Souls and Evolution

USincognito · Mar 12, 2009

Man I am really in the mood for some apple pie with some ice cream right now.

Hmmm, I wonder if I could improvise with a Mrs. Baird's fried pie and a Drumstick from 7/11.

What does this have to do with Crevo you might ask?

About as much as the OP.

pgp_protector · Mar 13, 2009

USincognito said:
Man I am really in the mood for some apply pie with some ice cream right now.

Hmmm, I wonder if I could improvise with a Mrs. Baird's fried pie and a Drumstick from 7/11.

What does this have to do with Crevo you might ask?

About as much as the OP.

Well tomorrow is Pi Day

Cabal · Mar 13, 2009

pgp_protector said:
Well tomorrow is Pi Day

Depends where you are

*partays*

Tiberius · Mar 14, 2009

AV1611VET said:
According to atheist doctrine, do glorified apes have souls?

(Just a simple YES or NO will do, please --- this isn't an invitation to spout.)

I'll be happy to answer, AV, but first, I'd like to ask for a little clarification.

Firstly, what is this "atheist doctrine" you speak of? As far as I am aware, there is no common belief amongst atheists other than they lack of belief in God. There is certainly no agreement among atheists about the existence of souls.

Secondly, could you define "soul" for me? There are many different definitions used by different people, and I'd like to make sure I know which definition you are using.

Anyway, the Bible itself says that there isn't anything that raises mankind above the animals. See for yourself...

Ecclesiastes 3:19 said:
3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

It seems that no matter what definition you use for "soul", it is shared by both man and other animals. Either man and animals have souls, or man and animals both lack souls. To claim otherwise is to say that the Biblical, God-breathed words of the King James Bible that you hold so high are wrong when it says, "a man hath no preeminence above a beast".

consol · Mar 15, 2009

Tiberius said:
It seems that no matter what definition you use for "soul", it is shared by both man and other animals. Either man and animals have souls, or man and animals both lack souls. To claim otherwise is to say that the Biblical, God-breathed words of the King James Bible that you hold so high are wrong when it says, "a man hath no preeminence above a beast".

And here endeth the first lesson, 'hoisted by his own petard', his words blew up in his face.

dad · Mar 15, 2009

AV1611VET said:
According to atheist doctrine, do glorified apes have souls?

(Just a simple YES or NO will do, please --- this isn't an invitation to spout.)

No. Very good point! One that 'believers' ought to reckon with.

Ectezus · Mar 15, 2009

My idea of a 'soul' is that it's nothing more than wishful thinking.

A separation of mind and body so when our body dies the mind can still survive.

There's absolutely no evidence that points towards this.
Humans fear of death has been the cause for many ridiculous ideas throughout history.

In this case I would say that since there are no souls, neither apes nor humans have it.

If your definition of a soul however is something inside the brain (that dies with it) that acts as some kind of guideline/program/instinct then my answer would be: I don't know but it's highly likely it's fairly the same with some minor differences, just like our genome.

- Ectezus

Jester4kicks · Mar 15, 2009

dad said:
No. Very good point! One that 'believers' ought to reckon with.

Um.... he asked a question. What "point" do you think he made by doing so?

USincognito · Mar 15, 2009

Personally I like canned mushrooms more than fresh ones on my pizza.

GhostSlug · Mar 15, 2009

AV1611VET said:
According to atheist doctrine, do glorified apes have souls?

(Just a simple YES or NO will do, please --- this isn't an invitation to spout.)

I believe this falls into the category of an "Ad Hoc" question. Also, what does having an education have to do with being an atheist? Matters of faith are not taught in science classes. Faith is outside the realm of science.

dad · Mar 16, 2009

Jester4kicks said:
Um.... he asked a question. What "point" do you think he made by doing so?

The point that most men on earth have always KNOWN there is a soul, a spirit in man. For the few that don't. sorry, who really cares??! Not like you have proof of your minority foolish by bible standards or majority of men standards personal opinion.

Therefore, the glaring fact that monkeys and apes are generally known to not have the same sort of souls proves there is no common ancestor! Unless one foolishly denies the spiritual, of course, but since there is no possible proof, that is a vain endeavor.

gaara4158 · Mar 16, 2009

dad said:
The point that most men on earth have always KNOWN there is a soul, a spirit in man. For the few that don't. sorry, who really cares??! Not like you have proof of your minority foolish by bible standards or majority of men standards personal opinion.

Therefore, the glaring fact that monkeys and apes are generally known to not have the same sort of souls proves there is no common ancestor! Unless one foolishly denies the spiritual, of course, but since there is no possible proof, that is a vain endeavor.

Wow. Four lines of writing and I'm already overwhelmed by the massive amount of ignorance caked all over this post. It's truly frightening.

dad · Mar 16, 2009

gaara4158 said:
Wow. Four lines of writing and I'm already overwhelmed by the massive amount of ignorance caked all over this post. It's truly frightening.

Sorry to scare you, son. But I must tell the truth, even if some consider it scary.

gaara4158 · Mar 16, 2009

dad said:
Sorry to scare you, son. But I must tell the truth, even if some consider it scary.

What you're saying isn't intrinsically a scary thought; the scary thought is that you actually believe these absurdities in spite of having been corrected countless times.

dad · Mar 16, 2009

gaara4158 said:
What you're saying isn't intrinsically a scary thought; the scary thought is that you actually believe these absurdities in spite of having been corrected countless times.

Except for one thing, NEVER has the same state past been proven. So what is it you think I have been corrected WITH????? Fables!! Paaleeeeeeese.

gaara4158 · Mar 16, 2009

dad said:
Except for one thing, NEVER has the same state past been proven. So what is it you think I have been corrected WITH????? Fables!! Paaleeeeeeese.

There's a hundred pages worth of people explaining to you why it doesn't need to be proven, dad. The fact that you still don't get it is what's so scary.

USincognito · Mar 16, 2009

Sometimes I like curly hair on women, but I'm much more partial to straight hair.

consol · Mar 16, 2009

dad said:
The point that most men on earth have always KNOWN there is a soul, a spirit in man. For the few that don't. sorry, who really cares??! Not like you have proof of your minority foolish by bible standards or majority of men standards personal opinion.

Therefore, the glaring fact that monkeys and apes are generally known to not have the same sort of souls proves there is no common ancestor! Unless one foolishly denies the spiritual, of course, but since there is no possible proof, that is a vain endeavor.

So, 'most men on earth have always KNOWN there is a soul, a spirit in man.'
does this also apply to babies born with brain damage or born deaf dumb and blind?
and how many souls do babies born with two heads have? or babies born dead, or miscarriages?
is the soul in the mind like love,hate or religion? is it just another feeling, just another emotion?
religion like hope, love and hate all die when the body dies.

Why do religious people never look at what they believe? why do they just accept it blindly as being 'THE TRUTH'?
religion is so obviously flawed it's mind blowing that supposedly sane people even consider it to be true.

Why do religious people never wonder why they all believe something different?
how come a Christian believes one thing and a Muslim something else,
could it have anything to do with where and by whom they were raised?

ranmaonehalf · Mar 16, 2009

ah the fn of replying to a deep cover poe for fun.

well according to atheists doctrine let me quote..
"........................................................."

and of course "............................................."
and then there is "........................................................"

did I miss anything?
apart from there is no god. (which is one version)

AV1611VET · Mar 16, 2009

GhostSlug said:
Also, what does having an education have to do with being an atheist?

Atheists despise being instructed in the things of the LORD.

Proverbs 1:7 said:
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

It is very prevalent here on the Internet.

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