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Albion isn't a member of the Anglican Communion but the Reformed Episcopal Church, which is a schism.
Anglicans do recite the Marian rosary and we have our own rosary as well. The Reformed Episcopal Church doesn't typically have a high view on such practice whereas in Anglicanism, it is fine.
That doesn't relate to the issue we are discussing, however. But since you have--logically enough--turned to Scripture for resolution of the matter, note that Jesus never prayed to angels or the dead, that when he was asked by his disciples how to pray he taught them the "Our Father...." with no mention of deceased intermediaries, and there is in fact not a single instance in the New Testament of any mortal praying to the dead with Jesus's approval OR of any other reference to the practice being God-pleasing.
That doesn't relate to the issue we are discussing, however. But since you have--logically enough--turned to Scripture for resolution of the matter, note that Jesus never prayed to angels or the dead, that when he was asked by his disciples how to pray he taught them the "Our Father...." with no mention of deceased intermediaries, and there is in fact not a single instance in the New Testament of any mortal praying to the dead with Jesus's approval OR of any other reference to the practice being God-pleasing.
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They're spirits.
When some of those standing near heard this, they said, Listen, hes calling Elijah. (Mark 15:35)
Why would they think that?
Nope. No praying involved in that.After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. 2 There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light. 3 Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus. (Matt 17:1-3)
Here's the logic I was looking at:
A. One saint should ask another saint to pray for him.
B. All saints are still alive. (Hence the verse I posted.)
Therefore, a saint should ask others saints to pray for them whether they are currently breathing or not.
(Were you questioning A or B?)
They thought a lot of other things that were equally incorrect, if you noticed.
Nope. No praying involved in that.
My point stands.
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D. We have reason to believe that angels and spirits pray FOR us, but that is not the same as praying TO them.
But the fact remains that it was a common practice...one that Jesus did NOT rebuke...btw.
those who have entered into the presence of the living God are aware and concerned for those of us who reamain on this mortal plane...
Isn't that one sufficient to disprove the notion that they are exactly the same as us, leading to the theory that praying to them is no different from asking a neighbor to pray for us?
Bully for you. When you find something, anything, in the New Testament that either recommends praying to the dead for their intercessions or shows us an example of anyone doing it, get back to me.
Originally Posted by Cappadocious
Neo-platonic sophistry.
Gospel: Not one dead remains in a tomb.
Not one human who has died remains in a tomb, you say? Very interesting.
But if I'm correct, Catholics are not REQUIRED to pray to Mary and the Saints.
Anyone here have an idea where the tomb of Mary is?
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Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus
Anyone here have an idea where the tomb of Mary is?
How do you know?She doesnt have one...remember?
Typical
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