Speak in Tongues - essential :

[1stcenturylady]

new tongues simply means new language. this was the great commission, they were going out into the world to places that spoke different languages.

That is human reasoning, but God is beyond our reasoning. We need to be obedient, even when we don't understand, like Abraham being obedient to offer Isaac as a sacrifice when told to by God.

 

[jaybird88]

Can't say I've ever heard that interpretation before from any body in in general it's uh.. how do you put it interesting to say the least though and I see the logic behind it.

its not so much an interpretation, but rather what the word in question means.
1100. glóssa
Strong's Concordance
glóssa: the tongue, a language
Original Word: γλῶσσα, ης, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: glóssa
Phonetic Spelling: (gloce-sah')
Short Definition: the tongue, a language, nation
Definition: the tongue, a language, a nation (usually distinguished by their speech).

if the language in question is specifically meant to be understood as an angel language then its an assumption.
if one is going to assume it is an angel language than they must believe Jesus is sending them to the heavens to preach the gospel as that would be the only place that language would be spoken.

 

[Strong in Him]

We need to be obedient, even when we don't understand, like Abraham being obedient to offer Isaac as a sacrifice when told to by God.

We need to be certain that we know what God has sad, before we obey.
Are you saying that God has commanded us to speak in tongues?

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

its not so much an interpretation, but rather what the word in question means.
1100. glóssa
Strong's Concordance
glóssa: the tongue, a language
Original Word: γλῶσσα, ης, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: glóssa
Phonetic Spelling: (gloce-sah')
Short Definition: the tongue, a language, nation
Definition: the tongue, a language, a nation (usually distinguished by their speech).

if the language in question is specifically meant to be understood as an angel language then its an assumption.
if one is going to assume it is an angel language than they must believe Jesus is sending them to the heavens to preach the gospel as that would be the only place that language would be spoken.

I understand the meaning of the word I looked into that myself but I just came to a different conclusion. Also I'm confused by the your last sentence of this reply can you explain it more?

 

[jaybird88]

I understand the meaning of the word I looked into that myself but I just came to a different conclusion. Also I'm confused by the your last sentence of this reply can you explain it more?

it means angel languages are not of this world.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

it means angel languages are not of this world.

So you're saying you believe this verse is referring to that? if so K I get what you're saying now if not correct me.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

it means angel languages are not of this world.

the word also appears in acts though as well which is why to me it's comparable to the pentecost experience. But as I stated already everyone has a certain view of this very controversial verse which is why I took a risk in using it I guess but hey it fit.

 

[jaybird88]

So you're saying you believe this verse is referring to that? if so K I get what you're saying now if not correct me.

the verse makes no mention of angel languages, it says new language. this could be french, russian, etc. could it mean a language of angels, sure. but that would not fit so well into the passage as it makes little sense. why would an angel language be needed?

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

the verse makes no mention of angel languages, it says new language. this could be french, russian, etc. could it mean a language of angels, sure. but that would not fit so well into the passage as it makes little sense. why would an angel language be needed?

I never said angel language

 

[jaybird88]

I never said angel language

For starters I agree with him not just because the bible but mainly because you become so much more powerful after a speaking in tounques experience (this is based off my experience and what i've seen from others too after it) spiritually that I don't see how you can last without the experience.

what language are you referring to here?

the word also appears in acts though as well which is why to me it's comparable to the pentecost experience. But as I stated already everyone has a certain view of this very controversial verse which is why I took a risk in using it I guess but hey it fit.

what verse?

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

what language are you referring to here?


what verse?

Acts 2 I think it's verse 4 could be wrong though. And I'm referring to simply speaking in a new language that wasn't learned, I've experienced this myself personally also. The verse stems from a Greek word or whatever that references as you point out speaking in a new language which was what was experienced at pentocost

 

[jaybird88]

Acts 2 I think it's verse 4 could be wrong though. And I'm referring to simply speaking in a new language that wasn't learned, I've experienced this myself personally also. The verse stems from a Greek word or whatever that references as you point out speaking in a new language which was what was experienced at pentocost

what was the new language?

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

what was the new language?

If you look further in acts 2 I believe you'll see the different places of origin of the Jews that were present on that day. Languages from those locations and more were spoken considering the fact that some understood others speaking in their language. That's what I'm referring to, speaking in a language a new one that an indidivual never learned before. I have yet to figure out what mine is but it sounds Indian to me. But yeah

 

[jaybird88]

If you look further in acts 2 I believe you'll see the different places of origin of the Jews that were present on that day. Languages from those locations and more were spoken considering the fact that some understood others speaking in their language. That's what I'm referring to, speaking in a language a new one that an indidivual never learned before.

thats the way i understand it.
most tongue people today believe tongues means an angel/spirit language not of this world. i dont believe it lines up with scripture.

 

[1stcenturylady]

We need to be certain that we know what God has sad, before we obey.
Are you saying that God has commanded us to speak in tongues?

1 Cor. 14:39 Therefore, brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak with tongues.

We aren't commanded TO speak in tongues, but we are cautioned not to forbid ourselves, or anyone else to speak with tongues.

Also,

Mark 16:16-18

16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues;

Were you baptized out of obedience? He has given us a way to pray perfect prayers that are always His will. Wouldn't it be foolish not to use it.

 

[tampasteve]

Were you baptized out of obedience? He has given us a way to pray perfect prayers that are always His will. Wouldn't it be foolish not to use it.

I personally do not mind if someone prays in tongues, if it works for them then great! However, I have an issue with the last sentence. I would rather turn it around :Wouldn't it be better to pray to your lord in a language you understand, to glorify Him with everything you have and words you know, words that make sense to you as well? Praying in "tongues" just does not make sense to a lot of believers, but that does not mean their prayers mean any less to God than the people that choose to pray in "tongues". Scripture is clear that tongues are a gift, and not all believers have that gift. I am baptized by water and the Holy Spirit, but tongues, be they another real language or "angel language" are not my gift, or even most people's gift.

 

[1stcenturylady]

I personally do not mind if someone prays in tongues, if it works for them then great! However, I have an issue with the last sentence. I would rather turn it around :Wouldn't it be better to pray to your lord in a language you understand, to glorify Him with everything you have and words you know, words that make sense to you as well? Praying in "tongues" just does not make sense to a lot of believers, but that does not mean their prayers mean any less to God than the people that choose to pray in "tongues". Scripture is clear that tongues are a gift, and not all believers have that gift. I am baptized by water and the Holy Spirit, but tongues, be they another real language or "angel language" are not my gift, or even most people's gift.

"I will pray in the Spirit, and I will pray with the understanding." They are both important. We do not always know what to pray for, but the Spirit knows.

 

[swordsman1]

Mark 16:16-18

16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues;

You missed out v18. "they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”

Were you baptized out of obedience? He has given us a way to pray perfect prayers that are always His will. Wouldn't it be foolish not to use it.

By that reasoning wouldn't it also be foolish not to pick up deadly snakes and drink poison? Have you seen what happens to people (even Christians) when they do? So the 'beleivers' Jesus is referring to cannot be all believers.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

I personally do not mind if someone prays in tongues, if it works for them then great! However, I have an issue with the last sentence. I would rather turn it around :Wouldn't it be better to pray to your lord in a language you understand, to glorify Him with everything you have and words you know, words that make sense to you as well? Praying in "tongues" just does not make sense to a lot of believers, but that does not mean their prayers mean any less to God than the people that choose to pray in "tongues". Scripture is clear that tongues are a gift, and not all believers have that gift. I am baptized by water and the Holy Spirit, but tongues, be they another real language or "angel language" are not my gift, or even most people's gift.

To answer your question as a person who speaks in tounques it's different for each indidivual who does so. For some they speak and they don't know whats being said however it's basically god moving in and them praying for something they didn't know to pray for. Some like myself once we start praying and get into it we start praying in tounques but we know what we are saying. You are thinking in your head what to say in your prayer but it's simply coming out in another language. Some they have that initial experience but after that rarely speak again at all it varies from person to person. Some get the gift of tounques as well mentioned in Corinthians but many have the sign which is evident in prayer or worship. Hope that sort of helped some with your question as to what's the point of it it's really just a sign and for edification. The gift of tounques is different though and usually gifts like prophecy or healing or interpretation are not given until later because they require an annoiting and only some receive them

 

[tampasteve]

"I will pray in the Spirit, and I will pray with the understanding." They are both important. We do not always know what to pray for, but the Spirit knows.

To answer your question as a person who speaks in tounques it's different for each indidivual who does so. For some they speak and they don't know whats being said however it's basically god moving in and them praying for something they didn't know to pray for. Some like myself once we start praying and get into it we start praying in tounques but we know what we are saying. You are thinking in your head what to say in your prayer but it's simply coming out in another language. Some they have that initial experience but after that rarely speak again at all it varies from person to person. Some get the gift of tounques as well mentioned in Corinthians but many have the sign which is evident in prayer or worship. Hope that sort of helped some with your question as to what's the point of it it's really just a sign and for edification. The gift of tounques is different though and usually gifts like prophecy or healing or interpretation are not given until later because they require an annoiting and only some receive them

Thanks for taking the time to reply, both of you. That said, I still respectfully disagree and still believe that scripture does not point towards this type of gift. But I am glad that you feel it brings you closer to Christ, and that is very valuable to all of us.