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Even voodoo practitioners do this.
As far as the idea that Cessationists claim that 'the Perfect' (complete or mature if you will) represents the completion and distribution of the New Testament -- what scripture support does THAT have?
Where does it say that the completed New Testament is what is being talked about - what chapter and verse says the finished New Testament is when 'through a glass darkly' changes to 'face to face' and partial knowledge becomes full knowledge?
Corinthians does not come right out and say what many non-Cessationists believe - that face to face and full knowledge coming means the state after Christ's return, no, but neither does it in any way infer that "a completed Bible" is what is meant by that either.
So the Cessationists' claim that what is referred to is not the state after Christ's return - well, their claim about what face to face and full knowledge does mean in that passage is in no way supported by the Bible either.
We have had completed Bibles for - what - 19 centuries maybe? Do we have full knowledge yet? Don't we still see through a glass darkly compared to the time when "we shall be like Him because we will see Him as He is"?
What scripture states this? The Bible does not say that angels have voice boxes or that they do not have voice boxes. We cannot claim Biblical truth based on what the Bible does not speak about.since Angels do not have voice boxes
In Mt 28:1-8 we read about the angel who rolled away the stone from Jesus tomb and spoke to the women who had come to the tomb. The angel did not appear in human form and spoke to the women. Therefore angels do not always assume human form to communicate to humans.You are now referring to angels who have been sent to Earth as messengers. Of course they have to have assumed human form in order to relate to us,
Angels are mentioned in Isaish 6:3 as praising God in heaven. The shepherds were witnesses to the angels praising God in Luke 2:8-15. The description of angels praising God is not just found in Revelation.The whole of Revelation is the record of a VISION. It is not meant literally.
Just saying, if you cannot support your claims from scripture you run the risk.VOO-DOO!!! Inviting demons into our lives!! Dopaminergic genetic activity gone wild! Pleasure-seeking and stress reduction! "They're doing it to get a high!"
Bring it on, Cessationists -- BRING IT ON!!
The more you say, the sillier you sound.
That's an interesting piece, but it appears that while tongues are defended by Augustine, it is not ecstatic tongues or the so-called angelic tongues that todays Charismatics promote, but actual languages by which the church spread its message to unconverted peoples of distant lands.https://charlesasullivan.com/3662/an-analysis-of-augustine-on-tongues-and-the-donatists/
A bit on Augustine vs the Donatists, who indeed did practice tongues in that day.
Still no scripture to support your views?Oh, ask not for whom the bell tolls -- it tolls for me...
Perhaps the objection is that ALL Cessationists do indeed claim that THE PERFECT means the completion of the New Testament -- I know there are Cessationists who do not claim that; but going back to college days when a Coffeehouse Director shoved his Bible in my face with both hands and and said "THIS!!" (meaning the Perfect had come) -- many Cessationists do indeed claim the finished Bible is what caused Tongues to 'cease'.
Enlighten me on whatever else I may have misrepresented Cessationists as.
Eph 2:20
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
How in the world does someone get a "temporal nature" of the apostles and prophets from that verse?
JESUS CALLING by Sarah Young and GOD CALLING by the '2 listeners' back in the 30's are both very popular devotional books - I have both of them, but there are caveats concerning them. The THOUGHTS expressed are WONDERFUL in content -- yet the message is that God/Jesus is DICTATING IN THE FIRST PERSON. I am a little uncomfortable with that, if it is said that Jesus is dictating something in the first person, I want to see it in the Bible.
Anything close to automatic writing makes me suspicious.
As far as the idea that Cessationists claim that 'the Perfect' (complete or mature if you will) represents the completion and distribution of the New Testament -- what scripture support does THAT have?
Where does it say that the completed New Testament is what is being talked about - what chapter and verse says the finished New Testament is when 'through a glass darkly' changes to 'face to face' and partial knowledge becomes full knowledge?
Corinthians does not come right out and say what many non-Cessationists believe - that face to face and full knowledge coming means the state after Christ's return, no, but neither does it in any way infer that "a completed Bible" is what is meant by that either.
So the Cessationists' claim that what is referred to is not the state after Christ's return - well, their claim about what face to face and full knowledge does mean in that passage is in no way supported by the Bible either.
We have had completed Bibles for - what - 19 centuries maybe? Do we have full knowledge yet? Don't we still see through a glass darkly compared to the time when "we shall be like Him because we will see Him as He is"?
Another humorous incident is forthcoming about THE CESSATIONIST COFFEEHOUSE back in college days, rather, a coffeehouse where the Director was a staunch cessationist.
Hillsage, when are ya gonna GO DEEP and share this teaching that you hinted at?
Ya waitin on Jennifer to say "no, I didn't cause yer WARNING" ?
Don't worry about them warnings -- I got two active right now -- but it is really unlawful to be uttered about what staff does
I thank my God I have warnings more than ye all
It stands to reason then that they were included in the promise and that they are still applicable in these last days to everyone whom the Lord will call. Right?No, but neither is that the topic here. I've noted before that no one is arguing that there never was any gifting by the Holy Spirit of the items mentioned in Corinthians.
And the gifts are a subset thereof. Manifestations of which, cannot be separated from the whole. Unless you are claiming that someone can receive the Holy Spirit with ZERO manifestations.Here the genitive τοῦ ἁγίου πνεύματος (tou hagiou pneumatos) is a genitive of apposition; the gift consists of the Holy Spirit.
Biblical Studies Press. (2005). The NET Bible First Edition; Bible. English. NET Bible.; The NET Bible. Biblical Studies Press.
Some remain but the charismatic gifts did not. They only came through the apostles' hands after the two outpourings.And the gifts are a subset thereof. Manifestations of which, cannot be separated from the whole. Unless you are claiming that someone can receive the Holy Spirit with ZERO manifestations.
Actually you are inferring that those who received the Spirit after water baptism on the day of Pentecost had no manifestations, right? Because you claim it meant without manifestations. ???
Wrong. It is not a matter of reasoning, but of the Bibles testimony. I am not the one who presented that verse as evidence in the discussion about tongues ceasing. However, and because it was presented, we have to admit that it does not promise anything about tongues in the future but that the Holy Spirit will be given to the believers (of all times). That's the meaning of the verse.It stands to reason then that they were included in the promise and that they are still applicable in these last days to everyone whom the Lord will call. Right?
The "Apostles' hands"?Some remain but the charismatic gifts did not. They only came through the apostles' hands after the two outpourings.
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