Star Of David

[Gary M]

The "Star Of David", what is its origen?


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[SonWorshipper]

For information regarding this topic here in this forum:

http://www.christianforums.com/t45874

http://www.christianforums.com/t37890


We also have a Topic Thread index at the very top of this fourm to research subjects that have been discussed here.

 

[Gary M]

I don't know waht "trolling" means, but I'll go the the Rules and find out.

Gary

 

[Gary M]

I learned what trolling means.

No "put down" of any group was intended. It was just a sincere question arising from something I recently read. I have always viewed the "Star of David" as something beautiful. However, the quote I posted raised "origin" questions, just like on Christmas and Easter issues.
However, if this post seems in violation of a rule then I would understand if you felt it appropriate to delete it.

Shalom and God bless!
Gary

 

[SonWorshipper]

Gary, I sent you a PM in regards to that action. I do hope that it will explain all, if not please PM me.

Shalom!

 

[Gary M]

Hi SonWorshipper

I assume that "PM" stands for Personal Mail. Is this correct?
Anyway, if that is the case, somehow I failed to get it.
However, I did figure out, after going to my original post, how you handled it (replacing the post with the rule). I thought board moderators, in such cases, just simply delete the entire thread. I'm kinda slow on alot discussion board procedures.
Once again I want to say there was no offense or put-down intended.

PS: I dearly love Israel and the Jewish people.

Shalom and God bless!

Gary

 

[Gary M]

SonWorshipper

I forgot something. Do you know of a single book (Jewish perspective) that treats this topic extensively.

Thanks!
Gary

 

[Gary M]

Hey SonWorshipper

Guess what? I discovered, quite by accident, what "PM" means. I told you I was "slow".

I read your PM to me.
Thanks for the friendly explanation regaring my original post.

Your Bro. Gary

 

[SonWorshipper]

Sorry Gary, I was away yesterday for Shabbat. I am glad that you found your PM's , you should have had a blinking notice at the top of the Forums when you signed on here, telling you you had a New Message.

I was over at one of our Deacons house yesterday to rest up before havarah ( pray meeting and fellowship and to have Havdallah service ( separation of the Holy from the profane) and they were showing me their pictures from Israel. There was this synagogue in Capernium I believe that had the carving of the 5 pointed star right next to the 6 pointed star. What do you make of that?

 

[simchat_torah]

I checked out a book about a year ago from my college's library concerning ancient traditions surrounding the mogan dovid (star of david). The most ancient passage came from a Rabbah text (has slipped my mind).

Essentially the story goes that the Metatron (aka: messiah) appeared to David and showed him the symbol of a V. David was instructed to place this symbol upon the sheilds of his infantry and they won their victories through this 'messianic' symbol. The symbol was then created in an alternating patter to form a star as the messiah was referred to as the morning star in various messianic prophecies. As well, the prophecies declare that the messiah was to come from the line of david.

Thus the birth of the 'star of david'.

a beautiful meaning...

True? I don't know. I'll have to check out the book again. [/sighs]

 

[SonWorshipper]

That is similar Simchat to the story I found about the letter Dalet, although I have not yet found the Dalet to be in that shape during that time period in the Hebrew alphabet. But the story goes that the Dalet was used on King David's army's shields ( Moshiach is also called the Shield of Abraham, no?) in this form.

David Starts with the letter dalet as well as ends with it, hence the use of two , one facing upwards ( towards heaven) and the other downwards ( towards earth) and the star that is formed is the connection between man ( earth) and heaven ( G-d) in the person of Messiah.

To me this is logical, as is the fact that it turned up in other places. Those who fought against David's army would have seen this symbol (some rather at close- range, I would imagine ) and seeing that he was undefeated, for the most part would put some pagan type credence into this symbol as a "good luck sign" or talisman that could bring luck in war and therefore used it themselves for such gain. Sort of like what Constantine did with the cross.

 

[sojeru]

The SHEILD OF DAVID

originally not called the STAR of david

In Paleo-Hebrew this sign called Magen-David (sheild of David) were 2 daleth's put together.
Since davids name is Spelled Daleth Vav Daleth
these triangled shape letters were intertwined by the Soldiers of David, thus putting it on their sheilds.

In its beginnings it really had no religious connection.
While other nations armies had dragons, serpents, snakes and other emblems to represent their nation, king and or gods, the Hebrews had two daleths to represent david- the man of G-D.
If the shield and army was DAVID then G-D will indeed see them to victory.
This was the only religious connection ever associated in its beginnings.

Afterward it became the religious symbol of **JEWS** not necessarily all of Israel- However, today all of Israel recognizes the sheild of david

HaMagen David

shalom u'bracha

 

[sojeru]

and, son worshipper,
the daleth of paleo-hebrew is written like a triangle.
An iscoseles triangle for that fact- with its highest point facing to the left.

so yes, they made one daleth to face up
and another facing downward

this is the SHIELD of daveed

 

[SonWorshipper]

Sojeru, do you have the book by Schmalz and Fischer?

 

[SonWorshipper]

DDalet Door I can only find the Greek to be in the triangular shape for Dalet. Also check out this chart:

http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=944562&goto=postid

 

[sojeru]

no i dont have the book son worshipper.
I just read up on the history and have myself many paleo hebrew fonts and moabite and samiritan aleph beths with me
and they all confirm that the daleth is a triangle shape of an iscoselis
not the right triangle like the Greek D
but an left pointing iscoselis triangle.
out of all the middle east and mediteranean of ancient days- the only writing that was unique was the edessa aramaic and cuniform
other than that ever one in that region had letters almost identical.

shalom u'bracha