Sorry, Yet Another Evolution Post!

[notto]

Well ther are tons of books out there al you gots to do is buy'em & read'em or goto websites like drdino.com u will find the tons of infor & facts to keep u busys for a spell

I'm not talking about creationists interpretation and strawmen. What books on the scientific theory of evolution have YOU read. Anything by an actual biologist? "Dr." dino is simply a 'Dr.' of Christian Education and is not really qualified to provide materials on biology (and often confuses evolution with atheism as well).

 

[obediah001]

U do not need to be a so called scientist to know science & Hovind has decimated every single proffessor which has ever dared to debate him. As for his presentations being false well that is to put it as nicely as I can utter nonsense to say something like that! diengenuous too & as said u evilotionists as u did against Hovind went to the old faithless ad hominen approach rather than refrence facts!

 

[Arikay]

Thanks, Obediah001, good post.

See, this is a great example of the danger of creationism.
as you see, our friend Obediah001 here has just Judged the Majority of christians as being false christians.

They are mutually exclusive Eviloution & Creation; yes U can be confused as I was once as a babe & actually held to a theistic evilotion position till i grew in understanding & now know it to be scientifically false & scvripturally untenable; in fact one can not truly understand the Word if they accept evilotion.

 

[Mechanical Bliss]

U do not need to be a so called scientist to know science

True, but you do need to be intellectually honest. Hovind is not.

Hovind has decimated every single proffessor which has ever dared to debate him.

Verbal debates are not ideal for discussing something as detailed as science, nor do they determine truth. However, there are no truth in his claims. He proclaims victory by spitting out as many arguments as he can and then the opponent and then the opponent does not have enough time to address them all.

As for his presentations being false well that is to put it as nicely as I can utter nonsense to say something like that!

Can you really? Do you have any basis for this statement or are you just blindly stating it?

Here are several threads containing debunked arguments by Kent Hovind. After being debunked the posters who claimed that they were valid failed to address the rebuttals:

http://www.christianforums.com/t62440&highlight=Hovind
http://www.christianforums.com/t62830&highlight=Hovind
http://www.christianforums.com/t58353&highlight=Hovind
http://www.christianforums.com/t56221&highlight=Hovind
http://www.christianforums.com/t54797&highlight=Hovind
http://www.christianforums.com/t51019&highlight=Hovind

There are plenty more.

Feel free to pick out Hovind arguments and we'll shoot them down like clay pigeons. Just start a new thread.

diengenuous too & as said u evilotionists as u did against Hovind went to the old faithless ad hominen approach rather than refrence facts!

It's not an ad hominem attack to say that he has no science qualifications and has been caught being dishonest.

 

[Arikay]

Yep, take MBs advice. If you think his arguments are strong, post one in a new thread and find out. If you already know how weak they are, dont really bother.

 

[obediah001]

debates are not ideal u say uh ha yeah not Ideal for evilotionists u mean; u guys like to obfuscate the simple facts to clould the understanding of the plain Truth in both science & scripture

 

[Mike Flynn]

debates are not ideal u say uh ha yeah not Ideal for evilotionists u mean; u guys like to obfuscate the simple facts to clould the understanding of the plain Truth in both science & scripture

Again...passing judgements. If you are keen on obeying scripture, why are you intent to pass judgemtent? The only thing thats plain here is your ignorance in both theology and science so far. Sorry to be blunt, I mean no insult...its just based on the accusations you are making here.

 

[notto]

I guess I'm not going to get an answer as to whether obedia has actually read any mainstream scientific sources about evolution that were written by biologists.

You would think that when calling one an ivory tower intellectual who is a spawn of satan, you would have actually researched what they say instead of believing what others say about them (i.e. "Dr." Hovind).

 

[Mechanical Bliss]

No, I said "verbal debates" not debates in general. Written debates are ideal for science because they allow time to look up references and expound on ideas specifically. So why does Kent Hovind reject proposals to engage in written debates? Because written debates are not ideal for creationists. Creationists aren't able to appeal to nonsense, make unsubstantiated claims, or cover up their ignorance with charm.


Science however proves that young earth creationism is false, so you are wrong there.

 

[obediah001]

Science in no way proves young earth creation to be false. I do however understand why u focus here as it is a death blow to evilotion THEORY. U know as well as I the masses who in America are now mostly illiterate or funtionally illiteate can not nor will they read these arguments which are truly a simple on as I have said before.

 

[notto]

Science in no way proves young earth creation to be false. I do however understand why u focus here as it is a death blow to evilotion THEORY. U know as well as I the masses who in America are now mostly illiterate or funtionally illiteate can not nor will they read these arguments which are truly a simple on as I have said before.

A young earth was falsified by Christian scientists many years ago.

What books on evolution have you read?

 

[Mechanical Bliss]

Science in no way proves young earth creation to be false.

Yes, it does. Science proved that young earth creationism was false almost two centuries ago.

http://www.christianforums.com/t41209

Care to address any of that or are you just going to continue sitting there hurling insults?

I do however understand why u focus here as it is a death blow to evilotion THEORY.

Interesting considering not one creationism argument has survived the scrutiny of users here. Not one. Furthermore, the majority of users here and the majority of Christians accept the theory of evolution.

Now can you actually support your claim that evolution is false with evidence or are you going to simply state it ad nauseum?

U know as well as I the masses who in America are now mostly illiterate or funtionally illiteate can not nor will they read these arguments which are truly a simple on as I have said before.

The fact is, the less educated you are, the more likely you are to accept young earth creationism, and the more educated you are, the more likely you are to accept the theory of evolution.

 

[Arikay]

In other words, when your claims are challenged, you back down. If hovinds claims are truth, then you should have no worries about posting them, right?

debates are not ideal u say uh ha yeah not Ideal for evilotionists u mean; u guys like to obfuscate the simple facts to clould the understanding of the plain Truth in both science & scripture

 

[obediah001]

nonsense how did it prove the earth to be long age?
Your education argument is a subtle insult to those who reject evilotion yet there are multitudes of scientists who do reject it & strate it is an absurd theory.

 

[notto]

nonsense how did it prove the earth to be long age?
Your education argument is a subtle insult to those who reject evilotion yet there are multitudes of scientists who do reject it & strate it is an absurd theory.

Can you name one scientist who rejects evolution based on something other than religious conviction and their religious beliefs?

 

[MurrayduPlessis]

Perhaps it is best if this thread has no more replies posted on it. This is fast becoming an argument! Does it really matter whether we were just put here, or whether we evolved? God need not reveal every answer to us. Isn't that what faith is?! Being able to admit that as humans we know only a fraction of what there is to know?! Being able to have have a relationship with God without him revealing everything about him and his creation technique?! I'm sure that God will not pass judgement on us if we don't totally understand him!

 

[Taffsadar]

Science in no way proves young earth creation to be false. I do however understand why u focus here as it is a death blow to evilotion THEORY. U know as well as I the masses who in America are now mostly illiterate or funtionally illiteate can not nor will they read these arguments which are truly a simple on as I have said before.

Is it just me or is it extremly ironic that someone who can't use proper grammar and spelling is complaining about literacy and believes himself to know more about biology than all the biologists in the world...

 

[JGMEERT]

nonsense how did it prove the earth to be long age?
Your education argument is a subtle insult to those who reject evilotion yet there are multitudes of scientists who do reject it & strate it is an absurd theory.

JM: Well, I reject evil lotion on the basis that it makes my skin look old.

Cheers

Joe Meert

 

[Mechanical Bliss]

nonsense how did it prove the earth to be long age?

http://www.christianforums.com/t41209

Are you going to address these lines of evidence or not?

Your education argument is a subtle insult to those who reject evilotion yet there are multitudes of scientists who do reject it & strate it is an absurd theory.

Insult or not, it is a fact that the less educated you are, the more likely you are to reject evolution in favor of young earth creationism. However, there are zero scientists who reject evolution from a purely scientific stance. The fact is, the vast majority of scientists >95% accept the theory of evolution, so using the word "multitudes" is very misleading.

 

[obediah001]

I have seen this semantic ploy before as I have met scientists who reject evilotion of course the establishment say they are nolonger scientists cause they deny evilotion. Again you have 200 yearold proof of creation being false tell me what it is?