Statement by Mr. Hagin.

[SpiritPsalmist]

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Howdy, Quaffer!!!

 

[Plan 9]

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Could someone please explain to me what he means here?

Thanks,

Neal

Without reading more of the article (the book?) for context, I can't help you.
Based on other materials I've read by him, I suspect that he isn't saying what you think he's saying?

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Hagins Theology here taken right out of the Dakes Bible'

I love my Dakes... I have gone through 2 since 1974 and am into my third. I broke down last year and got a computer version of it. It is hard to believe the amount of work that went into this volume. If you decide to get one, get the large print version, cause the print in the regular version is small.
((( of course with anything you read in the way of notes and commentary... eat the hay and leave the sticks... ))))

 

[SavedByGrace3]

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Here come da judge!!!!

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

that's a peace sign . . . .you guys are tooooo funny.

Hey diddy, do I pass by your house on the way to CT?

 

[Andrew]

BTW its not "Mr Hagin" but Reverend Kenneth E. Hagin, so pls show some respect for the man of God who has gone on to be with Jesus.

Great to have you around Quaffer (with your mod hat on, that is!)

 

[Brother John]

BTW its not "Mr Hagin" but Reverend Kenneth E. Hagin, so pls show some respect for the man of God who has gone on to be with Jesus.

Great to have you around Quaffer (with your mod hat on, that is!)

I didn't not that Rev. Hagin passed!

shows you how much news I get.
WHen?
Your Bro.
John

 

[Andrew]

Bro John,

He passed on on Sep 19. More info from Kenneth Hagin Ministries website here:

http://www.rhema.org/latestupdate.cfm

Another great man of God Derek Prince also went on to be with Jesus recently (after Rev Hagin).

 

[Plan 9]

BTW its not "Mr Hagin" but Reverend Kenneth E. Hagin, so pls show some respect for the man of God who has gone on to be with Jesus.

Since every pamphlet I have by him simply says "Kenneth Hagin" on the cover and many charismatic ministers seem to prefer not to be called "Reverend", I'd have been hard pressed to know what other title to give him had I written the OP.
"Mister" is perfectly polite and shows respect where I come from. Is it not a term of respect where you live?

 

[Andrew]

Since every pamphlet I have by him simply says "Kenneth Hagin" on the cover and many charismatic ministers seem to prefer not to be called "Reverend", I'd have been hard pressed to know what other title to give him had I written the OP.
"Mister" is perfectly polite and shows respect where I come from. Is it not a term of respect where you live?

I take it you did not mean any disrespect. But there is a difference when it comes to the church.

In my church, when you call a deacon or pastor by his first name or use a "Mr" rather than Deacon... or Pastor... it is deemed as quite disrespectful becos you are not recognising the office that God has placed him in.

Another way of putting it is that one does not want to acknowledge the person as a Pastor or Deacon, for whatever reasons.

anyway, this is not the topic of the thread so lets just forget about it.

 

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"You are as much the incarnation of God as Jesus Christ was... the believer is as much an incarnation as was Jesus of Nazareth" Kenneth Hagin, "Word Of Faith" Dec. 1980, p. 14

Could someone please explain to me what he means here?

Thanks,

Neal

I believe that the full quote can be found in Hagin's book, Zoe: The God Kind of Life. When I get a chance I will look it up and give you the full context of the quote. From what I remember Hagin is basically speaking of the new birth and the "Christian" becoming a new creation.

I personally find nothing offensive about the quote. The "incarnation" refers to Christ having taken on flesh but "incarnation" is not even a blical term. It is just a term used to refer to a Biblical event. People sure get in an uproar over little to nothing.

It would be the same as if I had three of ... whatever ... computers, glasses, books, and I called them a TRINITY. People would probably take offense to it because religiously this term is used to refer to the triune God. Yet the word "trinity" is not even in the Bible (though the concept is). Why get so upset about someone using an unbiblical term to describe a Biblical event or principle?

 

[SavedByGrace3]

I personally find nothing offensive about the quote. The "incarnation" refers to Christ having taken on flesh but "incarnation" is not even a blical term. It is just a term used to refer to a Biblical event. People sure get in an uproar over little to nothing....
Why get so upset about someone using an unbiblical term to describe a Biblical event or principle?

he he he...
Good point.
People see what the want to see don't they VW.

 

[victoryword]

he he he...
Good point.
People see what the want to see don't they VW.

didaskalos

Some people like to HUNT for heresy (under the guise that they are "defending the faith" or "being a good berean"). To pull that quote out of it's original setting without Hagin's full explanation for it is proof positive that someone was looking for something to use against him. I could do that with ANY minister - Charismatic, Evangelical, or otherwise. It's easy to make anyone look heretical when we use these secular journalistic tactics.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

didaskalos

Some people like to HUNT for heresy (under the guise that they are "defending the faith" or "being a good berean"). To pull that quote out of it's original setting without Hagin's full explanation for it is proof positive that someone was looking for something to use against him. I could do that with ANY minister - Charismatic, Evangelical, or otherwise. It's easy to make anyone look heretical when we use these secular journalistic tactics.

I can not agree more VW. I have not only seen it happen again and again (I am a Charismatic-WOFer), but I have been the victim of such a smear. Cannot count the times I have personally been called a heretic, a false prophet, a false teacher... etc. etc. etc.. all based on some heresy hunter's drive by shooting tactics.

For a brief period during the mid 1990s I ventured into the Prophetic movement... but was so taken aback by what was going on there that I had to hit the road. I pray they are doing better now, but it was a mess 5 or six years ago. Everyone was calling everyone else false prophets. It was an example of the Biblical warnings about people getting into doctrinal truth they are not ready for.

 

[Plan 9]

I take it you did not mean any disrespect. But there is a difference when it comes to the church.

In my church, when you call a deacon or pastor by his first name or use a "Mr" rather than Deacon... or Pastor... it is deemed as quite disrespectful becos you are not recognising the office that God has placed him in.

Another way of putting it is that one does not want to acknowledge the person as a Pastor or Deacon, for whatever reasons.

anyway, this is not the topic of the thread so lets just forget about it.

First of all, I didn't write the OP. Secondly, if I don't go to his church, I have no way of knowing what title to give Rev. Hagin. Rev. is correct in my church, but I've been reproved too many times for addressing a charismatic minister in that manner to feel anything but sorry for the writer of the OP, who only wanted a question answered. "Mister" is respectful enough for my dad; he never felt anyone had to call him "Head Trustee" ____.

I agree that this is off-topic. Does anyone know the answer to the question asked in the OP? Does anyone have more of the text from which Rev. Hagin's quote was taken?

 

[Metanoia02]

Does anyone know the answer to the question asked in the OP? Does anyone have more of the text from which Rev. Hagin's quote was taken?

I ran a search on (Kenneth Hagin, incarnation) the results I have checked all view this in the negative. I have not found a resource that has defended this statement or provided a context to explain it. Still looking.

 

[Plan 9]

didaskalos

Some people like to HUNT for heresy (under the guise that they are "defending the faith" or "being a good berean"). To pull that quote out of it's original setting without Hagin's full explanation for it is proof positive that someone was looking for something to use against him. I could do that with ANY minister - Charismatic, Evangelical, or otherwise. It's easy to make anyone look heretical when we use these secular journalistic tactics.

We don't know that's what Neal's doing. He may have read the quote in that trunicated form to begin with. I'm sorry to say that Christian journalists are as prone to this unprofessional practice as secular jounalists and you're do right; it's an easy game to play.

You know, after reading some of the posts here, I'd be afraid to bring a question to this forum.
I think I'll go back to lurking where I belong.

Hi, didaskalos! How have you been?

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

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hey guy's. . .I believe the initial question was an honest one.

Thanks.

 

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Could someone please explain to me what he means here?

Thanks,

Neal

Neil,

I think he means something like when we teach that we become divinized. Met is right, he did not explain it the best way he could have but It sounds like he is saying something similar to what we teach, that when in grace we are the closest to God without actually being God.