Romans 9:16 refers to the fact that salvation does not depend on the man that wills. Now the RT advocate says this in no way indicates unregenerate men will to be saved. Judge for yourselves.
I do not claim to have found the one verse that demonstrates RT is a mistaken view of scripture, I assert that all of scripture, every single verse demonstrates that four of the five points of the TULIP, the TULI are mistake views, for they either do not address the point, or they are equivical, or as in Romans 9:16 they teach the asserted RT doctrines are false.
1 Corinthians 1:30 says God puts us in Christ, just as I claim. Here are several translations:
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It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. (NIV)
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But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption, (NASB)
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But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption— (NKJV)
In sum, we do not put ourselves in Christ by placing our faith in Christ, but rather, God puts us in Christ based on His sovereign will, just as I stated.
In Him we are holy and blameless, which is imputed righteousness, so the assertion that I avoid this point is simply yet another false charge, misrepresenting my position. And the constant false charges are for the purpose of diversion away from the fact that Romans 9:16 demonstrates RT is a mistaken view of scripture.
NBF said:
Romans 5:2 states that Through Him (Christ) we have obtained access. The access is by faith, but the obtaining of the access is through Christ, not our own faith.
Here are several versions of the Romans 5:2 text:
2through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we rejoice in the hope of the glory of God. (NIV)
2through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God. (NASB)
2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. (NKJV)
By placing our faith in Christ Jesus we obtain our access to the grace of salvation. And so the meaning of "through Him" or through whom (referring to Christ Jesus) is that He is the person in whom we place our faith. The RT view that through Him means He supernaturally instills the gift of faith is not what Paul is teaching. God credited Abraham's faith as righteousness, so the faith in view is our faith, which God accepts, see Romans chapter 4. The "gift of faith" is demonstrated invalid because God would not need to credit our faith as righteousness if it was a gift from God, it would already be righteous. RT takes vague phrases like through him, and pours their own doctrine in, when if you read the passage in context, nothing of the sort is said or implied. Of course God made our faith possible, by sending His Son to save that which was lost!
NBF said:
he has ignored and some cases denied the clear teaching that we were dead in trespasses and sins, and were by nature children of wrath, the same as the rest of mankind, but it was God who made us alive (not our faith, as Van claims), and that “making alive was by Grace.
Yet another false charge, with no quote offered! Read the Opening post of this thread folks, Van is the author and I embrace that we were made sinners, and thus we are dead in our tresspasses and sins. I embrace that because of our sinful nature we were children of wrath, and I embrace that it is God who puts us in Christ, making us alive together with Christ. My position is exactly opposite of the NBF distortion, posted as a diversion, of the idea that our faith makes us alive. Pay no attention to RT advocates presentation of my position, they post false presentations as a diversion.
My position is not that our faith caused us to be saved, but rather we are saved by grace through faith which provides our access to God's saving grace. It is God who puts us in Christ, we do not put ourselves in Christ. If God does not accept our faith, and credit it as righteousness, He does not put us in Christ, that folks is my position. Matthew 13:20-21 tells us of a kind of person whose faith is rootless, and rejected by God.
And so, as we revisit the verses, we see that they demonstrate RT is a mistaken view of scripture, and that my assertions simply accept the plain reading of the text. Case closed.