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Speaking in Tongues- did all in the NT do it?

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That is what I meant. I was in churches where unbelievers were present, the elders were speaking in tongues, people going up for prayer who spoke in tongues.... people in the congregation standing up and jumping and blurting out tongues.... and the unbelievers often left still unbelievers.

What about this then? I have known people, including myself who were filled with the Spirit and manifested gifts other than tongues. I have spoken in legitimate tongues a few times. I have also spoken in what I think were mimiced tongues under the emotionalism of the service.
However, I know for a fact God manifested both prophecy and discernment of spirits before I ever spoke a word in tongues. The prophecy was of predictive nature and did come to pass exactly. (Not vague either like some of the prophecies you hear) and the discernment hit the nail on the head about the condition of people I didn't even know and the dark things they were involved with. These gifts have manifested from time to time over the past 22 years. They don't happen daily or even weekly but I know they are gifts of the Spirit and therefore evidence of the filling.

By the way something really cool happened yesterday after I posted here. I went to the post office and there is a Church of God across the street. I noticed something white fliting around the steeple and saw it was a bird. It landed on the little white cross on top of the steeple and I saw then it was a pure white dove! I walked up to the church to watch it closer. It stayed on the cross for about 2 minutes then spread its wings and flew around the steeple again, then took off to land in a tall radio antenea. Dove = symbolic of Holy Spirit, landing on the steeple of a pentecostal church right after we were here talking about the baptism of the Holy Spirit!
Cool.

I would say that your position is essentially charismatic . . . but not quite Pentecostal.

I am very very very close to tongues as IPE. Onle because of Acts 8 am I not . . . but remember that the Pentecostal articulation is that tongues are the INITIAL evidence . . . and subsequent fillings may be marked by other things.
 
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All born again Christians do not speak in tongues.

All Spirit-filled Christians do not speak in tongues.

But all Spirit-filled Christians have the priviledge of speaking to God in tongues (1 Cor 14:2), if they in faith choose to partake of this gift.

"Now I wish that you all spoke in tongues" - Paul speaking in 1 Cor 14:5

If it's good enough for Paul, it's good enough for me.

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All born again Christians do not speak in tongues.

All Spirit-filled Christians do not speak in tongues.

But all Spirit-filled Christians have the priviledge of speaking to God in tongues (1 Cor 14:2), if they in faith choose to partake of this gift.


That is correct! :thumbsup:

I remember a story our pastor told us of a man who was asked if he had the gift of tongues. He said no, he couldn't do that. The man responded with, "Oh, you have the gift, but you haven't used it yet!" He laid hands on him, prayed for it and the man began speaking in tongues!
 
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Paul ended the discussion on tongues by saying this:

Therefore, my brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak in tongues. But all things must be done properly and in an orderly manner. (1 Cor 14:39-40)

In late 2005, trustees of the International Mission Board (Southern Baptist) voted to bar future missionaries from using "private prayer language," or speaking in tongues in private.

Baring the public gift of prophesy, either in the group's language or with tongues/interpretation, is one thing. But how or why does any group think they have the right to bar what we do in our private prayer time, in clear violation of Scripture?

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Paul ended the discussion on tongues by saying this:

Therefore, my brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak in tongues. But all things must be done properly and in an orderly manner. (1 Cor 14:39-40)

In late 2005, trustees of the International Mission Board (Southern Baptist) voted to bar future missionaries from using "private prayer language," or speaking in tongues in private.

Baring the public gift of prophesy, either in the group's language or with tongues/interpretation, is one thing. But how or why does any group think they have the right to bar what we do in our private prayer time, in clear violation of Scripture?

Blessings

They do not have the right, at least in Gods eyes. That's why I don't go for denominationalism. Some churches forbid the use of tongues, while others say if you don't speak in tongues as the initial evidence you are not filled with the spirit. And even in non-denom we have extremes. One church I attended (The same one with the prayer lines for the baptism I mentioned in previous posts) actually taught if you were not baptized in the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues you were not saved!

I believe not all speak in tongues, whether as an evidence of the HSB or prayer language or gift - but no one should forbid anyone from speaking in tongues with the exception of in congregation blurting out tongues without interpretation.... and even there I believe discernment should be used because in some cases one person might have a message in tongues and another meant to interpret but the interpreter lacks the courage or faith to speak out the interpretation. I actually caught this one time. It was several minutes after the tongues without interpretation and I realized I reckognized words in the message, then God showed me the message. I jotted it down and showed the pastor after the service. I normally do not get interpretation but this seemed a special case. I did not speak it aloud because I believe someone else had been meant to, plus I didn't get it till several minutes later when the song service had already gone in other directions. What came of all this is the pastor encouraged all to seek and be open by faith to the gifts of the Spirit. That was 10 years ago.
 
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1 Cor 14:5 Now I wish that you all spoke in tongues, but even more that you would prophesy; and greater is one who prophesies than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may receive edifying.

Anyone who gives a message in tongues should also be ready to interpret. Otherwise, don't do this openly. Pray privately to yourself and to God.

It's as simple and as difficult as that!

Blessings
 
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I think that those who are given the gift of speaking in tongues should use it. Those who do not have that gift, should not feel bad about it.

God gave me the gift of writing and teaching about the Bible, explaining things, and having a strong power to pray for others. But I do not have the gift of tongues... yet I know who my Master is and that I have salvation.
 
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A question that must be brooched is "What is speaking in tongues?" Quite clearly those demonstrated in Acts 2 were human languages. Is the claim that people who speak today speak other languages? In my experiences in a Pentecostal church before I became a member of Christ's church, was that these were not human languages, but just a selesction of sounds made by well-intentioned men and women.

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Indeed, what is speaking in tongues?

"And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;" Mark 6:17

A new 'tongue' may be another language other than your own native one, but it may also be replacement (spiritually) of that most unruly member spoken of by James.

Do all speak in tongues? If a person is save he does speak a new language, the language of Christ and he also understands it (whether it is a language other than English may or may not be the case):

"And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them." Mark 4:11-12

The parables were the 'tongues' that Jesus spoke. Those that were to understand the mysteries of God were able to understand them. Those, however, without 'ears to hear and eyes to see' could not understand them.

As to the tongues of today some of which are actually others languages (as English is a language): At the start they are not languages at all but efforts which are appreciated and therefore understood by our heavenly Father. This is akin to a natural baby who babbles and makes sounds with no real meaning at first except to his parents. Then in time the sounds begin to form imitations of words spoken by his parents. Later the words become phrases and then complete sentences.

"For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people." Isa 28:10-11

At the start God speaks to us simply teaching us by speaking in effect a spiritual baby talk to which we will reply in kind. As we grow in Him, He then begins to speak to us in a more sophisticated manner which is 'another tongue' and we will be taught by Him to reply in kind.

"I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able." I Cor 3:2

Many people who have been drawn to Christ become stunted in their growth because they have become lukewarm in their love of and pursuit of Truth.

"For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil." Heb 5:12-14

In the tongues of languages (similar to English) this growth or lack of growth is displayed by the advancement into a real language or the continuance of baby talk. God does not want us to remain babies all of our spiritual lives.

Whether we simply speak in a form of parables in English (or what native language we speak) or we speak in another 'unknown' language such as Chinese, it is another tongue 'from God'.

Why do we all not always understand each other if we are all Christians? Because all of are not on the same page and probably none of are completely fluent in the 'new language', but God, the Teacher understands everything that we say.
 
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Indeed, what is speaking in tongues?

"And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;" Mark 6:17

A new 'tongue' may be another language other than your own native one, but it may also be replacement (spiritually) of that most unruly member spoken of by James.

Do all speak in tongues? If a person is save he does speak a new language, the language of Christ and he also understands it (whether it is a language other than English may or may not be the case):

"And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them." Mark 4:11-12

The parables were the 'tongues' that Jesus spoke. Those that were to understand the mysteries of God were able to understand them. Those, however, without 'ears to hear and eyes to see' could not understand them.

As to the tongues of today some of which are actually others languages (as English is a language): At the start they are not languages at all but efforts which are appreciated and therefore understood by our heavenly Father. This is akin to a natural baby who babbles and makes sounds with no real meaning at first except to his parents. Then in time the sounds begin to form imitations of words spoken by his parents. Later the words become phrases and then complete sentences.

"For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people." Isa 28:10-11

At the start God speaks to us simply teaching us by speaking in effect a spiritual baby talk to which we will reply in kind. As we grow in Him, He then begins to speak to us in a more sophisticated manner which is 'another tongue' and we will be taught by Him to reply in kind.

"I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able." I Cor 3:2

Many people who have been drawn to Christ become stunted in their growth because they have become lukewarm in their love of and pursuit of Truth.

"For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil." Heb 5:12-14

In the tongues of languages (similar to English) this growth or lack of growth is displayed by the advancement into a real language or the continuance of baby talk. God does not want us to remain babies all of our spiritual lives.

Whether we simply speak in a form of parables in English (or what native language we speak) or we speak in another 'unknown' language such as Chinese, it is another tongue 'from God'.

Why do we all not always understand each other if we are all Christians? Because all of are not on the same page and probably none of are completely fluent in the 'new language', but God, the Teacher understands everything that we say.
Actually the historical usage of glossais connected with lalein is pretty clear . . . it is ecstatic unintelligible speech.
 
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Actually tongues are,

"we hear them in our own tongues speaking of the mighty deeds of God." (Acts 2:11),

and,

"For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries" (1 Cor 14:2).

Let's be guided by the truth of Scripture, instead of our own opinions. God certainly understands what we are speaking.
 
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Actually tongues are,

"we hear them in our own tongues speaking of the mighty deeds of God." (Acts 2:11),

and,

"For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries" (1 Cor 14:2).

Let's be guided by the truth of Scripture, instead of our own opinions.
Clarify please.
 
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All born again Christians do not speak in tongues.

All Spirit-filled Christians do not speak in tongues.

But all Spirit-filled Christians have the priviledge of speaking to God in tongues (1 Cor 14:2), if they in faith choose to partake of this gift.

"Now I wish that you all spoke in tongues" - Paul speaking in 1 Cor 14:5

If it's good enough for Paul, it's good enough for me.

Blessings
All Spirit-filled Christians in the LUKAN sense will . . . but not the Pauline sense.
 
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Clarify please.
You said, "it is ecstatic unintelligible speech."

Those who heard them speaking in tongues in Acts 2:11 certainly understood what was being said.

Paul says when we speak in tongues, we speak to God (1 Cor 14:2) and we edify ourselves (1 Cor 14:4). It's not unintelligible to God.
 
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You said, "it is ecstatic unintelligible speech."

Those who heard them speaking in tongues in Acts 2:11 certainly understood what was being said.

Paul says when we speak in tongues, we speak to God (1 Cor 14:2) and we edify ourselves (1 Cor 14:4). It's not unintelligible to God.
Unintelligible to God . . . agreed . . . not to Him . . . hence the gift of interpretation given by the Spirit.

But Acts 2 . . . do you know Greek?

What was spoken (glossias) wasn't the same as what was heard (dialektos) . . .

The picture gets even deeper than this when examined . . . but suffice to say that the exp. of Acts 2 isn't universal in Acts . . . 10 and 19 have no referrence to the understanding in the languages of the hearers.
 
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Unintelligible to God . . . agreed . . . not to Him . . . hence the gift of interpretation given by the Spirit.

But Acts 2 . . . do you know Greek?

What was spoken (glossias) wasn't the same as what was heard (dialektos) . . .

The picture gets even deeper than this when examined . . . but suffice to say that the exp. of Acts 2 isn't universal in Acts . . . 10 and 19 have no referrence to the understanding in the languages of the hearers.
The gift of tongues can be manifested 2 ways in the life Spirit-filled Christians:

(1) In one's private devotion/prayer time with the Lord. No interpretation is required, and the one is edified in one's spirit man. Acts 14:2, 4

(2) In the church where interpretation is required. Acts 14:5
 
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Actually the historical usage of glossais connected with lalein is pretty clear . . . it is ecstatic unintelligible speech.

Yes, some will support man's history as true, but most of man's history is vague and often wrong.

If a historian did witness something himself and wrote it down objectively and accurately to the best of his ability, there is still a very good chance that his rendering was flawed because his perception of it was flawed. (e.g. his vision was blurred or obscured; he had a hearing problem that he was unaware of [not uncommon], etc.)

If he did not personally witness it, then how dependable were his sources? Were any of them politically motivated or otherwise in giving their version of the event? How many any historian have been coerced into writing a history favorable to the current government in power?

If the first transcription of the event was made by a person who heard the story from someone else, who heard the story from someone else, etc. some accuracy was almost certainly lost in each retelling.

Some historians have been like some news reporters: They enhance the events to make them more interesting to the readers.

Etc., etc.
 
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Yes, some will support man's history as true, but most of man's history is vague and often wrong.

If a historian did witness something himself and wrote it down objectively and accurately to the best of his ability, there is still a very good chance that his rendering was flawed because his perception of it was flawed. (e.g. his vision was blurred or obscured; he had a hearing problem that he was unaware of [not uncommon], etc.)

If he did not personally witness it, then how dependable were his sources? Were any of them politically motivated or otherwise in giving their version of the event? How many any historian have been coerced into writing a history favorable to the current government in power?

If the first transcription of the event was made by a person who heard the story from someone else, who heard the story from someone else, etc. some accuracy was almost certainly lost in each retelling.

Some historians have been like some news reporters: They enhance the events to make them more interesting to the readers.

Etc., etc.
This really has nothing to do with my point about linguistic usage . . . which is not the relation of perception of events but the usage of words . . . within which vaugeness is much less then redacting an event and determinig what are facts and what are interpolations.

Regardless . . . we see the scriptures as inspired . . . so we have the communication that God wants us to have . . . and as far as Luke as a historian goes . . . time and again he has been proven right and accurate.
 
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The gift of tongues can be manifested 2 ways in the life Spirit-filled Christians:

(1) In one's private devotion/prayer time with the Lord. No interpretation is required, and the one is edified in one's spirit man. Acts 14:2, 4

(2) In the church where interpretation is required. Acts 14:5
Agreed . . .

but this wasn't the issue . . . your post:

Actually tongues are,

"we hear them in our own tongues speaking of the mighty deeds of God." (Acts 2:11),

and,

"For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries" (1 Cor 14:2).

Let's be guided by the truth of Scripture, instead of our own opinions. God certainly understands what we are speaking.

was.

Unintelligible would be the descriptive term to deliniate the ontology of tongues . . . hence Paul saying that his mind doesn't understand. Even if God understands . . . unintelligible still accurately relates tongues . . . for that is how Paul descibes it.
 
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Refrus--

Yes, some people claim that "all" should speak in tongues but I notice that the Bible DOESN'T say this. No, not ALL spoke in tongues. The Apostle Paul said that we need charity (LOVE) which is the most important. And Tongues is the least of the gifts!

Also, I have a friend that thinks that if a person doesn't speak in tongues then they get the Holy Spirit than they arn't saved. This is a cult religion and again not biblical. God gives people the Holy Spirit is various ways and its not regulated to a man made wall.
 
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