Spirirual abuse

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Dare I ask?

I don't think so -- not specifically by that name, anyway -- but tell me what they consist of and I'll be better able to answer your inquiry with factual accuracy.

 

[Tenebrae]

Have any of you been subjected to the new reformation teachings?

Arrrrrggggghhhhhhhh

Yes


BrBob, if you arent ok with discussing it on open forum, you'd be more than welcome to discuss it with me via PM

The church I referenced in the OP was heavily impregnated with New apostolic teaching

www.kingdomlost.com its written by a guy who runs cultwatch.com and while I may not agree with him on all things, He put me onto that book. I almost threw up several times when reading it because it was such an accurate description of what I'd been through

After I left I struggled alot, would have moments of blind panic when I was convinced that I was walking away from something God ordained. Part of my shame I think was the fact that I had succumbed to some elements of pyschological control. Had always thought I was a realatively strong minded person, who wouldnt fall for any of that brainwashing crap.

It wasnt until I was verbally abused by one of the pastors that I was finally able to make the break.....Its ironic really because she was out to destroy me, and inadvertantly I'm sure gave me what I needed to finally make the break from that parasitic organisation once and for all

http://www.cultwatch.com/superapostles.html
http://www.cultwatch.com/ChurchLeadershipAuthority.html
http://www.cultwatch.com/tithing.html

 

[rocklife]

so what do people think

Would a forum for survivors of spiritual abuse work here... If not, do you know of any forums, coz I'm sinking fast right now

you might be able to make a Christian Club for fellowship http://www.christianforums.com/f126-christian-clubs.html

 

[Tenebrae]

you might be able to make a Christian Club for fellowship http://www.christianforums.com/f126-christian-clubs.html

Thanks Rock

Have decided though that CF probably couldnt handle such a forum..... At least I'm not feeling brave enough to pursue it at the moment

 

[rocklife]

I understand.

one thing I strongly believe is that just like sitting in a garage doesn't make you a car, going to church doesn't make anyone a christian. It is too bad there is judgment about that though, that many assume going to church makes them christians. It is especially disturbing if you watch televangelism and see our supposed representatives. The Bible and Jesus have many warnings about hypocrit religious leaders, I was very surprised to read that as a new Christian 6 years ago. I was really pretty shocked by how often Jesus warns about them. His words helped me though, when I was called an explicative by one of the sunday school ladies I babysat for and a lot of other rampant sins I was seeing. Church attendance is too often being replaced as a substitute for christianity, with twisted bible teachings that are really just false and pampering people in their sins.

I just wanted to share a little of my experience, don't let the fakers and bad ones get in your way with God. Jesus knows, He was betrayed by religious leaders who were evil. I really get my encouragements from the Bible much more than preachers and get-togethers that are really unloving in their own ways. There's a verse in Isaiah or one of the minor prophets about His people's feasts being an abomination to Him, I would not be surprised if disobedient Israel's mistakes and sins are not being repeated.

 

[Tenebrae]

The latest crapola

I did a blog post about my former church and headed it with their logo, bear in mind this is a year ago the post was made.

Didnt think anything of it really, however today got an email from one of them on my blog demanding that i remove the logo from the blog post

Which is ironic, because I am told that heaps of the leaders of my former church have read my blog and its taken them 12 months to get upset over it

Ok, so I know that I havent got a leg to stand on with copyright laws and if they threaten legal action, it will be gone in a thrice. Have stated publically that if they want to start throwing their weight around about a year old blog post, then I shall make sure all and sundry know it. However its certainly satifying to back them into a corner, because I know they dont want a public image as anything less than altruistic doo gooders

So this totally isnt christian however Gosh it feels good

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

www.kingdomlost.com its written by a guy who runs cultwatch.com and while I may not agree with him on all things, He put me onto that book. I almost threw up several times when reading it because it was such an accurate description of what I'd been through

After I left I struggled alot, would have moments of blind panic when I was convinced that I was walking away from something God ordained. Part of my shame I think was the fact that I had succumbed to some elements of pyschological control. Had always thought I was a realatively strong minded person, who wouldnt fall for any of that brainwashing crap. http://www.cultwatch.com/tithing.html

Just reading the teasers and blurbs here about this book ... good night, Wize, it sounds like you have escaped -- and I say this extremely LITERALLY with the prophecies of Revelation backing me up -- from no less than the belly of the Beast.



I'm off to read those other links you posted for further info but my hunch is that's precisely where you escaped from. You should seriously thank God you were not allowed to settle in and be happy there. That's like dress rehearsal for the last great deception which will overtake the world and perform the ultimate separation of wheat from chaff -- if you're talking about what I think you're talking about (elements of what has been termed "dominionism")

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

The latest crapola

I did a blog post about my former church and headed it with their logo, bear in mind this is a year ago the post was made.

Didnt think anything of it really, however today got an email from one of them on my blog demanding that i remove the logo from the blog post

Which is ironic, because I am told that heaps of the leaders of my former church have read my blog and its taken them 12 months to get upset over it

Ok, so I know that I havent got a leg to stand on with copyright laws and if they threaten legal action, it will be gone in a thrice. Have stated publically that if they want to start throwing their weight around about a year old blog post, then I shall make sure all and sundry know it. However its certainly satifying to back them into a corner, because I know they dont want a public image as anything less than altruistic doo gooders

So this totally isnt christian however Gosh it feels good

That shiz is whack.

What blog would that be? Your blog here on CF or something else? Lemme see?

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Yep, it's core Beast crap. Don't take this the wrong way but spiritually speaking you'd be safer, closer to the truth, and better off as an avowed occultist than trafficking with that ilk.

 

[Tenebrae]

need to go sleep, so last post for the night

before I do this


I remeber being absolutly gutted that I didnt get put on a ministry team after I went through the intro course. I wanted to serve in the house of God, didnt care if I was toilet cleaning.

It was Gods way of ensuring when the time came to leave that I could leave without too much stress and stuff


Night all

 

[Abiel]

Going by some one the criteria in cultwatch, I don't think I have ever been involved in a church that wasn't cultish...at least in some respects.

 

[BrBob]

Freitag - YES! I thought we had that in common. I was part of the worship team in a church that is part of Congress WBN. CWBN is headed by Noel Woodroffe from Trinidad.

I'll check out your link and come back later.

Bob

 

[BrBob]

Freitag, I've been to that site before and I didn't need to read the book. I read all of the articles on the site and was thoroughly convinced!

I know how you feel about being involved in that group. My problems arise though in that I still love our former pastor and most of the people who are still there. I know the pastor's heart and believe that he is a victim too. He would not intentionally harm anyone! The operative word there being "intentionally."

I feel a bit sheepish and even dreamed last night about the situation. I'm finding that I do have a little anger built up and I also have some pride issues to work through.

Another note - I am so glad I finally found people who know what I'm talking about. I never thought it would be in the "Liberal" forum though.

Bob
Spearfish, SD

 

[Catherineanne]

Spiritual abuse is not restricted to any one church or denomination.

I had a counsellor, some years ago, who started off as very good, listening to me and helping me to find insights into my situation. My marriage had just crumbled to dust, because of my husband's alcoholism, and I was very isolated, with both my family and my ex's family blaming me for the situation, because I was the one who said enough was enough. The counsellor was the Vicar of my local church.

Then he had a situation in his family, which was very similar to many of the things I was talking about, and it all went very strange. He accused me of lots of nasty stuff, and told his curate, his wife and the bishop some venomous things about me - probably other people as well. The wife and bishop believed him, the curate didn't, thank God.

As soon as I found out what was being said I cut all contact and have never spoken with this man again, but it took me over a year to get through the accusations, and to find my true self among all the lies which were flying around.

It taught me to be very wary of counsellors, and most especially those in a ministerial position. They have too much power, and too much authority. People can get very hurt.

 

[Tenebrae]

Going by some one the criteria in cultwatch, I don't think I have ever been involved in a church that wasn't cultish...at least in some respects.

lol

I do think he goes too paranoid in some places

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Going by some one the criteria in cultwatch, I don't think I have ever been involved in a church that wasn't cultish...at least in some respects.

That should tell us all something.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

It taught me to be very wary of counsellors, and most especially those in a ministerial position. They have too much power, and too much authority. People can get very hurt.

Hate to have to say it in THIS context, BUT ...

Quod me nutrit, me destruit.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

^^ They also have way too much to "prove". ^^

Dangerous recipe.

 

[.Sabre.]

Spiritual abuse is not restricted to any one church or denomination.

I had a counsellor, some years ago, who started off as very good, listening to me and helping me to find insights into my situation. My marriage had just crumbled to dust, because of my husband's alcoholism, and I was very isolated, with both my family and my ex's family blaming me for the situation, because I was the one who said enough was enough. The counsellor was the Vicar of my local church.

Then he had a situation in his family, which was very similar to many of the things I was talking about, and it all went very strange. He accused me of lots of nasty stuff, and told his curate, his wife and the bishop some venomous things about me - probably other people as well. The wife and bishop believed him, the curate didn't, thank God.

As soon as I found out what was being said I cut all contact and have never spoken with this man again, but it took me over a year to get through the accusations, and to find my true self among all the lies which were flying around.

It taught me to be very wary of counsellors, and most especially those in a ministerial position. They have too much power, and too much authority. People can get very hurt.

I am so sorry!

I was counselled by my local pastor's wife once. She went and told everyone about my so-called possession and everything I told her....as if I found it easy to trust in the first place. It really damaged my trust in people.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Blaze, people in general are "donkey". Most of them just want to cast you in some really pathetic two-dimensional role in the invisble DRAMA theater of their own minds. And they tend to get VERY upset if either you won't play along and fill the role they cut out for you OR worse, if you stand up and call them on it and tell them you are NOT a "prop" in their world and don't appreciate being treated like one.

Grrr.