Soy Makes You Gay

[ScarletWitch]

You are quite right. Some wisdom could be used here. Soy doesn't make boys gay.

But it can contribute to them becoming effeminate, which of course is not healthy and can cause a myriad of problems from physical to social.

Why would we want to take a chance and do that to our young developing boys?

and how is being effeminate not healthy? it's society's gender roles that would be the problem, not the child. it's society that says that girls must have long hair and boys can't cry, it's society that says that girls should wear dresses and boys like football, it's society that says that women have to cook and clean while the men are at work. sure, many people are working to have equality but until that is completely achieved people are still going to have those type of prejudices about the male and female gender. if boys are effeminate then they're breaking free of society's chains and living their life the way they want. the same goes for masculine women, but that's not what we're discussing. people should act and look the way the want to without being afraid of being called 'girly' or 'boyish'.

 

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Maybe you could do better than the man who provided the WND editorial and provide some substantive evidence, backed by real science, that soy makes boys "effeminate". Also, could you describe how "effeminate" causes physical and social problems? I think kids and parents are more acceptive of different personalities and behaviors than they used to be, thanks to society's greater acceptance of gay culture in general.

Ha! More acceptable? Just listen to us...

 

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and how is being effeminate not healthy? it's society's gender roles that would be the problem, not the child. it's society that says that girls must have long hair and boys can't cry, it's society that says that girls should wear dresses and boys like football, it's society that says that women have to cook and clean while the men are at work. sure, many people are working to have equality but until that is completely achieved people are still going to have those type of prejudices about the male and female gender. if boys are effeminate then they're breaking free of society's chains and living their life the way they want. the same goes for masculine women, but that's not what we're discussing. people should act and look the way the want to without being afraid of being called 'girly' or 'boyish'.

You going to change society? Cause I've been trying for a long time with very little results. But regardless of what us 'adults' think - it is very hard emotionally for children (I'm referring to small children) to go against the grain.

 

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Here is just a snippet, if you want to know of more studies dated from 1971 to 2003, check out the link:

http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/soy_studies.html

2000
Clarkson TB. Soy phytoestrogens: what will be their role in postmenopausal hormone replacement therapy? Menopause 2000 Mar-Apr;7(2):71-5. Soy did not prevent bone loss when measured at autopsy in female monkeys who had had their reproductive organs removed.
2000
Vincent A and Fitzpatrick LA. Soy isoflavones: are they useful in menopause? Mayo Clin Proc 2000;75:1174-84. "Current data are insufficient to draw definitive conclusions regarding the use of isoflavones as an alternative to estrogen for hormone replacement in postmenopausal women."
2000
North K and Golding J. A maternal vegetarian diet in pregnancy is associated with hypospadias. The ALSPAC Study Team. Avon Longitudinal Study of Pregnancy and Childhood. BJU Int 2000 Jan;85(1):107-113. Vegetarian women are more likely consume more soy than the general population. Incidence of hypospadias was twice as great in vegetarian mothers than in nonvegetarian mothers. Hypospadias is a birth defect due to interrupted development of the penis.
2000
Nakamura Y and others. Determination of the levels of isoflavonoids in soybeans and soy-derived foods and estimation of isoflavonoids in the Japanese daily intake. J AOAC Int 2000;83:635-650. This survey found that average isoflavone consumption in Japan is about 28 mg per day.
2000
Bee G. Dietary Conjugated Linoleic Acids Alter Adipose Tissue and Milk Lipids of Pregnant and Lactating Sows. J Nutr 2000;130:2292-2298. Dietary mixtures for pigs, which are carefully formulated to promote reproduction and growth, allow approximately 1 percent of the ration as soy in a diet based on grains and supplements. (Pigs have a digestive system similar to humans.) The Central Soya Company, Inc. website gives a range of 2.5 percent to 17.5 percent soy in the diet of pigs, citing a number of anti-nutritional components that "have been documented to cause gastrointestinal disturbance, intestinal damage, increased disease susceptibility and reduced performance in pigs."
2000
Nagata C. Ecological study of the association between soy product intake and mortality from cancer and heart disease in Japan. International Journal of Epidemiology Oct 2000; 29(5):832-6. This study contained the following official conclusion: "The present study provides modest support for the preventive role of soy against stomach cancer and heart disease death." However, only the association with lower heart disease death is correct. What the study actually found was that "Soy protein intake was significantly correlated with stomach cancer mortality rate in men" and "soy product intake estimated as total amount as well as isoflavone and soy protein intake were significantly positively correlated with colorectal cancer mortality rates in both sexes." In other words, men who consumed lots of soy had more stomach cancer and men and women who consumed lots of soy had more colorectal cancer. These results are especially interesting as soy proponents often claim that Asians have lower rates of colorectal cancer because they eat more soy.
2001
Strom BL and others. Exposure to soy-based formula in infancy and endocrinological and reproductive outcomes in young adulthood. JAMA 2001 Nov 21;286(19):2402-3. Although reported in the media as a vindication of soy infant formula, the study actually found that soy-fed infants had more reproductive problems and more asthma as adults.
2001
Massey LK and others. Oxalate content of soybean seeds (Glycine max: Leguminosae), soyfoods, and other edible legumes. J Agric Food Chem 2001 Sep;49(9):4262-6. Soy foods were found to be high in oxalates and likely to contribute to kidney stones.
2002
Khalil DA and others. Soy protein supplementation increases serum insulin-like growth factor-I in young and old men but does not affect markers of bone metabolism. J Nutr 2002 Sep;132(9):2605-8. Men consuming soy protein had higher levels of insulin-like growth factor-I (IGF-I) than those consuming milk protein. According to many other studies (but not stated in the report), high levels of IFG-I are also found in rBGH milk and have been implicated in causing hormonal cancers.
2003
Lack G and others. Factors associates with the development of peanut allergy in childhood. N Engl J Med 2003 Mar 13;348(11):977-85. The number of children with life-threatening peanut allergies has tripled during the last decade. This study suggests a link between consumption of soy-based formula and the development of peanut allergies. Scientists at the University of Bristol monitored 14,000 babies in the southwest of England. Among the 49 children who developed a peanut allergy, almost a quarter had consumed soy milk during their first two years. (Less than 5 percent of babies overall receive soy formula in the UK.) According to lead researcher Gideon Lack, "These results suggest that sensitization to peanut may possibly occur. . . as a result of soya exposure."

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Here is just a snippet, if you want to know of more studies dated from 1971 to 2003, check out the link:

http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/soy_studies.html

2000
Clarkson TB. Soy phytoestrogens: what will be their role in postmenopausal hormone replacement therapy? Menopause 2000 Mar-Apr;7(2):71-5. Soy did not prevent bone loss when measured at autopsy in female monkeys who had had their reproductive organs removed.
2000
Vincent A and Fitzpatrick LA. Soy isoflavones: are they useful in menopause? Mayo Clin Proc 2000;75:1174-84. "Current data are insufficient to draw definitive conclusions regarding the use of isoflavones as an alternative to estrogen for hormone replacement in postmenopausal women."
2000
North K and Golding J. A maternal vegetarian diet in pregnancy is associated with hypospadias. The ALSPAC Study Team. Avon Longitudinal Study of Pregnancy and Childhood. BJU Int 2000 Jan;85(1):107-113. Vegetarian women are more likely consume more soy than the general population. Incidence of hypospadias was twice as great in vegetarian mothers than in nonvegetarian mothers. Hypospadias is a birth defect due to interrupted development of the penis.
2000
Nakamura Y and others. Determination of the levels of isoflavonoids in soybeans and soy-derived foods and estimation of isoflavonoids in the Japanese daily intake. J AOAC Int 2000;83:635-650. This survey found that average isoflavone consumption in Japan is about 28 mg per day.
2000
Bee G. Dietary Conjugated Linoleic Acids Alter Adipose Tissue and Milk Lipids of Pregnant and Lactating Sows. J Nutr 2000;130:2292-2298. Dietary mixtures for pigs, which are carefully formulated to promote reproduction and growth, allow approximately 1 percent of the ration as soy in a diet based on grains and supplements. (Pigs have a digestive system similar to humans.) The Central Soya Company, Inc. website gives a range of 2.5 percent to 17.5 percent soy in the diet of pigs, citing a number of anti-nutritional components that "have been documented to cause gastrointestinal disturbance, intestinal damage, increased disease susceptibility and reduced performance in pigs."
2000
Nagata C. Ecological study of the association between soy product intake and mortality from cancer and heart disease in Japan. International Journal of Epidemiology Oct 2000; 29(5):832-6. This study contained the following official conclusion: "The present study provides modest support for the preventive role of soy against stomach cancer and heart disease death." However, only the association with lower heart disease death is correct. What the study actually found was that "Soy protein intake was significantly correlated with stomach cancer mortality rate in men" and "soy product intake estimated as total amount as well as isoflavone and soy protein intake were significantly positively correlated with colorectal cancer mortality rates in both sexes." In other words, men who consumed lots of soy had more stomach cancer and men and women who consumed lots of soy had more colorectal cancer. These results are especially interesting as soy proponents often claim that Asians have lower rates of colorectal cancer because they eat more soy.
2001
Strom BL and others. Exposure to soy-based formula in infancy and endocrinological and reproductive outcomes in young adulthood. JAMA 2001 Nov 21;286(19):2402-3. Although reported in the media as a vindication of soy infant formula, the study actually found that soy-fed infants had more reproductive problems and more asthma as adults.
2001
Massey LK and others. Oxalate content of soybean seeds (Glycine max: Leguminosae), soyfoods, and other edible legumes. J Agric Food Chem 2001 Sep;49(9):4262-6. Soy foods were found to be high in oxalates and likely to contribute to kidney stones.
2002
Khalil DA and others. Soy protein supplementation increases serum insulin-like growth factor-I in young and old men but does not affect markers of bone metabolism. J Nutr 2002 Sep;132(9):2605-8. Men consuming soy protein had higher levels of insulin-like growth factor-I (IGF-I) than those consuming milk protein. According to many other studies (but not stated in the report), high levels of IFG-I are also found in rBGH milk and have been implicated in causing hormonal cancers.
2003
Lack G and others. Factors associates with the development of peanut allergy in childhood. N Engl J Med 2003 Mar 13;348(11):977-85. The number of children with life-threatening peanut allergies has tripled during the last decade. This study suggests a link between consumption of soy-based formula and the development of peanut allergies. Scientists at the University of Bristol monitored 14,000 babies in the southwest of England. Among the 49 children who developed a peanut allergy, almost a quarter had consumed soy milk during their first two years. (Less than 5 percent of babies overall receive soy formula in the UK.) According to lead researcher Gideon Lack, "These results suggest that sensitization to peanut may possibly occur. . . as a result of soya exposure."

None of which indicate any sort of link between the consumption of soy produces and sexual oriention or even making males “effeminate” (what ever that could be defined as)

 

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None of which indicate any sort of link between the consumption of soy produces and sexual oriention or even making males “effeminate” (what ever that could be defined as)

Did you check out the link for the other articles?

 

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http://web.archive.org/web/20000815...o.com/onair/2020/2020_000609_soy_feature.html

http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/avoid_soy.htm

 

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Did you check out the link for the other articles?

Why should it be assumed that the link provides anything more than off topic information?

That aside

I did

Nothing in the above mentioned link showing or implying or even talking about the consumption of soy produces and sexual oriention or even making males “effeminate”

 

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http://web.archive.org/web/20000815...o.com/onair/2020/2020_000609_soy_feature.html

http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/avoid_soy.htm

Nothing in either supporting any sort of link (or even a discussion of the topic) that the consumption of soy produces and sexual oriention or even making males “effeminate”

Please return to the OP topic

 

[KarateCowboy]

and how is being effeminate not healthy? it's society's gender roles that would be the problem, not the child. it's society that says that girls must have long hair and boys can't cry, it's society that says that girls should wear dresses and boys like football, it's society that says that women have to cook and clean while the men are at work. sure, many people are working to have equality but until that is completely achieved people are still going to have those type of prejudices about the male and female gender. if boys are effeminate then they're breaking free of society's chains and living their life the way they want. the same goes for masculine women, but that's not what we're discussing. people should act and look the way the want to without being afraid of being called 'girly' or 'boyish'.

This is classic. "It's society's fault, not mine!". In the words of C.S. Lewis "'Society' is just a word that means 'other people'". Basically what you are saying is "It's everyone else's fault, not mine, that I'm messed up". This is a typical anthem of the spoiled, whiny, helpless cosmpolitan wimp culture that humanism and political correctness is fostering. Then we have some crack-pot egghead from Berkeley backing it up saying that it's not the boy who is sick when he wants to wear pink dresses and have breasts, he says it's everyone else who is sick, only he uses the word 'society'.

Guys being effemenate is like spoons being sharp and microwaves making things colder. Men are supposed to be manly, women are supposed to be effeminate. Men are supposed to be strong and not cry. It's an ideal, and that's the way it is. Now, if you want to cry about it, go ahead. I won't call you wimpy so long as you cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it.

 

[Caylin]

This is classic. "It's society's fault, not mine!". In the words of C.S. Lewis "'Society' is just a word that means 'other people'". Basically what you are saying is "It's everyone else's fault, not mine, that I'm messed up". This is a typical anthem of the spoiled, whiny, helpless cosmpolitan wimp culture that humanism and political correctness is fostering. Then we have some crack-pot egghead from Berkeley backing it up saying that it's not the boy who is sick when he wants to wear pink dresses and have breasts, he says it's everyone else who is sick, only he uses the word 'society'.


Guys being effemenate is like spoons being sharp and microwaves making things colder. Men are supposed to be manly, women are supposed to be effeminate. Men are supposed to be strong and not cry. It's an ideal, and that's the way it is. Now, if you want to cry about it, go ahead. I won't call you wimpy so long as you cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it.

You really aren't even trying anymore, are you?

 

[KarateCowboy]

You really aren't even trying anymore, are you?

That sounds like something you say when you've lost an argument.

 

[CriticalMassKitten]

That sounds like something you say when you've lost an argument.

Using steriotypes of men being manly and such is hardly an argument in the first place.

 

[TracerBullet]

Guys being effemenate is like spoons being sharp and microwaves making things colder. Men are supposed to be manly, women are supposed to be effeminate. Men are supposed to be strong and not cry. It's an ideal, and that's the way it is. Now, if you want to cry about it, go ahead. I won't call you wimpy so long as you cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it.

John 11:35

So…just what are you implying about Jesus?

 

[KarateCowboy]

John 11:35

So…just what are you implying about Jesus?

Nothing. What are you implying?

Using steriotypes of men being manly and such is hardly an argument in the first place.

Yeah, cuz saying men should be manly is a stereotype. Just like spoons being spoonlike, and shoes being shoe-ish, and pink being pinkish, Christ being Christ-like, and God being Godly. And I had better not claim that beauty is attractive. Electronics running on ELECTRICITY? Better not say that --it's a stereotype.

What about children being childish? Prostitutes being sexual? Baseball players being athletic? Mathemeticians being good with numbers? What about old people being . . . old? Wise men acting with wisdom? Nurses being nursing? I suppose I'd better not assume that a fisherman I meet goes fishing, or that firemen should fight fires, policemen catch criminals, or rappers rap. That'd be stereotyping, and we all know that isn't politically correct!

 

[christalee4]

Where does one start? This is more of an angry rant against a perceived group of "soy-eating leftist commie liberals" than any kind of interesting informative discussion as to 1) how soy makes men gay, and 2) why it's necessary to rigidly raise up gender-correct behaviors in children, for FEAR that he or she might turn out gay!

This is classic. "It's society's fault, not mine!". In the words of C.S. Lewis "'Society' is just a word that means 'other people'". Basically what you are saying is "It's everyone else's fault, not mine, that I'm messed up". This is a typical anthem of the spoiled, whiny, helpless cosmpolitan wimp culture that humanism and political correctness is fostering. Then we have some crack-pot egghead from Berkeley backing it up saying that it's not the boy who is sick when he wants to wear pink dresses and have breasts, he says it's everyone else who is sick, only he uses the word 'society'.

Is the egghead or the wimp any worse than the emotionless, rigid father who won't hug or kiss his son, because it might turn him gay? The father who just shakes hands with dad and calls him "sir"? Or the father who insists his son must play sports, must exhibit "manly behavior" and if he doesn't, subjects him to ridicule and punishment? Just because the kid doesn't want to play football doesn't mean that he's going to wear pink dresses and want breasts; the fear is so palpable to those think so, that they can only envision those two scenarios: manly man-man or limp-wristed pink-dress-wearing tofu eater.

Guys being effemenate is like spoons being sharp and microwaves making things colder. Men are supposed to be manly, women are supposed to be effeminate. Men are supposed to be strong and not cry. It's an ideal, and that's the way it is. Now, if you want to cry about it, go ahead. I won't call you wimpy so long as you cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it.

Actually, the word "effeminate" has a negative meaning to describe mostly a man who is "sissified".
http://www.answers.com/topic/effeminate
Women are described as feminine, not effeminate.

Also, where in your small mental dictionary does it equate crying with weakness? Men can be strong, and cry too. Men who see crying as weakness are emotionally stunted, just as there are women out there who don't cry and get emotional either. Just ask any man who has wept for a son who was killed in a war; that's not weak - that's manly and human. To be human is to experience the full range of emotions, and regardless of gender, everyone is different.

 

[CriticalMassKitten]

Yeah, cuz saying men should be manly is a stereotype. Just like spoons being spoonlike, and shoes being shoe-ish, and pink being pinkish, Christ being Christ-like, and God being Godly. And I had better not claim that beauty is attractive. Electronics running on ELECTRICITY? Better not say that --it's a stereotype.

What about children being childish? Prostitutes being sexual? Baseball players being athletic? Mathemeticians being good with numbers? What about old people being . . . old? Wise men acting with wisdom? Nurses being nursing? I suppose I'd better not assume that a fisherman I meet goes fishing, or that firemen should fight fires, policemen catch criminals, or rappers rap. That'd be stereotyping, and we all know that isn't politically correct!

Steriotyping is generalizing, the things you are listing are facts for the most part. You could attempt to make an argument about a few, but wouldn't get very far. Anyway, what is "manly" anyway? Who honestly decides what it is? People can't be classified as easily as a job or a machine can.

Though, I'm not sure what this has to do with political correctness. The politically correct people annoy the crap out of me. I mean, it should apply to a point, but really, some people take it too far.

 

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Nothing in either supporting any sort of link (or even a discussion of the topic) that the consumption of soy produces and sexual oriention or even making males “effeminate”

Please return to the OP topic

I'm not so sure you understand how the body works then....sorry you didn't understand.

 

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"[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]In baby boys, 12 months of soy feeding can lead to gross effects by the age of 11 or 12. Breasts can appear and testicles do not develop. "
http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/soy.htm#a[/SIZE][/FONT]
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Beware of The Toxicity of Soy Products[/SIZE]
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times]Hundreds of epidemiological, clinical and laboratory studies link soy to malnutrition, digestive distress, thyroid dysfunction, cognitive decline, reproductive disorders, cognitive, immune system breakdown, and even heart disease and cancer.[/FONT] Contrary to popular belief that soy is a health food, evidence reveals that soy consumption has been linked to numerous disorders, including infertility, increased cancer and infantile leukemia, Type1 diabetes, and precocious puberty in children have been fed soy formula. (early maturation, such as breast development and menstruation as early as 6 years of age). Scientists have known for years that the isoflavones in soy products can depress thyroid function and cause goiters in otherwise healthy children and adults. A combined research team of Cornell University Medical College and Long Island Community Hospital medical experts have found that children who develop Type1 diabetes are twice as likely to have been fed soy formulas as those fed all other foods This confirms concerns based on animal studies raised in the 1980's and 1990s by Health Canada researcher Dr Fraser Scott and led to the American Academy of Pediatrics issuing their warning to pediatricians against any use of soy based formulas.
http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/soy.htm#a

"[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]In baby boys, 12 months of soy feeding can lead to gross effects by the age of 11 or 12. Breasts can appear and testicles do not develop. "
http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/soy.htm#a


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http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/soydangers.html

Male infants undergo a "testosterone surge" during the first few months of life, when testosterone levels may be as high as those of an adult male. During this period, the infant is programmed to express male characteristics after puberty, not only in the development of his sexual organs and other masculine physical traits, but also in setting patterns in the brain characteristic of male behaviour. In monkeys, deficiency of male hormones impairs the development of spatial perception (which, in humans, is normally more acute in men than in women), of learning ability and of visual discrimination tasks (such as would be required for reading).59 It goes without saying that future patterns of sexual orientation may also be influenced by the early hormonal environment. Male children exposed during gestation to diethylstilbestrol (DES), a synthetic oestrogen that has effects on animals similar to those of phytoestrogens from soy, had testes smaller than normal on manturation.60


Learning disabilities, especially in male children, have reached epidemic proportions. Soy infant feeding - which began in earnest in the early 1970s - cannot be ignored as a probable cause for these tragic developments.

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/soydangers.html



58. Irvine, C. et al., "The Potential Adverse Effects of Soybean Phytoestrogens in Infant Feeding", New Zealand Medical Journal May 24, 1995, p. 318.
59. Hagger, C. and J. Bachevalier, "Visual habit formation in 3-month-old monkeys (Macaca mulatta): reversal of sex difference following neonatal manipulations of androgen", Behavior and Brain Research (1991) 45:57-63.
60. Ross, R.K. et al., "Effect of in-utero exposure to diethylstilbestrol on age at onset of puberty and on post-pubertal hormone levels in boys", Canadian Medical Association Journal 128(10):1197-8, May 15, 1983.