spiritual science

[gunglepus]

a past that was not physical, is a past that never existed

Knowledge is not limited to physical.

It sure is. everything you think you know is encoded in your brain in connections and chemicals.

Science today generally is limited to the physical, but the bible indicates that more was at work in our past.

Do not confuse ancient ignorance for knowledge.

The Bible's concepts of science are naive and limited by ignorance. For instance the Bible calls the bat a type of bird. The Bible consistantly models the earth as being flat. The Bible says pi=3.

Because of this, we can now understand that the flood, and garden, and all things the bible tells are true after all, and it was just a shortcoming in modern science logic mistakenly trying to be applied to a past that was not physical only.

There is no short comings in science, particularly when compared to the mythology we find in the Bible. There was no flood as the earth would still be devastated. There was no garden of eden because that story is an ALLEGORY. That means in plain english that it is a fictional story with a moral.

 

[Grengor]

As soon as you invoke the spiritual, everything is out the window. ANYTHING can be correct.
"God created everything"
"No, you're wrong. My god Odin clearly told me he created everything". Or something like that... I'm not too familiar with Norse mythology.

 

[gunglepus]

As soon as you invoke the spiritual, everything is out the window. ANYTHING can be correct.

SPIRIT=GHOST=GEIST=GAS

 

[Grengor]

Theres something there that I should be seeing....but I'm tired and can't figure it out...waaaah.

 

[funyun]

"Spiritual science" is an oxymoron if ever there was one. It's obvious dad has no idea what science actually is.

 

[Douglaangu v2.0]

"Spiritual science" is an oxymoron if ever there was one. It's obvious dad has no idea whats cience actually is.

Its whatever he says it is.
God given authority dontcha know.

 

[dad]

if this spiritual science has a valid or reliable epistemology then why isn't it shareable? [Hey, I'm sharing here]

the presence of thousands of denominations of Christians, many making the same claims as do you, that the Bible provides knowledge that science either doesn't or can not, seems to destroy your argument.
[No, all it means is they haven't caught on yet. I was one of them not long ago, and bought the line that all must have happened as science says, after all, how else could it possibly be? Until I realized the spiritual and physical were definately at work then, and only the physical now]

if this knowledge of the Bible requires revelation that either is so personal that it can not be shared, or so complex that it can not be shared entirely. Or if this knowledge relies on a private realm not accessible to all people, then these problems are partly explained. but it doesn't do anything to show that this spiritual epistemology is either valid, universal, shareable, etc. [Sounds spooky, no idea what you're talking about, but has a certain ring to it!]
because no one else can have access to your revelation to validate or judge it, [All the world's a stage, and up in the spotlight, best seller of all time, in pretty well every country and most languages, is the bible. The validator. Very accessible -often for free, like on the net. So enjoy.] plus there can exist no uniform standards outside of individual revelation. thus everyone with your claims ends up in their own little private world without being able to show anyone outside of it either their knowledge or to confirm the truthfulness of their knowledge. [Already covered that one last sentence]

fortunately, science is intersubjective in ways that religions can only dream about.
[Yes, not being in the box, I guess we have to dream what it is like to be in there, and not able to get out.]

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[dad]

"Spiritual science" is an oxymoron if ever there was one. It's obvious dad has no idea what science actually is.

No, God is the Great Scientist. Science is merely knowledge. The word oxymoron doesn't fit.
Paradox might be a better word. ", paradox leads to "undecidability". When two equally correct interpretations are possible, in the absence of further information, no decision other than a random choice is possible". http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/ASC/PARADOX.html
You see I say science is correct as long as it stays in the present, when it is applicable. You say science is correct, therefore can be applied away from the present, where you assume it was also correct. This attempt at applying correct science to a time the bible tells us required a spiritual factor as well, however means it cannot be applied at all there. There, spiritual science was at play.

 

[dad]

SPIRIT=GHOST=GEIST=GAS

At least science can detect gas! Even a child can.

 

[dad]

As soon as you invoke the spiritual, everything is out the window. ANYTHING can be correct.
"God created everything"
"No, you're wrong. My god Odin clearly told me he created everything". Or something like that... I'm not too familiar with Norse mythology.

No, the bible is not out the window now is it? Only the portion of science we can call science falsely so called, where physical only science applicable to the present, by virtue of a belief only, gets mentally projected into an imagined past that might have been if indeed all there were was the physical!

 

[dad]

a past that was not physical, is a past that never existed
[The garden of Eden was physical, as well as spiritual, as will heaven be, and they both are very very real]



It sure is. everything you think you know is encoded in your brain in connections and chemicals.
[Don't put the cart before the horse. We have fresh inspiration, and input all the time, and new ideas. To say they all come only from within a fleshy skull as a result of a chemical mix is just someone's opinion. ]



Do not confuse ancient ignorance for knowledge.
[High wisdom of God is not ignorance, just because it was before the modern, and will be after the modern. It works, and has stood the test of time, and it's standard raised over the dead lying bodies of it's one time opponents]

The Bible's concepts of science are naive and limited by ignorance. For instance the Bible calls the bat a type of bird. The Bible consistantly models the earth as being flat. The Bible says pi=3.
[Can you explain to me, precisely why it is better to consider a bat something else? I never read where it says pi=3, maybe cite where I can find that, and the old flat earth nonsense is a slanderously poor frame up job]



There is no short comings in science, particularly when compared to the mythology we find in the Bible. [OK, so what is time? What is space? How did the first lifeform appear on earth exactly? What happened to cause a little hot soup at onr time so small it could fit on the head of a pin to suddenly exist? Just a few easy ones for you, so you can assuage
my doubts] There was no flood as the earth would still be devastated. [ Not at all, you see, because it was in a merged state at the time, the laws of physics did not apply. These laws only came to the fore as we were left in a physical only state. So the continents parting quickly, canopy filling earth with water, and later a great wind blowing it clear out of our atmosphere were all very possible] There was no garden of eden because that story is an ALLEGORY. That means in plain english that it is a fictional story with a moral.
[Yes, so your opinion goes, but Jesus and I, and millions of believers do not at all share that, nor think God is inept, dead, or a liar.]

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[dad]

Thus a literal interpertation is incorrect.

When you make things up, anything is possible.

It does take some adjusting getting your head around the fact that there was a merged universe, doesn't it. Yes, with God, indeed, literally, all things are possible, He is really Almighty.

 

[dad]

...For example, there was no global flood nor an actual garden of Eden based upon the evidence.
[What physical only evidence will show us there was the spiritual that seperated? We do have bible evidence, though they can be together, and were. ]

That's all science is, the attempt to understand what's knowable, not what's believable. [ Then why granny and the speck? Don't try and sound to purest. In any attempt to understand the knowable, the spiritual must be included, as billions know] You seem to think that because you can't make science recognize what you believe that's a fault. I disagree, that's its strength.
[I seek to isolate science from so called science. Like a disease, to be left to die alone. Or cut out if possible, even.]

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[Grengor]

No, the bible is not out the window now is it? Only the portion of science we can call science falsely so called, where physical only science applicable to the present, by virtue of a belief only, gets mentally projected into an imagined past that might have been if indeed all there were was the physical!

The Bible is indeed "out the window". Since it invoked the spiritual, there is no way for anything to go anywhere. How can you know your spiritual beliefs are right? The guy right next to you belief's are completely opposite, so how would you know if your beliefs are correct? His beliefs is clearly opposite, but they're spiritual. Then, there's personal revelation. What if your neighbor had a spiritual revelation that said your spiritual revelation is wrong, and you only think about things "inside the box".

 

[Tenka]

I seek to isolate science from so called science. Like a disease, to be left to die alone. Or cut out if possible, even

Oh you do not.

You seek to come in here and assault us with utterly indefensible notions that show exactly how far reality must be stretched to accomodate your need to believe a bunch of myths and allegories.

You have nothing to offer the collective understanding except conspiracy theories and pet terms.

 

[dad]

Oh you do not.

You seek to come in here and assault us with utterly indefensible notions that show exactly how far reality must be stretched to accomodate your need to believe a bunch of myths and allegories.

You have nothing to offer the collective understanding except conspiracy theories and pet terms.

Empty blab. Your reality of the physical only needs more than a stetch, just to scratch a worms ankle!

 

[dad]

The Bible is indeed "out the window". Since it invoked the spiritual, there is no way for anything to go anywhere. How can you know your spiritual beliefs are right? The guy right next to you belief's are completely opposite, so how would you know if your beliefs are correct? His beliefs is clearly opposite, but they're spiritual. Then, there's personal revelation. What if your neighbor had a spiritual revelation that said your spiritual revelation is wrong, and you only think about things "inside the box".

It isn't an issue as to whose beliefs are right here now. What is pointed out is that when physical only belief is attempted to be projected far into the past, it goes there only as a belief, and not as science!

 

[Illuminatus]

dad is one of my favourite posters on this site. Not because his beliefs have any validity, but because his writings are the oddest things I've ever seen in my life.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

It isn't an issue as to whose beliefs are right here now. What is pointed out is that when physical only belief is attempted to be projected far into the past, it goes there only as a belief, and not as science!

No, what is pointed out is that when you make a statement like this, you demonstrate that you don't know the first thing about science.

 

[dad]

No, what is pointed out is that when you make a statement like this, you demonstrate that you don't know the first thing about science.

Blabbing on about nothing again are we? The way that we determine old ages, and scenarios of the past are through things like light speed, decay, evolutionary presumptions, tectonic present plate movements, and rates, etc etc etc. All based on the present physical only, and assumed into the past. If you must post, try saying something.