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dad · Jul 30, 2009

Freodin said:
Well, it seems you DO have an idea. Lot´s of ideas in fact. You don´t know what it is... but you are 100% certain that is not hot iron, because of course the creator would not use hot iron as the core of a planet.

I have an educated guess, based on the other works of the creator. That beats nothing at all. Science has a belief system upon which all calculations, godless calculations, I might add, are based. So they melt the inner earth, and put the whole universe in a little speck of soup, too small to see with the eye. Ridiculous. I can't believe they were taken seriously this long. Jigs up, kids, move over.

And why would he not use hot iron? Because dad thinks that it is not pleasant, but scary and hellishly hot.

Because, for one thing it is not eternal. He made it to last forever. Same reason we don't see a 1500 mile city of molten iron! Ridiculous.

Well, I ask you again, for the third time: how hot is Hell?

Again, I was not aware hell existed now. Prove it. If you mean the lake of fire, I can answer that. I don't know. But I wouldn't want to go there, when it gets fired up..

You do use this phrase, but without content it is useless. 25°C? 50°C? 2000°C? (Yes, pardon me, I am european, so I use an intelligent system like Celsius, not that wierd Fahrenheit stuff.)

A fire is something that consumes physical material. The kind we know. The burning bush never consumed the bush. I have no reason to believe that the fires of hell, when it gets here, are physical flames. I am not an expert on hell, though, maybe someone else has something on that.

You base your ideas on what you see and sense. Now. In this physical "only" reality.
Yet, if it pleases you (or rather, displeases you), you ignore these senses in favour of "Oh, physical only cannot make statements about spiritual / merged matter. Prove that this isn´t so!".

I do not base ideas on laws of gravity and physics, and etc on senses. I base it on science and experience. There is no need to apply it to creation week, or the new heavens, though, or to the eternal foundations of this earth.

Well, I cannot prove it. But neither can you. I cannot make any statement (or rather, any statement that I like) about spiritual / merged things, based on my experiences of the "physical only surface imaginary" now.

I accept your pleadings of ignorance. Relax. I know you don't know.

And neither can you.

God already did. If I can read, I can speak of the spiritual and physical realities to some extent. With all authority.

So if Jesus spiritual / merged body thinks a temperature of 15000°C is quite the spiff... then it will be so. Regardless of what YOU think is scary.

Trees on earth do not grow in that temp. The tree of life, and Eden was right here. Work with it. Lose the nightmares. Life is good.

dad · Jul 30, 2009

thaumaturgy said:
So, all this "spiritual talk" I hear religious people talk about is about something....they don't even understand or know about????

Spiritual talk is all just blather? Is that what you are telling me?

Good to know! I'll remember that.

Spiritual talk is about things spiritual. Have you some knowledge of that? If the bible is spiritual talk, what about it? Of course wisdom is justified of her children, and things are revealed to whom He reveals them to.

The topic here is the inner earth, and what you know about it. I already dealt with your waves. You can't wave away the eternal nature of earth.

Wind out of your sails already!? Not much of a fight if you ask me. Like taking candy from a baby.

[serious] · Jul 30, 2009

Ah, dad, this takes the "demon under every rock" thing way too far

thaumaturgy · Jul 30, 2009

dad said:
Spiritual talk is about things spiritual.

But wait....

dad said:
If they hit a spiritual also eternal material on the way, we would not know it.

Now for some more usual religious "word salad":

Dad said:
Have you some knowledge of that? If the bible is spiritual talk, what about it? Of course wisdom is justified of her children, and things are revealed to whom He reveals them to.

And if He reveals wisdom to you He seems intent on you being unable to reveal it to anyone else. Sorry. Fail. Maybe if your God valued education more He'd bless you with the gift of "coherent presentation", "philosophical robustness of concept" and maybe a smidge of "pleasantness" in the presentation.

Those of us who have taught for a living know how it's done.

The topic here is the inner earth, and what you know about it.

Clearly I know more about it than you do. You are hypothesizing things you don't even know about, by your own admission!

Let's rewind the tape:

dad said:
If they hit a spiritual also eternal material on the way, we would not know it.

Got it?

I already dealt with your waves. You can't wave away the eternal nature of earth.

Yes I can. I most assuredly can. I see no evidence of an eternal earth.

I do however see a guy who has not real understanding of geology telling me all manner of fun guesses based on absolute ignorance what is down there. I suspect this man has never taken even a geology 1 class let alone a mineralogy class.

dad said:
If they hit a spiritual also eternal material on the way, we would not know it.

But we would know cheese!

Nathan Poe · Jul 30, 2009

dad said:
Cheese talk is about things cheesy. Have you some knowledge of that? If the bible is cheese talk, what about it? Of course wisdom is justified of her children, and things are revealed to whom He reveals them to.

The topic here is the inner earth, and what you know about it. I already dealt with your waves. You can't wave away the cheese-based nature of earth.

Wind out of your sails already!? Not much of a fight if you ask me. Like taking candy from a baby.

It is absolutely essential that I continue.

Nathan Poe · Jul 30, 2009

thaumaturgy said:
But we would know cheese!

We have no other choice, we must go on.

Split Rock · Jul 30, 2009

dad said:
The joke isn't on me though. Jesus did go down, and there are spirits down there. If your grasp of bible is that weak you don't know it, you better study up.

The only thing my "grasp" is weak on is your bizzare interpretation of scripture. But then, we have that in common..

dad said:
No, actually, alas. But I do believe there will be sex in heaven. ..Now, if I was single at the time, and she was there...

She would likely ignore you.

dad said:
The short answer is they do not know. I assume that the inner earth is an exception to the rule of a changed universe. But I will admit that I no longer accept claims that the universe is homogeneous, without proof. Having looked at SN 18987a fairly closely, I can see that the whole so called science of astronomy, and cosmology, is pretty weak. But I still assume for now in a changed universe state, at least the universe of man. But that is subject to evidence.

Yes, a lot of assuming from you, dad. Nothing new there. Glad to hear that your assumptions not only show up geologists and biologists, but astronomers and cosmologists too. Its a good thing you are here to straighten out everyone else.

dad said:
As for the inner earth, science is so ignorant on it, and admits it, by and large, that when the bible light is shone on their fables, they really look silly, and weak.

But its not the "bible light," is it? Its the dim bulb of dad's lunatic-fringe interpretation of the Bible. Once again you assume your word is God's Inerrant Word, Blasphemer!

Cabal · Jul 30, 2009

Split Rock said:
She would likely ignore you.

I don't think she'd want to be in the "same state" as dad.

thaumaturgy · Jul 30, 2009

Cabal said:
I don't think she'd want to be in the "same state" as dad.

What an afterlife! First, in life, you get JFK (and RFK?) and in the afterlife you are stuck with Dad???

While it may be heaven for Dad, sounds not so much like heaven for Marilyn. IMHO.

Freodin · Jul 30, 2009

Well, she was a hot woman! Hot as hell!!

That said, we now know how hot hell is... about 37.2°C.

LifeToTheFullest! · Jul 30, 2009

The earth is flat, and rests on the backs of turtles. It's turtles all the way down baby!

LifeToTheFullest! · Jul 30, 2009

BTW daddy-o, the earth will collide with the sun in about one thousand million million million million years. Don't fret though, you, along with the rest of humanity will long be extinct by then.

dad · Aug 1, 2009

Split Rock said:
The only thing my "grasp" is weak on is your bizzare interpretation of scripture. But then, we have that in common..

She would likely ignore you.

I think people in heaven are sweet, and courteous, and would not refuse to talk to others, thinking they were better. They would have learned that. As for sex in heaven, I am not an expert on that. Adam and Eve were in Paradise, and had sex. I see no reason why Paradise restored would be different??

Yes, a lot of assuming from you, dad. Nothing new there. Glad to hear that your assumptions not only show up geologists and biologists, but astronomers and cosmologists too. Its a good thing you are here to straighten out everyone else.

Thanks. If there was a case for supporting the foundation belief and assumption that the sciences you mention rest on, they wouldn't have gotten so far off the beam.

But its not the "bible light," is it? Its the dim bulb of dad's lunatic-fringe interpretation of the Bible. Once again you assume your word is God's Inerrant Word, Blasphemer!

No. A different universe coming is absolute. The differences in the far past, and creation week are also stark, and undeniable. You are welcome to make a case if you have one.

Split Rock · Aug 1, 2009

dad said:
No. A different universe coming is absolute. The differences in the far past, and creation week are also stark, and undeniable. You are welcome to make a case if you have one.

I'll wait for you to make your case first. So far you have nothing but speculation piled on interpretation piled on assumptions. ALL made up as you go along. So much for "God's Word."

dad · Aug 1, 2009

LifeToTheFullest! said:
BTW daddy-o, the earth will collide with the sun in about one thousand million million million million years. Don't fret though, you, along with the rest of humanity will long be extinct by then.

Prophesy, based on a belief in the present laws applying.

dad · Aug 1, 2009

Split Rock said:
I'll wait for you to make your case first. So far you have nothing but speculation piled on interpretation piled on assumptions. ALL made up as you go along. So much for "God's Word."

No, science has that. And I make a case that they do have that, as concerns the creation debate.

It is no interpretation that new heavens are coming. It is no assumption that this world as we know it, will pass away. It is also no assumption present state laws could not have been in place, if the bible creation, and Genesis is true.

dad · Aug 1, 2009

Freodin said:
Well, she was a hot woman! Hot as hell!!

That said, we now know how hot hell is... about 37.2°C.

I would think that is a common misconception. heaven is much hotter, in the fun sense than hell. Just as a prison is less fun than a honeymoon.

thaumaturgy · Aug 1, 2009

dad said:
It is also no assumption present state laws could not have been in place, if the bible creation, and Genesis is true.

I've highlighted the important bit.

thaumaturgy · Aug 1, 2009

dad said:
I think people in heaven are sweet, and courteous, and would not refuse to talk to others, thinking they were better. They would have learned that.

So how do people like you fit into that mold, Dad?

thaumaturgy · Aug 1, 2009

dad said:
I would think that is a common misconception. heaven is much hotter, in the fun sense than hell. Just as a prison is less fun than a honeymoon.

Unfortunately, if you're Marilyn Monroe forced to get it on with the likes of you out of some sense of obligation (being sweet and non-judgemental in heaven, as people are), the prison-honeymoon comparison does get somewhat muddled.

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