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This thread seeks to show that the atheist model of evolution is incorrect by going back to first principles to challenge atheist notions of star formation.
I would like to start off with some ground rules. First, I'm not interested in reading or responding to invective, or in rebuttals regarding tiny details. We need to keep the big picture in mind. Second, I'm interested in your independent thought and your critical thinking, not your YouTube videos, hyperlinks, degrees, etc. Ideas need to stand or fail on their own merit. I already know that organizations of atheist scientists aren't going to agree with me. Third, the purpose of this post is to convince you to give Christianity a second look, not get my ideas published. I care more about your souls than anything else.
There are two closely related atheist theories on star formation. The first is called "competitive accretion," (which some claim is disproved) and the second is called "gravitational collapse and fragmentation." Under both theories, large clouds of interstellar gas and dust collapse under the force of gravity, or else under the force of a shock wave from another star that went supernova, or some other unnamed exogenous force. The interstellar gas theories of star formation cannot be true, and here are my views on why:
1. The predominant constituent of the interstellar gas clouds is H2. However, H2 has a high amount of electrostatic repulsion. In essence, the atoms push away from each other to a large degree, and that force of repulsion is vastly greater than gravity, which is one of the weakest forces in nature. Thus, if you pop a balloon full of hydrogen or helium, the atoms will evenly fill the room and never come back together.
2. Radiation pressure also opposes the collapse of gas clouds. Any theoretical or misnamed "proto-star" within a gas cloud will emit radiation that effectively opposes the entrance of new particles to increase the size of the protostar, which would emit solar wind. Also, imagine a continuously exploding atomic bomb. Now imagine trying to walk toward that atomic bomb against the shock waves that it would emit. If any gas cloud managed to coalesce around the star, the gas cloud would become an atmosphere that would get blown away by the detonations within the "protostar."
3. The force of gravity within a dispersed interstellar gas cloud is vastly insufficient to collapse the cloud to form a star/protostar. Even the force of gravity of the Earth, which is far more dense than interstellar gas clouds, is insufficient to retain hydrogen and helium in our atmosphere.
4. "Shockwaves from supernovae or other energetic astronomical processes" [link] are insufficient to force a huge disbursed cloud of interstellar gas to come together. That would be akin to moving your hand through a room full of hydrogen gas. The moving hand does nothing more than increase turbulence, and turbulence opposes gravity. [link]
5. Under the Second Law of Thermodynamics, complex systems move from order to disorder. Thus, stars are in the business of transforming their intensely concentrated mass into waste electromagnetic energy and tiny particles that are spread throughout the universe, never to be concentrated again by natural forces. Moreover, exploding stars facially cannot create new stars [save whatever matter was left over]. Any stars that might theoretically form are insignificant second-order effects, much like little waves left over after a tsunami strikes land. An exploding balloon doesn't give rise to another balloon, and an exploding atomic bomb doesn't give rise to another atomic bomb.
Dr. Russell Humphreys, a retired Sandia physicist, created a Creationist cosmological model that is related to star formation and makes a great deal of sense to me. It fits the natural laws and observational evidence. Genesis 1:2 says that at Time 0, there existed something called The Deep, a great rotating ball of water. Beginning at Time 0, the ball of water begins to collapse inward upon itself, stripping the water molecules and creating a giant fiery ball of plasma. Around 24 hours, light from the ball reaches the Schwarzschild radius of the ball and cannot escape ["He separated the light from the darkness"]. God then changes the cosmological constant to a very large number and converts the black hole of The Deep into a white hole, disbursing the matter and energy on the surface of a hypersphere throughout the universe. Essentially, stars and galaxies and galactic clusters are big gooey globs of hot matter and energy left over from the massive ball at the beginning. This description, which describes the bare minimum of Humphreys' cosmology, comports with the 2nd Law (massive ball into littler balls) and is a more coherent rationale for star formation than the existing theories.
I would like to start off with some ground rules. First, I'm not interested in reading or responding to invective, or in rebuttals regarding tiny details. We need to keep the big picture in mind. Second, I'm interested in your independent thought and your critical thinking, not your YouTube videos, hyperlinks, degrees, etc. Ideas need to stand or fail on their own merit. I already know that organizations of atheist scientists aren't going to agree with me. Third, the purpose of this post is to convince you to give Christianity a second look, not get my ideas published. I care more about your souls than anything else.
There are two closely related atheist theories on star formation. The first is called "competitive accretion," (which some claim is disproved) and the second is called "gravitational collapse and fragmentation." Under both theories, large clouds of interstellar gas and dust collapse under the force of gravity, or else under the force of a shock wave from another star that went supernova, or some other unnamed exogenous force. The interstellar gas theories of star formation cannot be true, and here are my views on why:
1. The predominant constituent of the interstellar gas clouds is H2. However, H2 has a high amount of electrostatic repulsion. In essence, the atoms push away from each other to a large degree, and that force of repulsion is vastly greater than gravity, which is one of the weakest forces in nature. Thus, if you pop a balloon full of hydrogen or helium, the atoms will evenly fill the room and never come back together.
2. Radiation pressure also opposes the collapse of gas clouds. Any theoretical or misnamed "proto-star" within a gas cloud will emit radiation that effectively opposes the entrance of new particles to increase the size of the protostar, which would emit solar wind. Also, imagine a continuously exploding atomic bomb. Now imagine trying to walk toward that atomic bomb against the shock waves that it would emit. If any gas cloud managed to coalesce around the star, the gas cloud would become an atmosphere that would get blown away by the detonations within the "protostar."
3. The force of gravity within a dispersed interstellar gas cloud is vastly insufficient to collapse the cloud to form a star/protostar. Even the force of gravity of the Earth, which is far more dense than interstellar gas clouds, is insufficient to retain hydrogen and helium in our atmosphere.
4. "Shockwaves from supernovae or other energetic astronomical processes" [link] are insufficient to force a huge disbursed cloud of interstellar gas to come together. That would be akin to moving your hand through a room full of hydrogen gas. The moving hand does nothing more than increase turbulence, and turbulence opposes gravity. [link]
5. Under the Second Law of Thermodynamics, complex systems move from order to disorder. Thus, stars are in the business of transforming their intensely concentrated mass into waste electromagnetic energy and tiny particles that are spread throughout the universe, never to be concentrated again by natural forces. Moreover, exploding stars facially cannot create new stars [save whatever matter was left over]. Any stars that might theoretically form are insignificant second-order effects, much like little waves left over after a tsunami strikes land. An exploding balloon doesn't give rise to another balloon, and an exploding atomic bomb doesn't give rise to another atomic bomb.
Dr. Russell Humphreys, a retired Sandia physicist, created a Creationist cosmological model that is related to star formation and makes a great deal of sense to me. It fits the natural laws and observational evidence. Genesis 1:2 says that at Time 0, there existed something called The Deep, a great rotating ball of water. Beginning at Time 0, the ball of water begins to collapse inward upon itself, stripping the water molecules and creating a giant fiery ball of plasma. Around 24 hours, light from the ball reaches the Schwarzschild radius of the ball and cannot escape ["He separated the light from the darkness"]. God then changes the cosmological constant to a very large number and converts the black hole of The Deep into a white hole, disbursing the matter and energy on the surface of a hypersphere throughout the universe. Essentially, stars and galaxies and galactic clusters are big gooey globs of hot matter and energy left over from the massive ball at the beginning. This description, which describes the bare minimum of Humphreys' cosmology, comports with the 2nd Law (massive ball into littler balls) and is a more coherent rationale for star formation than the existing theories.
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