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MariaRegina

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Dearest Jeff in Christ:

Christ is in our midst!

Again, have you ever talked with your shepherd, His Grace (who humbly does not want us mentioning his name) about this issue? Are you afraid to ask him a simple question? Go for it!

I have, and he would probably not agree with you.

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If one bishop has decided that such a policy is necessary for their church, fine... but others have decided differently. We should respect then and give them the benefit of the doubt that they are able to make the correct pastorial decisions for their own flocks without arguing my bishop is better than yours, why don't you ask my bishop, are you afraid?

I don't mean any offense, but it really seems like you're living in the past in a romanticised version of the glory days of Orthodoxy. It sounds like you're closing out all other Christians, and being completely unwilling to interact with them out of a fear that seems to have been bred into some Orthodox circles because of persecution and loses, using old cannons intended for different situations as justification. If your bishop does the same, he's not in agreement with a lot of other bishops, and none of our bishops are infallible, let alone incapable of any pastorial mistake. I'm glad that Orthodox is not stuck in the past, but it is a living tradition that addapts to the times and cultures it encounters to always spread the Gospel and save souls, without compormising the Orthodox faith. If your bishop has a more cautious policy than ours, I'm not going to debate you and call you a heretic or disobedient to the church, I'll give him the benifit of the doubt that there's good pastorial reason for it. I'm not going to try to impose my bishops' pastorial decisions upon you, as if I was worthy to participate in thier decision making. It would be nice if you would do the same, and not condemn the decisions of many holy Orthodox bishops in other juristictions. Your legalism has already caused scandle to at least 3 people.

If you want to post a statement from your bishop that challenges the decisions of the other bishops, or if he wants to post a message, then debate would be worthwhile, but this some unnamed bishop doesn't agree with you without any consideration to other factors is rediculous.
 
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My dearest joy in Christ: Coptic Christian:

We are just going around in circles. You aren't thinking logically.
Just be obedient to your bishop and we will all be happy.

Please let's just get back to icons and statues.
Have you seen the surge of interest in Icons?

There are many Catholics who are painting icons now, but some don't really look like icons.

Are there different styles of icons?

Is there any requirement about who can write an Icon in the Coptic Church? Can anyone do it?

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There are Byzantine style icons, Coptic style icons, Western style icons, and many more. It became popular to have Western icons in Coptic Churches, but now there's a big push to go back to proper icons. When an icon is written, it should be done properly, with strict fasting and prayer, and with certain techniches like starting with the dark colours, and progressing to the lighter colours. Anyone can do it, there are no orders involved. If they're used in Church, they should be consecrated by a bishop (Catholics just have a priest bless them, we must have a bishop consecrate them, what do other Orthodox do)? As long as there are no theological errors, and they have been properly consecrated, they're ok to use in Church. Less correct ones are sometimes used by individuals.
 
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Dearest joy in Christ,

Christ is Risen!

Within the Eastern Orthodox Church, there are various customs.

If the icon is a print, or a copy of an original icon, then it can be blessed by a priest. However, with the original icon, I think it is usually consecrated by the Bishop. The Bishop consecrates the Icons installed in the Church with Holy Chrism.

At the OCA Churches, a priest will usually place the icon on the altar or in the altar area, where it will remain during the Divine Liturgy. Then after the Divine Liturgy, the priest blesses it with holy water and gives it to the parishioner to install in their homes.

In the Greek Churches it is customary to bring the icon to church and leave it there for 40 days on the altar. It then becomes part of the church, so when you bring it home, you have part of the church in your home.

In the Antiochian Church, the priest will place the icon on the Altar during the Divine Liturgy and give it back immediately to the parishioner after Divine Liturgy has ended.

I do not know about other Orthodox jurisdictions: Romanians, Serbs, etc. Perhaps any viewers can contribute information about the practices they observe in their particular churches.

Any comments?

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