Speaking curses over yourself?

[ServantJohn]

The other day, I was asked how I was doing and told the old friend about my back problems to which they quickly replied,"Don't speak curses over yourself." I had heard similar teaching through the years, but was never shown in Scripture where this teaching comes from. As a side note, doctors did an MRI of my back and there are actual, real problems with it. Can anyone give me some better understanding on the teaching she is talking about with Scripture references?

 

[ToBeBlessed]

There are denominations that put quite a lot of power on the spoken word. They believe that to speak something is in effect putting it out there and that it will then happen.

No scripture reference as I don't believe there is scriptural support for this belief. I believe that it is more the belief of men, putting themselves in a similar position as in the Word where God said "Let there be light" and possibly trying to recreate something. We know that scripture is God breathed. I think they try to create things from actually speaking words. That that process somehow allows them to do and be similar to God in that respect. Very confusing to me.

 

[ServantJohn]

Thank you ToBeBlessed. I really just don't know. I was taught early in the power of spoken words, but wasn't really sure where it came from. As for cursing myself or another believer for that matter, I have long disagreed with the possibility since "greater is He that is in [me]..." (1 John 4:4) and "an undeserved curse does not come to rest" (Proverbs 26:2).

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Thank you ToBeBlessed. I really just don't know. I was taught early in the power of spoken words, but wasn't really sure where it came from. As for cursing myself or another believer for that matter, I have long disagreed with the possibility since "greater is He that is in [me]..." (1 John 4:4) and "an undeserved curse does not come to rest" (Proverbs 26:2).

I agree that there is nothing in Scripture that one is speaking curses over themselves if they talk about their problems. New Covenant Christians are new creatures in Christ and children of God, therefore they are set free from all curses and the devil cannot get near them.

I speak to your back and I say, "Be totally healed... and I don't mean maybe!"

 

[ServantJohn]

I agree that there is nothing in Scripture that one is speaking curses over themselves if they talk about their problems. New Covenant Christians are new creatures in Christ and children of God, therefore they are set free from all curses and the devil cannot get near them.

I speak to your back and I say, "Be totally healed... and I don't mean maybe!"

Thank you for your response and prayer Oscarr. and Amen!

 

[Messy]

The other day, I was asked how I was doing and told the old friend about my back problems to which they quickly replied,"Don't speak curses over yourself." I had heard similar teaching through the years, but was never shown in Scripture where this teaching comes from. As a side note, doctors did an MRI of my back and there are actual, real problems with it. Can anyone give me some better understanding on the teaching she is talking about with Scripture references?

Lol then why did she ask? My ex went to a Word of Faith Bible school for a year. One pastor there, lol, when his nose was full of snot they'd ask him how he was doing and he'd say: Wonderful! Hallelujah!!!
But it really works. The text is: Believe that you have received it and you shall have it and By His stripes we are healed, so these are just lying symptoms. By confessing His Word over me for a year and declaring I was healed and totally capable, although I couldnt even go to the office, my shoulder, I had RSI, there was nothing they could do about it, after a year of confessing I believed it (faith comes by hearing), got prayer, did something I couldn't do, slammed the floor and I was healed. Oh another text: He has blessed us with every gift in the heavenlies.
What I did was confess the Word to myself, not when my boss would ask how I was doing saying: oh awesome, I'm healed, lol, because then I had to work and I couldn't.

 

[ServantJohn]

Lol then why did she ask? My ex went to a Word of Faith Bible school for a year. One pastor there, lol, when his nose was full of snot they'd ask him how he was doing and he'd say: Wonderful! Hallelujah!!!
But it really works. The text is: Believe that you have received it and you shall have it and By His stripes we are healed, so these are just lying symptoms. By confessing His Word over me for a year and declaring I was healed and totally capable, although I couldnt even go to the office, my shoulder, I had RSI, there was nothing they could do about it, after a year of confessing I believed it (faith comes by hearing), got prayer, did something I couldn't do, slammed the floor and I was healed. Oh another text: He has blessed us with every gift in the heavenlies.
What I did was confess the Word to myself, not when my boss would ask how I was doing saying: oh awesome, I'm healed, lol, because then I had to work and I couldn't.

Good point. Why did she ask then? LOL

A few years ago, I got in an argument with my wife right before going to church. As I approached the door of the church, one of the greeters asked how I was doing. I think he regretted asking when I decided to be honest to see what his response would be.

 

[Alithis]

The other day, I was asked how I was doing and told the old friend about my back problems to which they quickly replied,"Don't speak curses over yourself." I had heard similar teaching through the years, but was never shown in Scripture where this teaching comes from. As a side note, doctors did an MRI of my back and there are actual, real problems with it. Can anyone give me some better understanding on the teaching she is talking about with Scripture references?

I agree that there is nothing in Scripture that one is speaking curses over themselves if they talk about their problems. New Covenant Christians are new creatures in Christ and children of God, therefore they are set free from all curses and the devil cannot get near them.

I speak to your back and I say, "Be totally healed... and I don't mean maybe!"

I like this ... and say AMEN also .unreservedly

and to the topic .. in effect oscar just spoke blessing ... which he did well , for it is written "bless and curse not "
it is also written , "there is power of life and death in the tongue "
it is also written from the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks " ..Oscars heart is filled with faith, so he speaks it out

often all people mean when they use an extreme version of things by saying something as strong as, "don't speak curses on yourself", is to not speak out things which do not agree with gods blessing for you .. because if it is spoken from the heart then it means there is an aspect of unbelief in our hearts coning out and that is what we are speaking out .. and if we do not agree with Gods blessing then the reverse or opposite can be deemd to be cursing (in that context )
It is also written "let no unwholesome talk come out of your mouth "-people often only allow for a singular meaning for that but do not realized that when we speak ,we speak from the abundance of the heart and if we speak in opposition to the word of god ,then that ,is VERY unwholsome talk .
thus we need to be filled with the holy Ghost and filled with the WORD of truth and speak forth only that .

it is also written "we live by faith NOT by sight . so never equate fact to be automatically the truth .. by this i mean ..its ok to be honest , the "fact is .. such and such is not right in my body .. the truth is -the Lord Jesus heals you .., Now , go back and read those words again. live by FAITH ...NOT by sight .

we see facts ..but we believe truth . JEsus said .." i am the way ,the truth and the life " ..

im all excited now haha

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Lol then why did she ask? My ex went to a Word of Faith Bible school for a year. One pastor there, lol, when his nose was full of snot they'd ask him how he was doing and he'd say: Wonderful! Hallelujah!!!
But it really works. The text is: Believe that you have received it and you shall have it and By His stripes we are healed, so these are just lying symptoms. By confessing His Word over me for a year and declaring I was healed and totally capable, although I couldnt even go to the office, my shoulder, I had RSI, there was nothing they could do about it, after a year of confessing I believed it (faith comes by hearing), got prayer, did something I couldn't do, slammed the floor and I was healed. Oh another text: He has blessed us with every gift in the heavenlies.
What I did was confess the Word to myself, not when my boss would ask how I was doing saying: oh awesome, I'm healed, lol, because then I had to work and I couldn't.

I like your faith. Don't give it away for anything. You need to know that it is not your faith that heals you. When Jesus said that to someone He was speaking to an unconverted person under the old covenant. Under the new covenant it is the risen Christ who heals you and if you have the faith to say "Jesus heals me" then it will happen. If another believer says "Jesus heals you" it will happen too. Also the symptoms are real. They are not lies. That's Christian Science thinking. When Jesus heals the symptoms go. That's what happened in the gospels. To say you are healed while the symptoms are there cannot be faith because there is nothing in scripture that supports that thinking. But repeated assertions that Jesus heals me is fully supported because it comes under perseverance. We don't give up until the healing comes. So I don't believe a person is healed until the symptoms disappear.

 

[Alive_Again]

It kind of goes with the binding and loosing.

You can surely speak from one of two sources. One blesses and the other oppresses. It's life or death. It's the very thing we need the armor for. Have you seen any believers wearing physical armor, figthing physical enemies? At least not for centuries.

The battle is in the spirit realm. God and the angels use what we permit or forbid (bind or loose) as a blessing, based on agreement with God's Word and plan. As a restriction also based on what you agree with.

Depending on how much you operate in discernment of spirit, you can really sense what's coming from a person's mouth and what source it is generated by. Curses have causes, and like spiritual warfare, it comes whether we're believers or not. We don't always deserve them, but the enemy uses what the people on this earth give them to wage war.

Regarding not speaking infirmity over your body, it is more properly said as such. It assumes that you have a revelation of God's Word regarding healing being purchased for God's people. If you're standing on the Word of God regarding your restoration, you would avoid decreeing with your own mouth the right for that to exist in your body.

As Charles Capps puts it, you're not denying your sick/have back problems, etc. You're denying its right to exist in your body (based on God's Word).

The tongue as a rudder steers the ship in the direction you want it to go, so decreeing healing is the preferred utterance. The planting of the seed of the Word in your heart, and subsequent meditation (water/light) makes for an eventual harvest. It requires your agreement from seed to full corn.

The curse thing might be looked at as what can happen when a believer does not hearken diligently to the voice of His Spirit or the Word of God. It can also be the enemy usurping the authority of the believer without any right whatsoever. The answer is always in the Word as a shield and a weapon. To depart from that allows the enemy to bring you stuff Jesus died to set you free of. I should add that submitting to God is always the first order of approach.

 

[Messy]

I like your faith. Don't give it away for anything. You need to know that it is not your faith that heals you. When Jesus said that to someone He was speaking to an unconverted person under the old covenant. Under the new covenant it is the risen Christ who heals you and if you have the faith to say "Jesus heals me" then it will happen. If another believer says "Jesus heals you" it will happen too. Also the symptoms are real. They are not lies. That's Christian Science thinking. When Jesus heals the symptoms go. That's what happened in the gospels. To say you are healed while the symptoms are there cannot be faith because there is nothing in scripture that supports that thinking. But repeated assertions that Jesus heals me is fully supported because it comes under perseverance. We don't give up until the healing comes. So I don't believe a person is healed until the symptoms disappear.

On one hand of course I agree with this. It can be reality, but it's not the truth. In the Spirit we are healed, it just has to flow to your body by keeping confessing sometimes that you received it until you see it. Like when your dad says he'll give you money. You don't see it yet, but you know you have it and can use it within 3 days when the bank is ready.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

On one hand of course I agree with this. It can be reality, but it's not the truth. In the Spirit we are healed, it just has to flow to your body by keeping confessing sometimes that you received it until you see it. Like when your dad says he'll give you money. You don't see it yet, but you know you have it and can use it within 3 days when the bank is ready.

I could be convinced if you should show me a scripture that supports it.

 

[Alithis]

Originally Posted by Messy View Post
On one hand of course I agree with this. It can be reality, but it's not the truth. In the Spirit we are healed, it just has to flow to your body by keeping confessing sometimes that you received it until you see it. Like when your dad says he'll give you money. You don't see it yet, but you know you have it and can use it within 3 days when the bank is ready.

I could be convinced if you should show me a scripture that supports it.

i wonder could messy be speaking of the principle behind faith .. we are healed in the spiritual though its not become evident i the physical "yet" as in grasping hold of that which is not as though it already is ...
i'm just wondering if that's what is being referred to .. sort of ..

 

[Messy]

I could be convinced if you should show me a scripture that supports it.

Isaiah 53:4-6

4 Surely He has borne our griefs
And carried our sorrows;
Yet we esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten by God, and afflicted.
5 But He was wounded for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes we are healed.

Ephesians 1
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus

1 Peter 2:24

24 who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed.

 

[Messy]

i wonder could messy be speaking of the principle behind faith .. we are healed in the spiritual though its not become evident i the physical "yet" as in grasping hold of that which is not as though it already is ...
i'm just wondering if that's what is being referred to .. sort of ..

Yes, speak it into existence.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

i wonder could messy be speaking of the principle behind faith .. we are healed in the spiritual though its not become evident i the physical "yet" as in grasping hold of that which is not as though it already is ...
i'm just wondering if that's what is being referred to .. sort of ..

I have yet to see a scripture that supports healing in the spiritual. What is meant by "the spiritual?"

The only reference I can see in scripture about that is that when we are born again our dead spirit is made alive in Christ, enabling us to be able to have fellowship with God in the Spirit. The Bible doesn't seem to mention anything resembling a "spiritual" realm. The only other reference to "spiritual healing" is within spiritualism which is a form of occult.

In my view, a person is either healed or they are not. Healing is that part of the body returning to normal function whether through restoration or the sickness/disease leaving. If that hasn't happened, then God has not yet started the healing process, or the actual recovery is not apparent yet while it is happening under the surface. Recovery and healing means that the person does not get any sicker but starts to improve. Instant healing is in the domain of miracles and is a different function of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Isaiah 53:4-6

4 Surely He has borne our griefs
And carried our sorrows;
Yet we esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten by God, and afflicted.
5 But He was wounded for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes we are healed.

This does not support a person being somehow healed "in faith" before the actual physical healing takes place. It is a promise that healing is part of the Atonement and is available to every new covenant Christian.

Ephesians 1
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus

Healing is not in the context of this verse, therefore it does not deal with healing and does not support some type of "pre-healing by faith" before the actual physical healing.

1 Peter 2:24

24 who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed.

This is a quote from Isaiah 53, adapted by Peter to reflect the New Covenant. This is why healing is put into the past tense. Under the Old Covenant, healing in the Atonement was something people looked forward to. In 1 Peter, the Atonement is a past event and healing is now available. But it still does not support healing 'by faith'.

Neither Jesus nor the Apostles, or the elders told anyone they were healed by faith. Jesus gave very simple commands and people were healed. So did the Apostles. When Peter told the lame man in Acts 3 to rise up and walk, that's exactly what he did. Peter did not tell that man "you're healed by faith, so now wait for what God is going to do..." Peter expected that man to be healed right on the spot and that's exactly what happened.

Most healing ministries that peddle this nonsense to sick people are merely demonstrating that they might have the words but not the power, and God is not backing them up for some reason. 'You are healed by faith" is an excuse because the "healer" has to try and justify to himself and to the sick person why there are not physical results. But we do not pray for people for results. We pray out of obedience to God's Word and leave the results to God.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Yes, speak it into existence.

Nonsense. Nowhere in the gospels or Acts was healing ever "spoken into existence". Sure, the healer spoke to the sickness, "Be healed", or "Take up your bed and walk." but the healing did not exist until God actually physically healed the person.

Speaking something into existence is not supported anywhere in Scripture. Show me if you think it is. You can use "Faith is the evidence of things not seen", or "calling the things that are not as though they are." But you need to show me by the context of those phrases that this is talking about divine healing, or speaking things into existence.

A nonsense statement would be, "I need a new car, so I speak it into existence." It might be a bit of crackpot Charismatic theology but it ain't supported in Scripture. Sorry to disappoint, but if that were true, we would all have new cars!

 

[Messy]

Nonsense. Nowhere in the gospels or Acts was healing ever "spoken into existence". Sure, the healer spoke to the sickness, "Be healed", or "Take up your bed and walk." but the healing did not exist until God actually physically healed the person.

Speaking something into existence is not supported anywhere in Scripture. Show me if you think it is. You can use "Faith is the evidence of things not seen", or "calling the things that are not as though they are." But you need to show me by the context of those phrases that this is talking about divine healing, or speaking things into existence.

A nonsense statement would be, "I need a new car, so I speak it into existence." It might be a bit of crackpot Charismatic theology but it ain't supported in Scripture. Sorry to disappoint, but if that were true, we would all have new cars!

Lol but it did work and I got healed. First heard testimonies of others who were healed this way in a healing room, continually confessing the Word and that you're healed and have received it. Of course it doesn't work with cars. There's a spiritual Ferrari in a heavenly store house for everyone? Just your greed and name it and claim it doesn't work. Or the Africans just don't have enough faith, lol. I didn't have enough faith either, I only have a bike and no driver's license.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Lol but it did work and I got healed. First heard testimonies of others who were healed this way in a healing room, continually confessing the Word and that you're healed and have received it. Of course it doesn't work with cars. There's a spiritual Ferrari in a heavenly store house for everyone? Just your greed and name it and claim it doesn't work. Or the Africans just don't have enough faith, lol. I didn't have enough faith either, I only have a bike and no driver's license.

The grace of God is always available for those at whatever type of faith He sees in a person. There is no hard and fast formula for healing. God looks at the heart of a person and acts out of grace and compassion, because that is the type of Person He is.

Hey, if you went door knocking to spread the gospel and someone said, "I'm not interested. On your bike!" You'd be able to do that...literally!!!