State moves to remove powers from Department of Education, gives rulemaking and curriculum power directly to governor-appointed position

[Vambram]

Nope.

Thank you.

 

[KCfromNC]

Because "parents' rights" is pretty much always used as justification for conservative policy decisions regardless of and sometimes even in opposition of the desire of the parents involved.

Yep, <group's> rights (be it parent's, state's, etc) sounds great in a sound bite, but tends to fall apart pretty quickly when the followup question is "right to do what, exactly?" is asked.

 

[Mayzoo]

Nope.

This is one of the points, the masses of parents do not want their children's education left with huge gaps the few radical parents want their children taught.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

I strongly and whole heartedly disagree with your statement.
It was an American private Christian school that I attended in West Germany. It was a school started the American Baptist church where I was born again by God's grace and mercy.

Germany school and private schools have high standards.So, even private schools would give high education. This is not the same for private schools in America.

 

[Vambram]

Germany school and private schools have high standards.So, even private schools would give high education. This is not the same for private schools in America.

You misunderstood my post.

Let me attempt to try to be more clear.

It was not a German school that I attended. It was in West Germany but the private Christian school I attended for 2 years was an American school teaching American curriculum.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

You misunderstood my post.

Let me attempt to try to be more clear.

It was not a German school that I attended. It was in West Germany but the private Christian school I attended for 2 years was an American school teaching American curriculum.

It doesn't matter, they would have to make sure your education would be as high as Germany. I have a cousin that American school in Germany. Because his dad was in army. The level of education is standard Germany, but in English. Sadly a lot of countries have higher standards in America.

 

[Vambram]

It doesn't matter, they would have to make sure your education would be as high as Germany. I have a cousin that American school in Germany. Because his dad was in army. The level of education is standard Germany, but in English. Sadly a lot of countries have higher standards in America.

You are incorrect. The German standards had absolutely zero impact upon my schooling from 1979 to 1981 in that private American school.

 

[Pommer]

You are incorrect. The German standards had absolutely zero impact upon my schooling from 1979 to 1981 in that private American school.

Did you exhaustively study the German education laws at the time to know that this statement is correct?

 

[Vambram]

Did you exhaustively study the German education laws at the time to know that this statement is correct?

Germany education laws don't apply to American schools teaching American educational curriculum.
Unless you can prove otherwise, then I stand by my statements.

 

[Nithavela]

Did you exhaustively study the German education laws at the time to know that this statement is correct?

I think that Vambram isn't too far off the mark, at least where his subjective experiences from four decades ago are concerned. German private schools have a lot of leeway in their curriculums and don't really have to follow any standards except the ones set by federal examinations like the Abitur. Some, like the Waldorfschulen, are known for being very lax and focused on practical education and arts and crafts during the early stages of the education and then cram all the studying into the last few years of the curriculum to prepare their pupils for the final exam.

There aren't that many schools that veer wildly off course with their sex ed, but that's mostly because this isn't such a big issue in germany. Also, homeschooling isn't allowed here.

 

[Vambram]

My friends, this school I am talking about is NOT a German school at all.

 

[Green Sun]

Makes one wonder why Homeschooling has become so popular and wonder even more why the Democratic are always opposed to it.

Well, I can tell you why this Democrat doesn't like it. I have no reason to keep my dislike secret. I think it results in overall worse outcomes for the students.

Homeschool Laws By State

Regulation is overall is pretty poor, and has been weakening over time. It's difficult to ensure that the students are actually getting a proper education, that the material they're being given is accurate and up to date. And while I'm not blaming parents here, not everyone is equally equipped to be a teacher. I consider myself a terrible teacher overall, for what it's worth. It's a hard skill set to master. And even the parents that try the hardest might not be able to always provide their kids with the educational foundations they need when all the effort falls onto them.

And by the time the kid might realize they're in a bad position, it might be too late to correct it timely. Like with what happened in College where I was behind where I should have been, thanks to my private school. That ended up costing me extra money and time, due to having to attend for an extra semester.

For every homeschool success story there's a lot more failures, and often times those can't even get properly noticed, since parents are often under no obligation to show their results. It results in kids that were effectively locked out of an education, and are stuck way, way behind everyone else when it comes to their future careers.

 

[RDKirk]

Ohio board of education loses powers after judge declines to block law​

A Franklin County magistrate on Friday declined to issue a preliminary injunction against a planned overhaul of the state education agency, determining plaintiffs’ claims that the overhaul violates the state constitution are unlikely to succeed on the merits.

A slew of changes to the Department of Education were scheduled to take effect in early October, but state school board members – and later, parents on the board and a local school board – sued to halt the transition to a Department of Education and Workforce. As part of the changes included in the state budget, the board’s most significant powers, including rulemaking and curriculum evaluation, would return to the purview of the governor’s office.

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While a lot of these changes keep coming with a label of "parents rights", what we see is that the authority is actually being centralized into authoritarian governors (and their chosen toadies).

Toady here, toady there. Toadies everywhere.

 

[RDKirk]

Well, I can tell you why this Democrat doesn't like it. I have no reason to keep my dislike secret. I think it results in overall worse outcomes for the students.

Regulation is overall is pretty poor, and has been weakening over time. It's difficult to ensure that the students are actually getting a proper education, that the material they're being given is accurate and up to date. And while I'm not blaming parents here, not everyone is equally equipped to be a teacher. I consider myself a terrible teacher overall, for what it's worth. It's a hard skill set to master. And even the parents that try the hardest might not be able to always provide their kids with the educational foundations they need when all the effort falls onto them.

And by the time the kid might realize they're in a bad position, it might be too late to correct it timely. Like with what happened in College where I was behind where I should have been, thanks to my private school. That ended up costing me extra money and time, due to having to attend for an extra semester.

One of the problems with homeschool regulation is that it's done in bad faith with the education industry at the helm. Their natural interest lies in keeping homeschooling throttled rather than helping it to be effective. It's like the chicken hawk building the chickencoop.

For every homeschool success story there's a lot more failures, and often times those can't even get properly noticed, since parents are often under no obligation to show their results. It results in kids that were effectively locked out of an education, and are stuck way, way behind everyone else when it comes to their future careers.

What's the evidence for that assertion?

 

[Green Sun]

One of the problems with homeschool regulation is that it's done in bad faith with the education industry at the helm. Their natural interest lies in keeping homeschooling throttled rather than helping it to be effective. It's like the chicken hawk building the chickencoop.

If every bit of regulation is considered to be bad faith, then homeschooling orgs will never accept it. If homeschooling orgs never accept any regulation, then the concerns that kids are being undeserved by the homeschooling orgs can never be fixed.

Would things like requiring check-ins or tests reported to the state to judge a student's progress be considered bad faith? I don't know. I don't know what homeschool orgs consider "good faith" regulations.

 

[RDKirk]

If every bit of regulation is considered to be bad faith, then homeschooling orgs will never accept it. If homeschooling orgs never accept any regulation, then the concerns that kids are being undeserved by the homeschooling orgs can never be fixed.

Would things like requiring check-ins or tests reported to the state to judge a student's progress be considered bad faith? I don't know. I don't know what homeschool orgs consider "good faith" regulations.

It's not that hard to build good faith. First thing: Don't take a stand against it. Welcome homeschooling as a concept equal to classroom schooling.

And, of course, the tests should be nothing different or more than the classroom-schooled kids are getting.

 

[SimplyMe]

My friends, this school I am talking about is NOT a German school at all.

The school exists in Germany, therefore if falls under German laws and must teach to German educational standards-- even though it is not run by the German government or taught in German.

 

[DaisyDay]

Ohio board of education loses powers after judge declines to block law​

A Franklin County magistrate on Friday declined to issue a preliminary injunction against a planned overhaul of the state education agency, determining plaintiffs’ claims that the overhaul violates the state constitution are unlikely to succeed on the merits.

A slew of changes to the Department of Education were scheduled to take effect in early October, but state school board members – and later, parents on the board and a local school board – sued to halt the transition to a Department of Education and Workforce. As part of the changes included in the state budget, the board’s most significant powers, including rulemaking and curriculum evaluation, would return to the purview of the governor’s office.

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While a lot of these changes keep coming with a label of "parents rights", what we see is that the authority is actually being centralized into authoritarian governors (and their chosen toadies).

This seems to be one of those things that pendulum over the years - central authority/accountability <-> local/parental control.

This war on public education is somewhat new to me.

 

[RDKirk]

This seems to be one of those things that pendulum over the years - central authority/accountability <-> local/parental control.

This war on public education is somewhat new to me.

Many parents feel like the education industry has declared war on them, and that feeling is not without cause.

 

[DaisyDay]

Many parents feel like the education industry has declared war on them, and that feeling is not without cause.

In what way is it true?