesus is the cornerstone of our faith.

The use of 'Therefore' in v 16, proves that Jesus is the One we must trust, not as in Isaiah 28:14-15; by making a peace treaty with the leader of the One World Govt.
Please have the moral fortitude to admit these verses are related and they apply to the future leader of the OWG and to the leaders of the new nation in the holy Land. As Daniel 9:27 & 11:32 say.

The KJV wrongly calls it a covenant, - it will simply be a Treaty, an agreement for peace for the next seven years.
God does not make 7 year Covenants.

 

[grafted branch]

grafted branch, I may not be following you correctly....but.... One sabbatical cycle would be 7 years. Within the midst of that sabbatical cycle - not the next one - the Antichrist will cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease.

Right, one sabbatical cycle is seven years. In order for the Deuteronomy 31 covenant, sabbatical cycle, to be confirmed it would take seven years else its not a sabbatical cycle.

Kinda like trying to say Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday is a week. It’s not a week, it’s three days. It takes seven days to make a week and it takes seven years to make a sabbatical cycle which would mean in your view that it takes seven years to have a Deuteronomy 31/Daniel 9:27 covenant.

 

[Douggg]

The use of 'Therefore' in v 16, proves that Jesus is the One we must trust, not as in Isaiah 28:14-15; by making a peace treaty with the leader of the One World Govt.

There won't be a peace treaty. And we are not reading about a One World Gov't in Daniel 9.

Daniel 9:27 is the confirmation of the Mt. Sinai covenant. The same covenant that Daniel was praying about his people having transgressed and as a result went into the Babylonian captivity.

In Isaiah 28, both Ephraim, the northern ten tribes, and Jerusalem, part of the southern two tribes - had allowed idol worship to become prevalent in the land. Thus, they were faced with Divine judgment in the form of the Assyrians and Babylonians for their unrighteousness.

In their haste, Israel made a covenant with Egypt to protect them. Their covenant with Egypt, however, did not protect them when the scourge of the Assyrians and Babylonians passed through.

God, in verse 16-17, is saying that to deal with unrighteousness among the house of Israel, he would a place a cornestone, as the foundation for righteousness. We know that cornerstone to be Jesus.

 

[Douggg]

Kinda like trying to say Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday is a week. It’s not a week, it’s three days. It takes seven days to make a week and it takes seven years to make a sabbatical cycle which would mean in your view that it takes seven years to have a Deuteronomy 31/Daniel 9:27 covenant.

Yes, from the day that the Antichrist confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant - to the day of Jesus's return - will be seven years.

 

[grafted branch]

Yes, from the day that the Antichrist confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant - to the day of Jesus's return - will be seven years.

Does all Israel hear the law read to them? This is what the covenant, as you put it, in Deuteronomy 31:11 says will happen. Or are they going to flee when they see the AOD?

 

[Douggg]

Does all Israel hear the law read to them? This is what the covenant, as you put it, in Deuteronomy 31:11 says will happen. Or are they going to flee when they see the AOD?

Yes, it will be a world-wide televised event. The AoD is something that happens 1185 days later after that event.

The AoD will be a statue image of the beast (the former Antichrist who has revealed himself to be the man of sin) placed on the temple mount.

As you have probably already concluded, the temple mount will be the focal point of all the major activities.

When Jesus returns, Jesus will stand on the Mt. of Olives directly across the Kidron valley, facing the temple mount - where the beast, the false prophet, and Satan will be .

 

[grafted branch]

Yes, it will be a world-wide televised event. The AoD is something that happens 1185 days later after that event.

The AoD will be a statue image of the beast (the former Antichrist who has revealed himself to be the man of sin) placed on the temple mount.

As you have probably already concluded, the temple mount will be the focal point of all the major activities.

When Jesus returns, Jesus will stand on the Mt. of Olives directly across the Kidron valley, facing the temple mount - where the beast, the false prophet, and Satan will be .

Deuteronomy 31:10-11 And Moses commanded them, saying, At the end of every seven years, in the solemnity of the year of release, in the feast of tabernacles, 11 When all Israel is come to appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose, thou shalt read this law before all Israel in their hearing.

The reading of the law occurs in the seventh year.

There could be a reading of the law in the prior sabbatical cycle that’s 1185 days prior to the AOD but the reading of the law for the covenant/sabbatical cycle that’s confirmed in Daniel 9:27 would have to take place after the AOD and after they fled.

 

[Douggg]

Deuteronomy 31:10-11 And Moses commanded them, saying, At the end of every seven years, in the solemnity of the year of release, in the feast of tabernacles, 11 When all Israel is come to appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose, thou shalt read this law before all Israel in their hearing.

The reading of the law occurs in the seventh year.

There could be a reading of the law in the prior sabbatical cycle that’s 1185 days prior to the AOD but the reading of the law for the covenant/sabbatical cycle that’s confirmed in Daniel 9:27 would have to take place after the AOD and after they fled.

The feast of tabernacles takes place just after the beginning of a Jewish new year (Rosh Hashanah). For 2023, for example, it looks like this.

Rosh Hashanah (2023) - September 15-17
feast of Tabernacles (2023) - September 29 - October 6

The next shmita year (the year of release) according to Jewish tradition is 2028-2029. Which I think you have already pointed out.

So, in order to coincide with Jewish tradition, the confirmation of the covenant would be in the fall of 2028. 1185 days later the AoD would take place.

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Whether events take place in accordance with Jewish tradition of when they have calculated the shmita years relevant to the Gregorian calendar remains to be seen.

Nonetheless, it is likely that the confirming of the covenant by the Antichrist will be in the fall during the feast of tabernacles, of whatever year the Gog/Magog event has taken place.

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Gog/Magog could be this year, the way events in Ukraine is shaping up. In Ezekiel 38, it says God puts hooks in Gog's jaw and turns him back.

So that could mean that if Russia attempts to withdraw and head back to Russia, some events in the middle east involving Israel and the Muslims nations could force Russia to be dragged into it because of pacts and commitments that they have made with muslim nations.

 

[grafted branch]

The feast of tabernacles takes place just after the beginning of a Jewish new year (Rosh Hashanah). For 2023, for example, it looks like this.

Rosh Hashanah (2023) - September 15-17
feast of Tabernacles (2023) - September 29 - October 6

The next shmita year (the year of release) according to Jewish tradition is 2028-2029. Which I think you have already pointed out.

So, in order to coincide with Jewish tradition, the confirmation of the covenant would be in the fall of 2028. 1185 days later the AoD would take place.

Ok, maybe I’m not comprehending this but when I look at Deuteronomy 31:10 it says “at the end of every seven years … in the feast of tabernacles”. I would place this event in September, at the beginning of the seventh and final year of the sabbatical cycle.

The beginning of the next seven year sabbatical cycle would be the following Rosh Hashanah.

I don’t know how accurate the Chabad.org date of 9-9-29 is for the last day of the next sabbatical year (sabbatical year = the last year of the sabbatical cycle) is, and I don’t want to violate this forum’s rules about setting dates, but let’s just assume the next Deuteronomy 31 seven year cycle starts on 9-10-29.

Since the covenant is confirmed for one week or one Deuteronomy 31 Sabbatical cycle, if the next cycle (2029) is the Daniel 9:27 one that is confirmed then why would a reading of the law in 2028 be part of the Daniel 9:27 covenant that is confirmed?