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This is simply factually incorrect. Vaccines are powerful tools for public health not only because they protect individuals, but because they reduce the level of the disease in the population, so that people who can't be vaccinated, or for whom the vaccine didn't work -- which is always some fraction of the population -- are also protected.If you’re vaccinated, you need to mind your business since you are protected.
Everybody’s medical decisions are a private choice - if you wanna parade around that you got vaccinated, that’s your prerogative, but it’s absolutely none of your business whether anybody else gets vaccinated.
Not the point! You have a moral obligation to be concerned for the welfare of others - it doesn't matter that I happened to be the one who points this out.Speak for yourself.
Nobody has an obligation to do anything just because *you* think they should.
Unfortunately, the mask mandate also protects those who have been vaccinated. In particular, it protects them from those who haven't been and are spreading the disease.IMO, anyone who hasn't had at least one vaccination shot, at this point, doesn't deserve the protection of a mask mandate.
Do you mean we are being told untrue things by posters here at CF?It's published in Medical Hypotheses.
Cite note: Vainshelboim B. (2021). Facemasks in the COVID-19 era: A health hypothesis. Medical hypotheses, 146, 110411.
Medical Hypotheses - Wikipedia
It is quite explicitly not a peer-review journal.
I am concerned for the well being of others.Not the point! You have a moral obligation to be concerned for the welfare of others - it doesn't matter that I happened to be the one who points this out.
Unfortunately, the mask mandate also protects those who have been vaccinated. In particular, it protects them from those who haven't been and are spreading the disease.
Like seatbelts?
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If that’s how you feel, then you need to make the decision that best aligns with your own personal moral obligation, which is ultimatelyFailing to be vaccinated may well kill someone. How does that not impose a moral obligation?
You’re speaking out of both sides of your mouth. Vaccines either work or they don’t.This is simply factually incorrect. Vaccines are powerful tools for public health not only because they protect individuals, but because they reduce the level of the disease in the population, so that people who can't be vaccinated, or for whom the vaccine didn't work -- which is always some fraction of the population -- are also protected.
Getting in a car may will kill someone.Failing to be vaccinated may well kill someone. How does that not impose a moral obligation?
“Love your neighbor as yourself”. I’m not getting the so-called vaccine. And I’m not trying to guilt my neighbor into it, either.Not the point! You have a moral obligation to be concerned for the welfare of others - it doesn't matter that I happened to be the one who points this out.
Do we really need to explain this on a [gulp, shudder] Christian site?
Yay! Let’s get rid of the mask mandates, too.IMO, anyone who hasn't had at least one vaccination shot, at this point, doesn't deserve the protection of a mask mandate.
...In my state of CA, we're now vaccinating people age 16 and over... That means all the 'at risk' people are safe. This pandemic is over in my view.
Let's return to normal now.
No, I'm saying something pretty simple and easy to understand. The vaccines we have work really well, but do not work perfectly. No vaccine is perfect. The mRNA vaccines reduce the chance of getting seriously ill by more than 90% and reduced the chance of being infected by maybe 80%. But some vaccinated people still get infected, some still get sick, and some still die. But if everyone is vaccinated, viral transmission is reduced enough that almost everyone is protected.You’re speaking out of both sides of your mouth. Vaccines either work or they don’t.
If 'not killing someone' isn't something you feel morally obligated about, vaccination is the least of your problems.If that’s how you feel, then you need to make the decision that best aligns with your own personal moral obligation,
Absolutely. However, the societal and personal costs of not driving are so high that we're willing to accept that reality. We have also passed all kinds of laws to reduce that risk. We absolutely do not say that people can make a personal choice to drive on the wrong side of the road, or drive with their headlights off at night, or drive drunk. It's a personal choice what to put in your body -- but don't put alchohol in it if you're going to drive.Getting in a car may will kill someone.
Please explain the error in the reasoning presented below:I am concerned for the well being of others.
If I’m not infected, I can’t give the virus to someone.FACT: The vaccine is not 100% effective - some who get the vaccine will still get sick if infected. And their risk increases in proportion to the number of people who refuse to be vaccinated.
Let me be blunt. It is really hard to believe that the vaccine resistors here are incapable of understanding this.No, I'm saying something pretty simple and easy to understand. The vaccines we have work really well, but do not work perfectly.
If 'not killing someone' isn't something you feel morally obligated about, vaccination is the least of your problems.
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