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With some trepidation, I went to a grief support group this weekend. I reserve judgment right now, but I suspect the video and discussion format is going to be a problem for a few of the other folks in the group, possibly even for me. As in most group settings, I know that there will be those who talk more, those who will monopolize a point and beat it into the dirt, and even those who will bridle at the idea that someone else's grief is as great as their own. When I announced that my wife had taken her own life, everyone was suddenly very still. All the others had lost someone to cancer or other long-term illness. No one had had their life wrenched completely backwards by sudden and unexpected death. Still, I feel for these other folks and I can see that this will be an opportunity for me to heal and for me to help others heal. I've been told I have a knack for asking leading questions, so others can reach a bit of wisdom on their own. Besides, we have one person in the group whose belief in God has been challenged by her experience, so that is another opportunity for me to evangelize while working for both of our healing.

I almost left work early on Friday. I had been scheduled for a particularly long shift working alone, and right now that is a formula for disaster. I need the companionship and busy-ness of another co-worker to keep my mind off of sad things. When I am alone like that at work, I keep coming back to asking myself what I missed, feeling like I failed in some way, wanting to curl up in a corner and cry my eyes out. (I did sneak into the stock room a couple of times to shed a few tears.) Talking to God helps, but not being able to spend time in the Word is hard when I'm on the sales floor alone. I actually look forward to this week, because the weather is getting better, we'll be getting more new stock in, and so I will have plenty to do between sales and re-setting displays.

The day-to-day drama of dealing with my late wife's estate is taking a bit of a toll on me. I get tired of dealing with faxing paperwork to people, making sure her creditors know she's not paying certain bills right now (or ever again!), and seeing to it that my mother-in-law and my wife's son are cared for. Some of that is winding down already as we put some savings to work on paying utility bills and such. I am glad that my wife kept me in the loop on what bills we had and which she was paying how, so that I have been able to just start where she left off. But it doesn't make it any easier to be doing this without her.

Tomorrow I plan to go start cleaning out her office of all the books and papers and personal items she had there. I expect it will take me a few days to get it all out and back here. What we'll do with it all is beyond me right now. I have discussed having her colleagues set up a library or a book sale with the hundreds of title she owned. The sale could benefit a general scholarship fund or something. I don't know right now. I just know it's another loose end to be tied up.

Church yesterday was a bit flat for me. I felt the Spirit moving in our tiny group (60-plus souls), but I found my mind wandering during the message, wondering what my wife would have thought about this or that point. I even found myself making notes for a sermon of my own at some later date. Not until the Lord's Supper did I finally feel anything, and then I felt like I was sharing that communion with my wife. That made me smile and cry at the same time.

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Pastor Gadget,

Thank you for sharing how you're doing. I have been trying and trying to think of some meaningful response to what you've written but I really can think of nothing better than this--it says it all!

PSALM 23: 1-6
1 The LORD is my shepherd;
I shall not want.
2 He makes me to lie down in green pastures;
He leads me beside the still waters.
3 He restores my soul;
He leads me in the paths of righteousness
For His name’s sake.

4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil;
For You are with me;
Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me.

5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies;
You anoint my head with oil;
My cup runs over.
6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me
All the days of my life;
And I will dwell[a] in the house of the LORD
Forever.
 
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I'm glad you are going to the grief support class. Right now my husband and I are leading a grief support class at church. It's so hard to know what would be helpful to people. We have a very small class with just about 5 people. I think it seems helpful for the folks to just be able to talk about what their grief experience has been and share with each other. We are trying to structure the class so that it is interactive that way.

Anyway, I hope you will see some benefit out of the class and again I would recommend to you Zig Ziglar's book Confessions of a Grieving Christian. I think you might be ready for it now. (One little part of it does address someone whose death was a suicide.)

And about church, my mind wandered in church a lot too after our son died. I think this is pretty normal. I was that way for quite awhile.
 
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My wife took her own life this past weekend. I am the one who found her, and although I and a host of policemen and paramedics tried to bring her back, she never came back. I know that there are those who might say that she has committed come unpardonable sin, but I don't believe that. I know that she had suffered from her own demons (real or imagined) that despite all our efforts drove her self-esteem to hell and back. I know, too, that she had a history of depression, but I had thought we were making progress.

One thing is sure: She loved the Lord our God with all her heart. She really made a concerted effort these past few weeks to understand His Word, to read and to learn for truly the first time in her life. She had experienced so much bad stuff in her life before we met, and she was trying to make sense of her trials and her depression. I know now that she sits next to our Savior, getting all her questions answered. (And with all her questions, it's a good thing we have a God of infinite patience!) She was such a giving woman, inspired by God to provide services for women and children, to help disadvantaged youth, to "dance upon injustice" at every opportunity. She inspired others to do the same -- even this old dog, who went from a life of private sin to public joy in the Lord.

I am not sure if I am on the right forum here, but I am struggling to make sense of all this, and looking for guidance about which way to go. I am relying on God and family and friends for strength and sanity right now. But I know that the image of her death will haunt me for the rest of my life. Even now I am just a room away from the bed where she died, and I can barely stand to look that direction.

I am so mad at her! I want her back! We had plans and love and hopes! Now what?

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I am so deeply, deeply sorry for your loss.

I have no idea if this will help you or not, but the Central Christian Church has a website for those who are left behind by the suicide of loved ones.

http://www.survivingsuicide.com/cope.htm

Whatever you are feeling, it is okay to feel it.
Don't be afraid to admit to your feelings.
Don't be afraid to ask for help when you need it.

If you cannot bear to look at the bed you shared, don't. Ask a friend to let you stay with them for a few days, and while you are gone, ask other friends to go in and re-arrange things. Make it look a little less like "our" room, and a LOT less like the room where she died. Don't let them get rid of anything though. You may want those memories later. Ask them to re-arrange, or to store whatever can be saved.

Don't let yourself become isolated. Don't hide in your home. It is too easy to focus only on the pain when you do that.

I notice you list children in your icons. How are they coping?

Expect people to say stupid and hurtful things, and know that people are stupid and hurtful.

Understand you could not prevent it. No matter what we try, what we say, how much love we pour into someone - in the end, the choice they make in this regards is beyond our reach. All we can do is try to assure them that all the terrible, hopelessness they feel is not permanent. We cannot make them accept our love and our hope.

If you have things left to say to her, or things that this has made you wish you had a chance to say to her - say them. To a picture, in a prayer, shouting at the wall. However you feel comfortable. Just say them.

Let your anger out somehow. Yell at the heavens, chop wood while you curse, pound a mattress, play tennis. Anything that lets you get some of that horrible, painful anger out of your system. Expect it to come back from time to time.

Don't be afraid to call the suicide prevention lines yourself, just to talk about your own pain.

Live the rest of your life for both of you. Don't let her death take you into a living death.

My prayers are with you and your children and others who must have loved your wife as much as you.
 
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We just hit the 1 year anniversary of our 25 year old son dying from a drug overdose (he was 1 month from turning 26). My mind wanders terribly in church - I have to pray for help in keeping my mind on the word. I feel I have so many other times when my mind wanders that maybe the enemy is trying to use that against me in the very place I can find healing. You are so not alone with this challenge! Our Lord Father WILL give us the strength we need to get through this - I cling to the Comforter He sent us. God Bless You!!
 
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We just hit the 1 year anniversary of our 25 year old son dying from a drug overdose (he was 1 month from turning 26). My mind wanders terribly in church - I have to pray for help in keeping my mind on the word. I feel I have so many other times when my mind wanders that maybe the enemy is trying to use that against me in the very place I can find healing. You are so not alone with this challenge! Our Lord Father WILL give us the strength we need to get through this - I cling to the Comforter He sent us. God Bless You!!
"anniversaries" can be tough. Blessings and prayers for you, ladyt28
 
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Anyway, I hope you will see some benefit out of the class and again I would recommend to you Zig Ziglar's book Confessions of a Grieving Christian. I think you might be ready for it now. (One little part of it does address someone whose death was a suicide.)
Thanks for the recommendation. I finally picked up Ziglar's book a couple days ago and started into it. I like the way he writes and the honesty with which he glorifies God through all his pain and adversity.

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hey Pastor Gadget

My prayers for you in healing and continue support and openness towards Gods love.

I admire how you sort help. My best friend commited suicide just over 2 years - and only now am i starting to see the damage its caused by keeping it to myself. -- it never occured to me that people seek help/counsel. i still very much struggle talking about it. but your words here are encouraging.

continue to draw strength and comfort from God and his provision. x
 
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Thanks for the recommendation. I finally picked up Ziglar's book a couple days ago and started into it. I like the way he writes and the honesty with which he glorifies God through all his pain and adversity.

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Glad you got the book. I read many books on grief etc. when my son died. I consider the Ziglar book one of the best. I hope the book is able to minister to you in some small way.
 
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I woke up all ready to get going for work, get the boys ready for school and all that. Then a wave of despair hit me like a tsunami, and next thing you know I could hardly move. I sat up and prayed, asking God for wisdom to determine how I should spend my day -- working or taking care of myself. A great peace came over me as I thought about spending time napping and crying and taking care of my own business. So I decided to stay home. After getting the boys up, I called work and I started to cry as I said, "I can't come into work today." Nausea threatened to bring me "seconds" for breakfast, but I calmed down and took the kids to school. On the way home, I felt like I would cry at any moment. I walked in the door, descended to my/our bedroom and curled up in a ball and cried, then fell asleep.

The nap helped a little, but I still felt a little nauseous as I drove around town running errands. Calling the insurance company, emailing the lawyer, contacting state agencies about this and that -- through it all I barely held on to my composure. Just before the boys came home, I took a short break for myself again and cried a little about how my wife wasn't there to come to the school carnival with us tonight. I cried because I wanted her to read my essay. I cried because we won't be going on that trip to England later this month. I cried because I wanted her to help me find a house after I leave this big comfy home. I am crying right now because I want to hold her hand and snuggle with her and tell her it will all be okay.

As I was driving home from school with my wife's son, I realized that I understood what despair is about: it's about feeling so utterly alone that you cannot think straight. You feel like even the easiest task is the most onerous and that even minor things are targeted at making you feel even more useless than you already feel. You believe that you have borne all you can, done all you can, loved all you can, and yet it hasn't made a dent in the hard shell of life. Despair is about forgetting about God. Despair is the polar opposite of Hope.

Hope helps me enormously, because I have placed my hope not on the people around me but on the God who loves me. Yes, my family and I love each other, and we depend on each other just as we should. I miss my wife so greatly that I never knew I could feel like this. But there is nothing that I hope for in this world that my family has not already given me. However, the hope I have in growing closer to God, in knowing the joy of my Savior completely, that hope is what keeps me going.

Like it says in Hebrews and Romans, we hope for that which we have not already known, that which we do not see, and our faith is built upon that. I know and love my family, and the depths of our love have been seen only by a few. But the depths of our Father's love for us? Who can measure the width of the sky? Who can count the grains of sand? Who can truly number the stars? Who knows eternity but our Lord Jesus? Christ knew the depths of His Father's love for all of us, and He gave His life to show us. What a glorious hope and faith we must now have in Him!

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Sorry you had such a rough day. Grief is not really linear, it seems. It's up and down for awhile. Good days and bad. I am glad you seem to be looking to the Lord for your strength. I noticed a snippet of scripture yesterday I had never noticed before in 2 Corinthians 6:7 NASB "But God, who comforts the depressed, comforted us by the coming of Titus;" I just had never noticed the part about the Lord comforting those who are depressed. That's a good one to hang onto. I have heard people in grief say that they are angry at God but that they realized that they were angry at the only One who could really help them.

Prayers-

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Sorry you had such a rough day. Grief is not really linear, it seems. It's up and down for awhile. Good days and bad. I am glad you seem to be looking to the Lord for your strength. I noticed a snippet of scripture yesterday I had never noticed before in 2 Corinthians 6:7 NASB "But God, who comforts the depressed, comforted us by the coming of Titus;" I just had never noticed the part about the Lord comforting those who are depressed. That's a good one to hang onto. I have heard people in grief say that they are angry at God but that they realized that they were angry at the only One who could really help them.

Prayers-

kaykay

Oops. 2 Corinthians 7:6. A little swap there. I love that passage. Thanks for mentioning it:
5 For indeed, when we came to Macedonia, our bodies had no rest, but we were troubled on every side. Outside were conflicts, inside were fears. 6 Nevertheless God, who comforts the downcast, comforted us by the coming of Titus, 7 and not only by his coming, but also by the consolation with which he was comforted in you, when he told us of your earnest desire, your mourning, your zeal for me, so that I rejoiced even more. -- 2 Corinthians 7:5-7
I like it because Paul was comforted not only by Titus but also by the news Titus brought about the repentance of the Corinthians, about how they loved Paul and wished the best for him. To know that others are keeping the faith is great comfort for those of us facing conflicts on the outside and fears on the inside. Thanks again, Kaykay.

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Keeping the faith and standing for you.

Lamentations 3: 19-26
19 I remember my affliction and my wandering,
the bitterness and the gall.
20 I well remember them,
and my soul is downcast within me.

21 Yet this I call to mind
and therefore I have hope:

22 Because of the LORD's great love we are not consumed,
for his compassions never fail.

23 They are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness.

24 I say to myself, "The LORD is my portion;
therefore I will wait for him."

25 The LORD is good to those whose hope is in him,
to the one who seeks him;

26 it is good to wait quietly
for the salvation of the LORD.


Your true and faithful friend,


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hey, Pastor Gadget

how are you today? thank you for sharing, your spirit encourages me to think positively.
With the lack of sleep, I tend to be very tired and morose in the mornings. Still, I force myself to get going. Today started off so rough, so sadly, but as the day progressed I found more reasons to be glad. Little things, like getting a project done at work, making a good sale, being able to help my new co-manager learn something. On the way home I started to bottom out again, and yet I found some peace within me to focus on God, so when I got home I was feeling better. Then I looked at the mail.

I would hand back every dollar I might make until the day God takes me home just to get back my wife. I don't need money, I need the woman I gave my life to, the woman who slept next to me in our bed, the woman I took out for pie now and then, the woman who was a mother to many kids over the years as a foster parent. But God's will being what it is, I have to accept that He knows what He's doing, that in the end we will be fine because of the grace He chooses to bestow upon us. We don't deserve the blessings He gives us, but we can at least act like we should.

In the mail was a nice-size check from my wife's insurance company for a disability pay-out. It wasn't the life insurance, just what was left of the money she'd been paying into a disability policy for the past ten years. It was a good amount, enough to cover the rest of her funeral, and some more to pay off a few bills that have been hovering over us. (Who knew using two cell phones at once for 8 hours a day for a week could be so expensive? ;) )

So we received a blessing today, one we would just as soon have done without. It will take a lot of the stress off of us for a while, until the lawyers work out the probate stuff. For now, we'll accept that we are in God's hands, and know "that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose." (Romans 8:28)

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With the lack of sleep, I tend to be very tired and morose in the mornings. Still, I force myself to get going. Today started off so rough, so sadly, but as the day progressed I found more reasons to be glad. Little things, like getting a project done at work, making a good sale, being able to help my new co-manager learn something. On the way home I started to bottom out again, and yet I found some peace within me to focus on God, so when I got home I was feeling better. Then I looked at the mail.

I would hand back every dollar I might make until the day God takes me home just to get back my wife. I don't need money, I need the woman I gave my life to, the woman who slept next to me in our bed, the woman I took out for pie now and then, the woman who was a mother to many kids over the years as a foster parent. But God's will being what it is, I have to accept that He knows what He's doing, that in the end we will be fine because of the grace He chooses to bestow upon us. We don't deserve the blessings He gives us, but we can at least act like we should.

In the mail was a nice-size check from my wife's insurance company for a disability pay-out. It wasn't the life insurance, just what was left of the money she'd been paying into a disability policy for the past ten years. It was a good amount, enough to cover the rest of her funeral, and some more to pay off a few bills that have been hovering over us. (Who knew using two cell phones at once for 8 hours a day for a week could be so expensive? ;) )

So we received a blessing today, one we would just as soon have done without. It will take a lot of the stress off of us for a while, until the lawyers work out the probate stuff. For now, we'll accept that we are in God's hands, and know "that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose." (Romans 8:28)

Pastor Gadget

a sufficent amount of sleep is part of the healing process. rest is good for the mind, soul & body.

:) God is with you and loves you unconditionally. you and your family are in my prayers. are you still going to the support groups? thank you again for sharing, during the easier and hard days.

thanks for reminding me of God's daily grace.
 
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Pastor Gadget, I know it's a tough road. Did you ever see the movie Sleepless in Seattle? Tom Hanks is a widower in it and at one point he tells someone he just gets up every day and reminds himself to breathe in and out and will keep doing that until he reaches the point he doesn't have to remind himself to breathe in and out.
Well, in a sense, that's really true, I think. The days of mourning are like that. It's a cliche, but true. I know I keep repeating this, but just take it one day at a time. One day at a time.

It's up and down. At some point, almost imperceptibly down the line you will realize that you don't hurt quite as badly as you did. Just hang in.

Prayers--:prayer:
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All this talk about taking one day at a time, one breath at a time reminds me about a story about the late comedian and actor Peter Ustinov. He was appearing on Johnny Carson one night (You know, Jay Leno's predecessor?), and Johnny asked Ustinov how he managed to stay in such good shape for all the physical comedy in his films. Ustinov replied:

"Oh, it's easy. Every morning I wake up and exercise right away. One, two, one two, one two... Now the other eyelid... One, two..." ;)
 
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All this talk about taking one day at a time, one breath at a time reminds me about a story about the late comedian and actor Peter Ustinov. He was appearing on Johnny Carson one night (You know, Jay Leno's predecessor?), and Johnny asked Ustinov how he managed to stay in such good shape for all the physical comedy in his films. Ustinov replied:

"Oh, it's easy. Every morning I wake up and exercise right away. One, two, one two, one two... Now the other eyelid... One, two..." ;)
LOL! I probably should post that one over on the Golden 50's forum where I post sometimes! We can all relate!
 
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