State moves to remove powers from Department of Education, gives rulemaking and curriculum power directly to governor-appointed position

[essentialsaltes]

odd how you link queer themes, a behavior, to Civil Rights a non-behavioral issue.

I am linking the types of books that are being removed. (nor do I grant your premise)

 

[Pommer]

odd how you link queer themes, a behavior, to Civil Rights a non-behavioral issue.

Who first linked them?, wasn’t it those who sought to eliminate these themes from bookshelves?

 

[SimplyMe]

there is no double standard, there is the law and Democrats seem to think that they can ignore it or change it at will.

There is a clear double standard, if there wasn't, then Republicans wouldn't be removing books from school libraries (maybe, instead, moving it to a with parental consent area), in some areas are requiring American History to be taught certain ways (removing anything "negative" that makes the US look bad), and removing a parents rights to make some medical decisions for their children.

I won't argue that the Democrats don't have their own issues here, that they don't have a different double standard, but we have seen a clear double standard from Republicans, as well.

Whatever they "feel" in the moment is the right thing.

This sounds like a claim some Republicans make that isn't true.

The Declaration of Independence clearly states that the government exists to secure "Life, Liberty & the Pursuit of Happiness". Democrats don't acknowledge all of that. They want liberty at the expense of Life and Happiness.

They don't? Again, this sounds like you are listening to political soundbites and not actually talking to Democrats, or looking at what Democrats actually believe. In fact, Democrats would claim it is Republicans that are removing the "pursuit of happiness" by trying to force their morality on others, rather than realizing their are a number of beliefs in this country, even among Christians.

I am 52 and I have seen this go on by the Democrats on social issues my entire life. They vote for the most destructive policies and this is just the latest round. The divorce laws,

I'm sorry, when have you seen divorce laws really change, in your lifetime? Oddly, "no fault" divorce was championed by Republicans, by California Governor Ronald Reagan, shortly before your were born. Divorce laws haven't appreciably changed since then, that I can recall, and Republicans helped push the change, and have never fought to change them back (despite Reagan eventually claiming it was one of his worst mistakes).

the drug laws,

Again, this is one that not only Democrats are pushing. Much of the issue is that the "War on Drugs" has been an abject failure. It is rather odd going back to Reagan, the one who seemingly started the "war on drugs," but his administration also helped bring drugs into the US to help fund a war in Nicaragua. We see marijuana laws changing in Republican states, Ohio being the most recent, not just in Democratic states.

I think most, on both sides, realize that current US drug laws and policy aren't working. That isn't to say that all drugs should be legal, merely that we need to change the way we deal with them, on one hand trying to stop dealers while on the other helping those that are addicted to quit. I don't think it can be argued that the best way to stop drugs is to remove the demand for them.

the free sex laws,

I'm sorry, what free sex laws? Having lived through the 60s, there was plenty of free sex then and don't recall any laws banning it. So I'm not sure what you are talking about, what "free sex laws?"

the LBGTxyz laws,

Are you complaining about the Supreme Court overturning laws that allowed states to arrest people who have gay sex in the privacy of their homes? Or do you not feel gay people should have the right to legal protections for their long term relationships?

This sounds more like something where you believe your morality should be the law, not allowing the "pursuit of Happiness."

the free theft laws,

What "free theft laws?" Please point out those laws. I'll agree that some cities are doing a poor job of enforcing the laws they have on the books but that is not a "Democrat" position, rather something unique to those cities. We'll see what the voters have to say in the next DA elections.

the defund the police laws,

Again, not a Democrat position -- particularly with the current Democratic President strongly coming out against those types of laws when he campaigned in 2020. It is also worth noting that even those that held those ideas, it wasn't so much to completely remove funds from police, rather it was more an idea to remove some funding and put it in areas of crime prevention -- particularly to give money to help mental health issues that cause significant crime in the US.

the kill your kid laws,

Again, not just Democrats -- again, Ohio just reminded us of this, along with places like Kansas previously.

The lowering of the age of consent laws.

Again, where has this been done? Oddly, and working against your argument, age of consent laws have largely been increasing the age of consent, not lowering it. This is particularly true with marriage laws, trying to prevent kids from getting married. And it is largely Democratic states that have raised the age for marriage, with Republican states tending to have lower marriage ages and more children getting married.

To quote an article on the subject, "
The states with the most child marriages per capita are Nevada, Idaho, Arkansas, Kentucky, Oklahoma, Wyoming, Utah, Alabama, West Virginia and Mississippi.

To quote an article on the topic: “Early marriage persists in some places much longer than it does in other more religiously conservative places because girls who are sexually active or become pregnant are seen as shameful to their families. It even happens sometimes that very young girls are married to men who have statutorily raped them because the sex is seen as more problematic than the rape itself.”

the kick your husband to the curb laws.

Again, not aware of these, so perhaps you can post these laws. Again, this sounds more like the "no fault" divorce laws from the 60s and 70s, that Republicans supported.

The false accusation against men's laws.

I'm not aware of any laws that allow for false accusations, again what laws are these? Yes, there have been pushed, largely by women's rights groups, saying that we should take sex assault accusations seriously and investigate, since the fact women tend to be "blamed" and their accusations often not believed is a reason why over half of rapes allegedly go unreported and that 1 in 6 American women have been sexually abused. Are you trying to claim that Republican's think these numbers are ok, so long as it prevents a small number of men from being wrongfully accused?

on social issues, you look at all the problems in our society and they are coming from 1 side. The Democrats.

I understand you want to believe that but it just isn't true, not in the ways you are trying to claim. Not to mention that Democrats are pro-family in ways Republicans are not: believing all families should have the ability to earn a "living wage," that all families -- and particularly all children -- should have access to health coverage, etc. Neither party has a lock on 'good' and both parties have plenty of 'evil.'

 

[Adventist Dissident]

I always wonder how different posts like this would be if the civil rights in question had to do with behaviors related to religious freedom.

Seems like one of those talking points which was repeated without thinking it through.

Not sure what your point is

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Who first linked them?, wasn’t it those who sought to eliminate these themes from bookshelves?

not a valid argument. sexual behavior is off-limits for minors. the queers want to make that ok. They are teaching children sexual behavior through those books. That is a crime.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Makes one wonder why Homeschooling has become so popular and wonder even more why the Democratic are always opposed to it.

hey someone who knows what is going on. That was until the internet made it popular to do on-learning, that changed everything. There were TV show episodes dedicated to demonizing homeschooling. Yes, dear did a whole show about it

 

[Adventist Dissident]

One of the problems with homeschool regulation is that it's done in bad faith with the education industry at the helm. Their natural interest lies in keeping homeschooling throttled rather than helping it to be effective. It's like the chicken hawk building the chickencoop.

this is garbage. my sister and my niece both did well in home school. it's not for everyone but it helps a lot of people. My niece was behind because she could not read, and needed glasses, was not diagnosed until 4 grade. They took her out for 1.5 years and were able to catch her up.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

I am linking the types of books that are being removed. (nor do I grant your premise)

you mean sexually explicit material. you used to have to be over 21 and have a separate area to access this kind of material. "How to" manuals on sex are not for children. it is a crime.

 

[essentialsaltes]

you mean sexually explicit material.

No, I meant what I said: books with queer themes.

 

[Pommer]

Not sure what your point is

Holding to a religion is a “behavior“.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

There is a clear double standard, if there wasn't, then Republicans wouldn't be removing books from school libraries (maybe, instead, moving it to a with parental consent area),

they should not be in the school library and it is not the place for them. it is right to remove them. it is a crime to propagate sexually explicit material to minors.

in some areas are requiring American History to be taught certain ways (removing anything "negative" that makes the US look bad),

so. All governments do that. if a person doesn't think that happens in other countries, that person is a little naive. So what. We are good, they are bad. We are not obligated to teach the views of our enemies. We do have to hate ourselves just be certain groups hate themselves.

and removing a parents rights to make some medical decisions for their children.

I guess you are talking about the LBGTxyz Trans stuff. Again Illegal to encourage sexually based behavior in Children. Children are off limits. They must come by it naturally. It disgusts me to see how people will manipulate the language to say the parents are being denied rights. As though they have the right to destroy their child.

I won't argue that the Democrats don't have their own issues here, that they don't have a different double standard, but we have seen a clear double standard from Republicans, as well.

What do you think is a double standard? I don't see one. is an actual principled approach.

This sounds like a claim some Republicans make that isn't true.



They don't? Again, this sounds like you are listening to political soundbites and not actually talking to Democrats, or looking at what Democrats actually believe. In fact, Democrats would claim it is Republicans that are removing the "pursuit of happiness"

by trying to force their morality on others, rather than realizing their are a number of beliefs in this country, even among Christians.

you cannot force morality, this shows ignorance. morality is not a belief it is a behavior. Morality is Good behavior, immorality is bad behavior. Morality is a state of being. something is either moral or immoral. it is not what I Think. Killing is immoral, it is bad, in most cases, stealing is immoral, bad, in most cases. you cannot force morality on people you can only force immorality on people or penalize people for acting immorally.

I'm sorry, when have you seen divorce laws really change, in your lifetime? Oddly, "no fault" divorce was championed by Republicans, by California Governor Ronald Reagan, shortly before your were born. Divorce laws haven't appreciably changed since then, that I can recall, and Republicans helped push the change, and have never fought to change them back (despite Reagan eventually claiming it was one of his worst mistakes).

that is what I am talking about. The divorce laws came in under Jimmy Carter and divorce skyrocketed. It was the radical feminist lobby that changed it. what you don't realize is the conservative Christians were Democrats and it was this issue that sent them to Ronald Regan and the Republicans.

Again, this is one that not only Democrats are pushing. Much of the issue is that the "War on Drugs" has been an abject failure. It is rather odd going back to Reagan, the one who seemingly started the "war on drugs," but his administration also helped bring drugs into the US to help fund a war in Nicaragua. We see marijuana laws changing in Republican states, Ohio being the most recent, not just in Democratic states.

again double speak here. It was the hippies, who were democrats that started the drug culture. the war on drugs was the response to that, not knowing how to deal with the problem is not the same as causing it. I am not a Regan backer. I don't think he was a great president. He gave us most of the financial problems we have today. Democrats are responsible for the Social problems, and Republicans for the Economic problems.

I think most, on both sides, realize that current US drug laws and policy aren't working. That isn't to say that all drugs should be legal, merely that we need to change the way we deal with them, on one hand trying to stop dealers while on the other helping those that are addicted to quit.

No, I don't think so. Democrats keep enacting policies that hurt America on this matter. hopefully, the Dems are waking up. with the Illegal workers being bussed to their states and the democrat hold on the black vote crumbling, we might see a change in this.

I don't think it can be argued that the best way to stop drugs is to remove the demand for them.

A border wall would help.

I'm sorry, what free sex laws? Having lived through the 60s, there was plenty of free sex then and don't recall any laws banning it. So I'm not sure what you are talking about, what "free sex laws?"

the sexual revolution. all the problems we have with free love and porn are due to the Democrats. they were the sex, drug, and rock & roll group.

Are you complaining about the Supreme Court overturning laws that allowed states to arrest people who have gay sex in the privacy of their homes? Or do you not feel gay people should have the right to legal protections for their long term relationships?

This sounds more like something where you believe your morality should be the law, not allowing the "pursuit of Happiness."

What "free theft laws?" Please point out those laws. I'll agree that some cities are doing a poor job of enforcing the laws they have on the books but that is not a "Democrat" position, rather something unique to those cities. We'll see what the voters have to say in the next DA elections.

CA and other Democrat states. allow for up to $900.00+ to be stolen by people, encouraging looting and theft.

Again, not a Democrat position -- particularly with the current Democratic President strongly coming out against those types of laws when he campaigned in 2020. It is also worth noting that even those that held those ideas, it wasn't so much to completely remove funds from police, rather it was more an idea to remove some funding and put it in areas of crime prevention -- particularly to give money to help mental health issues that cause significant crime in the US.

Crime is up. lawless is Up. what they say and what they do are not the same. crime is up.

Again, not just Democrats -- again, Ohio just reminded us of this, along with places like Kansas previously.

Democrats are the ones pushing for Abortion. and Aborting with no limits.

Again, where has this been done? Oddly, and working against your argument, age of consent laws have largely been increasing the age of consent, not lowering it. This is particularly true with marriage laws, trying to prevent kids from getting married. And it is largely Democratic states that have raised the age for marriage, with Republican states tending to have lower marriage ages and more children getting married.

Opinion | Laurence Tribe: Should the age of sexual consent in America be lowered?

Consent laws exist for a reason. But that hasn't stopped lawyers and pundits from making demonstrably flawed arguments as “devil’s advocates.”

www.nbcnews.com

To quote an article on the subject, "
The states with the most child marriages per capita are Nevada, Idaho, Arkansas, Kentucky, Oklahoma, Wyoming, Utah, Alabama, West Virginia and Mississippi.

To quote an article on the topic: “Early marriage persists in some places much longer than it does in other more religiously conservative places because girls who are sexually active or become pregnant are seen as shameful to their families. It even happens sometimes that very young girls are married to men who have statutorily raped them because the sex is seen as more problematic than the rape itself.”




Again, not aware of these, so perhaps you can post these laws. Again, this sounds more like the "no fault" divorce laws from the 60s and 70s, that Republicans supported.

that is right, but it also includes the abuse laws that allow women to accuse men at will of any crime and be removed from their homes. If the cops are called to a home for a domestic situation, someone has to be removed and it is usually the man, forget the fact that there are shelters for the women, that have been paid for. the man usually has to go to jail or get a hotel room. In addition, if you are an illegal immigrant and a woman you accuse your husband and you automatically become a citizen.

I'm not aware of any laws that allow for false accusations, again what laws are these? Yes, there have been pushed, largely by women's rights groups, saying that we should take sex assault accusations seriously and investigate,

since the fact women tend to be "blamed" and their accusations often not believed is a reason why over half of rapes allegedly go unreported and that 1 in 6 American women have been sexually abused.

there are no facts to back up this claim. the abuse that is reported to the Department of Justice is around 1.3% so this is not factual. The Department of Justice has statistics on this so you find them and then we will talk. if 1/6 women were being raped women would not have anything to to with men ever.

Are you trying to claim that Republican's think these numbers are ok, so long as it prevents a small number of men from being wrongfully accused?

those numbers are a lie. it's what Democrats do on social justice issues. They must inflate the problem and sensationalize it inorder to get support.

I understand you want to believe that but it just isn't true, not in the ways you are trying to claim. Not to mention that Democrats are pro-family in ways Republicans are not: believing all families should have the ability to earn a "living wage,"

I am for a living wage so you don't have me there.

that all families -- and particularly all children -- should have access to health

if by health care you cutting the ball off then no. if you me general care then I am for that. so don't have me there either.

coverage, etc. Neither party has a lock on 'good' and both parties have plenty of 'evil

I will agree with you that no party is free of evil, but one part has more evil in it right now and seems to be trying to make evil law.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Holding to a religion is a “behavior“.

it is a belief that affects behavior. unless you can show that the behavior is harmful then it is not subject to any civil or criminal penalties.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

No, I meant what I said: books with queer themes.

queer themes are sexually explicit so they are a crime. queer is a sexual behavior. not a state of being.

 

[RDKirk]

this is garbage. my sister and my niece both did well in home school. it's not for everyone but it helps a lot of people. My niece was behind because she could not read, and needed glasses, was not diagnosed until 4 grade. They took her out for 1.5 years and were able to catch her up.

You clearly reacted to my post without actually reading it, unless by "garbage" you're referring to homeschool regulation.

 

[essentialsaltes]

queer themes are sexually explicit so they are a crime.

straight themes are sexually explicit so they are also a crime. Your argument is self-defeating.

 

[RDKirk]

No, I meant what I said: books with queer themes.

I don't know how a "queer theme" is not going to be sexual in nature.

 

[RDKirk]

straight themes are sexually explicit so they are also a crime. Your argument is self-defeating.

And, yes, when sexually explicit those are banned from schools as well.

 

[essentialsaltes]

I don't know how a "queer theme" is not going to be sexual in nature.

Heather Has Two Mommies is not a sexually explicit book, nor is it "sexual in nature" in any meaningful sense.

 

[RDKirk]

Heather Has Two Mommies is not a sexually explicit book, nor is it "sexual in nature" in any meaningful sense.

You're talking about two different things and attempting to conflate them.

 

[essentialsaltes]

You're talking about two different things and attempting to conflate them.

I am not.

you mean sexually explicit material.

No, I meant what I said: books with queer themes.