Speaking in tongues

[swordsman1]

Paul said, "I thank my God I speak with tongues more than you all; 19 yet in the church I would rather speak five words with my understanding, that I may teach others also, than ten thousand words in a tongue."

Paul prayed in tongues ALONE all the time.

Read the verse again. It doesn't say Paul spoke in tongues alone. All it says is that he practiced it outside the church. He doesn't say where. There are two options:

1. He could done it in private at home. But that would be contrary to the purpose of spiritual gifts to benefit others (1 Pet 4:10, 1 Cor 12:7)

2 He could have done it publicly in the streets and market places on his missionary journeys as a miraculous sign to others that God was with him (Mark 16:17,20).

One is in full accordance with the stated purpose of spiritual gifts and the other one isn't. Which do you think is more likely?

I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding. I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding." The context of this chapter is the difference between our praying and praising with the Spirit, and the similar gift requiring the understanding of interpretation.

Lets look at that passage in detail:

v13 "For this reason the one who speaks in a tongue should pray that they may interpret what they say"​

What reason? see v12 - so that the church is edified. All tongues speaking should be interpreted so that the church may be edified.

v14 "For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful."​

Because praying in tongues on its own is deficient - but my mind is unfruitful.

v15 "So what shall I do?"​

Here comes the solution....

v15 "I will pray with my spirit , but I will also pray with my understanding "​

I will pray in tongues, followed by an interpreted prayer (as v13 says) so that I and everyone else can understand it.

v16 "Otherwise when you are praising God in the Spirit, how can someone else, who is now put in the position of an inquirer,say “Amen” to your thanksgiving"​

Otherwise if you pray in tongues on its own, nobody can say "Amen" to your public prayer.

v17 "You are giving thanks well enough, but no one else is edified."​

If you pray in tongues on its own, your prayer is genuine, but nobody else is edified.

The sign gifts are for our own edification and done alone.

Where does it say that?

 

[PollyJetix]

That's a great story. But much of it is unbiblical.

It's only unbiblical if you hold the correct interpretation of the Bible.
But what you claim to be Biblical, has no power.

1Corinthians 2:4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

See? You come with man's wisdom. I appeal to the power of God flowing through me, as it has been proved to work.
You say it is unbiblical. Even though it was obviously miraculous, and saved a man's life, and pointed him to put his faith in Jesus Christ for salvation. Yet, you are determined your explanations, and the explanations of those scholars outweigh the obvious supernatural power at work to save a man from dying and going to hell.

Your faith seems to stand in the wisdom of man's ability to reason out what I Corinthians 14 means, in opposition to all proof otherwise. Your faith seems to stand in what those linguists prejudiced against glossolalia say, in scholarly wisdom.
I say, phooey on your brainiac linguists, who would condemn a baby repeating "Mama, Dada" as if he were not speaking true language... who would condemn the uneducated backward mountain people, speaking their own dialects with imperfect syntax and incorrect pronunciation, as not really using a true language.

1Cor 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

That's a great story. But much of it is unbiblical.

So is cessationism.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Read the verse again. It doesn't say Paul spoke in tongues alone. All it says is that he practiced it outside the church. He doesn't say where. There are two options:

1. He could done it in private at home. But that would be contrary to the purpose of spiritual gifts to benefit others (1 Pet 4:10, 1 Cor 12:7)

2 He could have done it publicly in the streets and market places on his missionary journeys as a miraculous sign to others that God was with him (Mark 16:17,20).

One is in full accordance with the stated purpose of spiritual gifts and the other one isn't. Which do you think is more likely?



Lets look at that passage in detail:

v13 "For this reason the one who speaks in a tongue should pray that they may interpret what they say"​

What reason? see v12 - so that the church is edified. All tongues speaking should be interpreted so that the church may be edified.

v14 "For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful."​

Because praying in tongues on its own is deficient - but my mind is unfruitful.

v15 "So what shall I do?"​

Here comes the solution....

v15 "I will pray with my spirit , but I will also pray with my understanding "​

I will pray in tongues, followed by an interpreted prayer (as v13 says) so that I and everyone else can understand it.

v16 "Otherwise when you are praising God in the Spirit, how can someone else, who is now put in the position of an inquirer,say “Amen” to your thanksgiving"​

Otherwise if you pray in tongues on its own, nobody can say "Amen" to your public prayer.

v17 "You are giving thanks well enough, but no one else is edified."​

If you pray in tongues on its own, your prayer is genuine, but nobody else is edified.






Where does it say that?

It's a pity that Paul is not around to explain what he meant about the way he spoke in tongues outside of the church.

 

[PollyJetix]

It's a pity that Paul is not around to explain what he meant about the way he spoke in tongues outside of the church.

I wonder if he would be given space to speak, seeing so many are so opinionated on the subject.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

It's only unbiblical if you hold the correct interpretation of the Bible.
But what you claim to be Biblical, has no power.



See? You come with man's wisdom. I appeal to the power of God flowing through me, as it has been proved to work.
You say it is unbiblical. Even though it was obviously miraculous, and saved a man's life, and pointed him to put his faith in Jesus Christ for salvation. Yet, you are determined your explanations, and the explanations of those scholars outweigh the obvious supernatural power at work to save a man from dying and going to hell.

Your faith seems to stand in the wisdom of man's ability to reason out what I Corinthians 14 means, in opposition to all proof otherwise. Your faith seems to stand in what those linguists prejudiced against glossolalia say, in scholarly wisdom.
I say, phooey on your brainiac linguists, who would condemn a baby repeating "Mama, Dada" as if he were not speaking true language... who would condemn the uneducated backward mountain people, speaking their own dialects with imperfect syntax and incorrect pronunciation, as not really using a true language.

Our friend would say that every manifestation that occurred in all the historical revivals are unbiblical as well. Wesley felt a strange warming in his heart which was the result of his conversion to Christ. Oh! He must be a fake because what he felt was unblblical!! What about the Quakers? They shook under the power of the Spirit; that's why they were called Quakers! They must have been fake as well because shaking under the power is not biblical either. The Welsh revival had all sorts of shaking, falling down, and other manifestations that are not found in the New Testament. Are we to call the Welsh Revival fake as well? Did you know that the Open Brethren church, one of today's most fiercely cessationist churches, had the same manifestations in its foundation years. The same with the Salvation Army. Who would be so arrogant as to accuse these movements of being false just because they don't agree with one's personal interpretation of the Bible.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I wonder if he would be given space to speak, seeing so many are so opinionated on the subject.

Modern cessationist hockey pucks would call him a false apostle if he turned up today speaking in tongues.

 

[swordsman1]

It's only unbiblical if you hold the correct interpretation of the Bible.
But what you claim to be Biblical, has no power.



See? You come with man's wisdom. I appeal to the power of God flowing through me, as it has been proved to work.
You say it is unbiblical. Even though it was obviously miraculous, and saved a man's life, and pointed him to put his faith in Jesus Christ for salvation. Yet, you are determined your explanations, and the explanations of those scholars outweigh the obvious supernatural power at work to save a man from dying and going to hell.

Your faith seems to stand in the wisdom of man's ability to reason out what I Corinthians 14 means, in opposition to all proof otherwise. Your faith seems to stand in what those linguists prejudiced against glossolalia say, in scholarly wisdom.
I say, phooey on your brainiac linguists, who would condemn a baby repeating "Mama, Dada" as if he were not speaking true language... who would condemn the uneducated backward mountain people, speaking their own dialects with imperfect syntax and incorrect pronunciation, as not really using a true language.

How do you know those things you described are from God - the unseen power rocking you back and forth, the feeling of water rushing through you, your falling down, your uninterpreted tongues, etc? None of it is biblical. How do you know it wasn't just something psychological?

Is your 2nd hand unsubstantiated story meant to be proof to me that modern glossolalia is from God (even though it is unbiblical)? Such stories are ten a penny. Prove it from scripture and I might be convinced.

 

[PollyJetix]

How do you know those things you described are from God - the unseen power rocking you back and forth, the feeling of water rushing through you, your falling down, your uninterpreted tongues, etc? None of it is biblical. How do you know it wasn't just something psychological?

Is your 2nd hand unsubstantiated story meant to be proof to me that modern glossolalia is from God (even though it is unbiblical)? Such stories are ten a penny. Prove it from scripture and I might be convinced.

Even if I would find the very same happening in Scripture, you would claim that it is unbiblical for it to happen today.
I'm not going to take this any further. It's a waste of time, and I have cast my pearls before one who tramples them in the dirt.

 

[1stcenturylady]

May I tell you how the gift of tongues operates through me?

When I received the baptism of the Holy Ghost, I felt a tremendous power, like nothing I had ever known before. This unseen power began to move my physical body back and forth. Now, I could have resisted it, and stopped it, if I had chosen to. But I chose to yield, because I knew this was not evil. I had known God for many years. I knew the Bible. And I knew this was God, and I knew it was biblical.

I also knew that Jesus promised a true child of God may ask, and will receive, the genuine Holy Ghost. It is impossible for a child of God to ask the Father for the Holy Spirit, and then to receive a serpent from the Devil! Luke 11:12-13

so, I yielded to the power of God. He took all the power out of my physical body, to stand in His presence. I fell and yielded to the Holy Spirit, and spoke in a full language I had never known, for 2 hours. It felt like water rushing through my soul. When the torrent ceased, I felt so clean. So peaceful. So in unity with God. So loved.

The language? It sounded a lot like Italian. It had sentences, expression, emotion, inflection. All that a language contains.

Since then, God has given me the gift of various kinds of tongues. It flows when I am in intercession.
When I go into prayer, I will pray in English (with the understanding) until I feel the urge to allow the Spirit to take over my tongue (also with the Spirit). And what comes out is not of my own volition. I hear myself making sounds I never think up. And I hear a "kind" of language... it usually starts out in something related to Italian, like I first spoke in. But then, I feel the burden to pray for another person or situation, and I will pray in English all I know to pray. And then, again, the Holy Spirit will take over, but this time, I will hear a completely different type of language coming out. I have spoken in probably 10 or more different kinds of tongues. Oriental, African, German-type, Spanish-sounding, and others I have no way to categorize.

All of this is without my choosing which sounds my tongue will form. I hear myself saying a few words I recognize, such as Hallelujah, or Yeshua, or Elohim. But I don't know what I'm saying.

All I know is that as I speak in tongues, the power of God rests heavier and heavier on me, until sometimes it takes my breath away, like I am in the very holy of holies.

God has given me the gift of interpretation, but I have done it only one time. As He willed. Not as I chose.

It's not about me. It's about the power of God.

I once was on the way home from work, and the Spirit fell on me, and I had a split-second vision of three vehicles high overhead, on a mountain road, with a guardrail. The place I was standing in the vision was at the bottom of a very steep incline, and it was a dense mature pine forest. Very unusual setting... I knew to pray for the people in the center vehicle, a white pickup truck.
I heard myself shouting desperately in tongues, praying for those people in the white pickup. I didn't know who they were, or what was happening. Then the burden lifted.

I got home, showered, and barely got to Bible study in time. But there was a big disturbance. Pastor and my close friend, Juanita, were leaving... her brother had been in an accident. At the end of Bible Study, they returned. Her brother, whom I did not know, had narrowly missed death. There had been a 3-vehicle accident on a winding mountain road on which I had never been. His white pickup had gone head-first down into the woods, off the road. But he missed all the big trees, and hit only saplings, which slowed his descent. His wife and he walked away with only seatbelt burns.

A few days later, I was riding with my Pastor and his wife, to go visit another church. And they took this mountain road where I had never been on before. We came to a spot I recognized! It was precisely the spot I had seen in my vision! the mature pine forest, on a very steep incline--at least a 60 degree incline. And there was the guardrail--exactly as I had seen it in the vision. I began crying out that this was the spot I had seen.
But that was not where the accident had happened.

The accident happened actually about 1/2 mile further on. there was no guard rail there. And the forest was mainly young, deciduous trees, with a few very large ones. There was a fence the pickup had broken through. And the incline was only about 35 to 40 degrees.

This puzzled me for months. I asked the Lord why He had shown me a place where it didn't happen.
His answer was very clear: the accident would have happened at the place I saw in the vision, if I had not prayed. He would have flipped over the guard rail, and down that cliff to his death. God wanted the accident to only wake this man up spiritually. Not take his life. The enemy wanted his life.
But God dropped it onto me, to pray... in tongues.
It saved the life of my best friend's brother.

What a powerful testimony, Polly. And COMPLETELY biblical.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Even if I would find the very same happening in Scripture, you would claim that it is unbiblical for it to happen today.
I'm not going to take this any further. It's a waste of time, and I have cast my pearls before one who tramples them in the dirt.

Good for you. I laid my cards on the table earlier. I had just been on another post with an atheist and it was a pointless discussion then too. The fool says in his heart there is no God, and the uninformed will say "No thanks, God." I don't have time for either. I will be happy to teach anyone who wants EVERYTHING God has for them, and not scrutinize and mock His gifts. It's funny to hear someone say something is not biblical when they don't understand the Bible.

 

[PollyJetix]

Good for you. I laid my cards on the table earlier. I had just been on another post with an atheist and it was a pointless discussion then too. The fool says in his heart there is no God, and the uninformed will say "No thanks, God." I don't have time for either. I will be happy to teach anyone who wants EVERYTHING God has for them, and not scrutinize and mock His gifts. It's funny to hear someone say something is not biblical when they don't understand the Bible.

Amen, sister. "Brush the dust off the feet."
"Leave them alone."

 

[1stcenturylady]

Read the verse again. It doesn't say Paul spoke in tongues alone. All it says is that he practiced it outside the church. He doesn't say where. There are two options:

1. He could done it in private at home. But that would be contrary to the purpose of spiritual gifts to benefit others (1 Pet 4:10, 1 Cor 12:7)

2 He could have done it publicly in the streets and market places on his missionary journeys as a miraculous sign to others that God was with him (Mark 16:17,20).

One is in full accordance with the stated purpose of spiritual gifts and the other one isn't. Which do you think is more likely?



Lets look at that passage in detail:

v13 "For this reason the one who speaks in a tongue should pray that they may interpret what they say"​

What reason? see v12 - so that the church is edified. All tongues speaking should be interpreted so that the church may be edified.

v14 "For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful."​

Because praying in tongues on its own is deficient - but my mind is unfruitful.

v15 "So what shall I do?"​

Here comes the solution....

v15 "I will pray with my spirit , but I will also pray with my understanding "​

I will pray in tongues, followed by an interpreted prayer (as v13 says) so that I and everyone else can understand it.

v16 "Otherwise when you are praising God in the Spirit, how can someone else, who is now put in the position of an inquirer,say “Amen” to your thanksgiving"​

Otherwise if you pray in tongues on its own, nobody can say "Amen" to your public prayer.

v17 "You are giving thanks well enough, but no one else is edified."​

If you pray in tongues on its own, your prayer is genuine, but nobody else is edified.






Where does it say that?

Okay, I'll bite this one last time. But I guarantee, you can't understand if you don't believe. I expect you to give some human reasoning and interpretation, not of the Spirit. But here goes.

20 But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, 21 keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

16 above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God; 18 praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, being watchful to this end with all perseverance and supplication for all the saints—

I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding (interpretation). I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding (interpretation).

 

[swordsman1]

Okay, I'll bite this one last time. But I guarantee, you can't understand if you don't believe. I expect you to give some human reasoning and interpretation, not of the Spirit. But here goes.

20 But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, 21 keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

16 above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God; 18 praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, being watchful to this end with all perseverance and supplication for all the saints—

I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the understanding (interpretation). I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the understanding (interpretation).

These verses are nothing to do with tongues. The word 'tongues' is never mentioned in Ephesians or Jude. Praying in the Spirit here is praying in your native language.

Eph 6:18 "And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord’s people."

How can you make requests for the Lord's people if you don't know what you are saying?

If praying in the Spirit was tongues then every time we pray we should only pray in tongues and never in English - "on all occasions" it says.

No, praying in the Spirit simply means praying with the Spirit's leading. Same as we walk in the Spirit, and worship in the Spirit.



The spirit in 1 Cor 14:14-15 is the human spirit, not the Holy Spirit. v14 "my spirit prays"

 

[PollyJetix]

These verses are nothing to do with tongues. The word 'tongues' is never mentioned in Ephesians or Jude. Praying in the Spirit here is praying in your native language.

Eph 6:18 "And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord’s people."

How can you make requests for the Lord's people if you don't know what you are saying?

If praying in the Spirit was tongues then every time we pray we should only pray in tongues and never in English - "on all occasions" it says.

No, praying in the Spirit simply means praying with the Spirit's leading. Same as we walk in the Spirit, and worship in the Spirit.

"on all occasions' does NOT have the meaning of "ONLY in that manner."
It means to pray in tongues on all occasions. It doesn't mean to eliminate prayer in English on those occasions.
As I Cor 14 says, pray with the spirit, and also pray with the understanding.
You can't do both at the same time. The context proves that.
"With the spirit" is obviously defined by the context as "in tongues".
And since the context also says clearly that "if I pray in tongues, my understanding is unfruitful", then it stands to reason that praying "with the spirit" which is "in tongues" is also "without fruitful understanding."
You need to read those verses more closely, and let it define its own terms, as good interpretation requires.

1Corinthians 14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?

 

[swordsman1]

"on all occasions' does NOT have the meaning of "ONLY in that manner."
It means to pray in tongues on all occasions. It doesn't mean to eliminate prayer in English on those occasions.
As I Cor 14 says, pray with the spirit, and also pray with the understanding.
You can't do both at the same time. The context proves that.
"With the spirit" is obviously defined by the context as "in tongues".
And since the context also says clearly that "if I pray in tongues, my understanding is unfruitful", then it stands to reason that praying "with the spirit" which is "in tongues" is also "without fruitful understanding."
You need to read those verses more closely, and let it define its own terms, as good interpretation requires.

"all occasions" means all occasions - ie every time you pray. We should always pray with the Holy Spirit's leading. But not pray in tongues every time you pray! That would also have been impossible because not everyone had the gift of tongues (see 1 Cor 12:30 and many other verses).

The spirit in 1 Cor 14:14-15 is the human spirit, not the Holy Spirit. v14 "my spirit prays"

 

[PollyJetix]

...not everyone had the gift of tongues (see 1 Cor 12:30 and many other verses).

Not true.
I Corinthians 12:30 is the bottom of a larger list. And it has a context. Let's read:

28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

Notice it says "are all prophets?" Does this mean that not all can prophesy?
Look at 1 Cor 14:31

For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.

Obviously, the list given at the end of chapter 12 was precisely what the Lord said: These were "some set in the church."
This list is obviously a list of offices, with spiritual gifts specially for those offices. Not all are apostles. But all are "sent ones'. Not all are teachers. But all do teach at some point or other. Not all speak with tongues... but "I would that ye all spake with tongues!" And "not all prophesy", yet, even though Paul (or rather the Holy Ghost, who inspired the Word!) woudl that all spoke in tongues, yet he would rather that we all prophesy! And we are to covet earnestly the best gifts... which most non-Pentecostals claim is prophecy... yet, not all can prophesy, according to their teachings concerning that list in chapter 12.

Which is it? Can all prophesy? Then all can speak in tongues.
And it is the will not only of Paul, but of the HOLY GHOST, that all speak with tongues!

The spirit in 1 Cor 14:14-15 is the human spirit, not the Holy Spirit. v14 "my spirit prays"

Yes? No problem. When we pray in tongues, it's our spirit praying, without the brain running interference.
I do not claim that when I speak in tongues, that it's GOD doing the praying.

This changes nothing.
I Corinthians 14:14 defines clearly that when I pray in tongues, I pray with my spirit, but I do not understand.
I Corinthians 14:16 defines clearly that if I bless God with the spirit, he who sits by does not understand.

How in the world, then, can you claim to be interpreting Scripture correctly, when you claim that verse 15 means something entirely different, when it talks about praying with the spirit, and with the understanding?

The context defines praying in/with the spirit as NOT praying with the understanding!

You can't do both at the same time!

 

[1stcenturylady]

These verses are nothing to do with tongues. The word 'tongues' is never mentioned in Ephesians or Jude. Praying in the Spirit here is praying in your native language.

Eph 6:18 "And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord’s people."

How can you make requests for the Lord's people if you don't know what you are saying?

If praying in the Spirit was tongues then every time we pray we should only pray in tongues and never in English - "on all occasions" it says.

No, praying in the Spirit simply means praying with the Spirit's leading. Same as we walk in the Spirit, and worship in the Spirit.



The spirit in 1 Cor 14:14-15 is the human spirit, not the Holy Spirit. v14 "my spirit prays"

Just as I expected. You refuse to believe in praying in the Spirit. Your human reasoning says it is your native language, even though it says Spirit. I'm done. Paul said it best, "Let him who is ignorant, remain ignorant."

 

[1stcenturylady]

Not true.
I Corinthians 12:30 is the bottom of a larger list. And it has a context. Let's read:

Notice it says "are all prophets?" Does this mean that not all can prophesy?
Look at 1 Cor 14:31
Obviously, the list given at the end of chapter 12 was precisely what the Lord said: These were "some set in the church."
This list is obviously a list of offices, with spiritual gifts specially for those offices. Not all are apostles. But all are "sent ones'. Not all are teachers. But all do teach at some point or other. Not all speak with tongues... but "I would that ye all spake with tongues!" And "not all prophesy", yet, even though Paul (or rather the Holy Ghost, who inspired the Word!) woudl that all spoke in tongues, yet he would rather that we all prophesy! And we are to covet earnestly the best gifts... which most non-Pentecostals claim is prophecy... yet, not all can prophesy, according to their teachings concerning that list in chapter 12.

Which is it? Can all prophesy? Then all can speak in tongues.
And it is the will not only of Paul, but of the HOLY GHOST, that all speak with tongues!


Yes? No problem. When we pray in tongues, it's our spirit praying, without the brain running interference.
I do not claim that when I speak in tongues, that it's GOD doing the praying.

This changes nothing.
I Corinthians 14:14 defines clearly that when I pray in tongues, I pray with my spirit, but I do not understand.
I Corinthians 14:16 defines clearly that if I bless God with the spirit, he who sits by does not understand.

How in the world, then, can you claim to be interpreting Scripture correctly, when you claim that verse 15 means something entirely different, when it talks about praying with the spirit, and with the understanding?

The context defines praying in/with the spirit as NOT praying with the understanding!

You can't do both at the same time!

Go for it, but I'm done.

 

[PollyJetix]

Go for it, but I'm done.

My bed calleth me.