Somehow,somewhere,somewhen

[Skaloop]

Is Zebra a kind with this definition?

Using your definition of kind as being a domain, no, zebra is not a kind.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Using your definition of kind as being a domain, no, zebra is not a kind.

Really? Why do you think not?

 

[Skaloop]

Really? Why do you think not?

Because you defined "kind" as a domain. There are three domains, as you mentioned earlier. Zebras and all other animals and all multi-cellular organisms are eukaryotes. So zebras would be part of that kind, but not a kind unto themselves.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Because you defined "kind" as a domain. There are three domains, as you mentioned earlier. Zebras and all other animals and all multi-cellular organisms are eukaryotes. So zebras would be part of that kind, but not a kind unto themselves.

They do not have to be a kind unto themselves. Why would they?

 

[Skaloop]

They do not have to be a kind unto themselves. Why would they?

They wouldn't. You asked if zebras are a kind. I responded that according to your definition of "kind" they are not.

Do you consider zebras to be a kind?

 

[Oncedeceived]

They wouldn't. You asked if zebras are a kind. I responded that according to your definition of "kind" they are not.

Do you consider zebras to be a kind?

Are they an Eukaryota?

 

[Skaloop]

Are they an Eukaryota?

Yes, they are. But they are not a kind, according to your definition. If they were a kind according to your definition then we'd be zebras.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Yes, they are. But they are not a kind, according to your definition. If they were a kind according to your definition then we'd be zebras.

How in the world do you come to that conclusion?

 

[Skaloop]

How in the world do you come to that conclusion?

Because that's what your definition of "kind" would amount to.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Because that's what your definition of "kind" would amount to.

That doesn't even make sense.

 

[Skaloop]

That doesn't even make sense.

The reason it doesn't make sense is because I'm using your definition of "kind".

 

[Oncedeceived]

The reason it doesn't make sense is because I'm using your definition of "kind".

The three kinds are the foundation to all life forms on earth including the zebra.

 

[Skaloop]

The three kinds are the foundation to all life forms on earth including the zebra.

But that doesn't make zebra a kind. Which is why I said zebra is not a kind. Do you consider zebra to be a kind?

 

[Oncedeceived]

But that doesn't make zebra a kind. Which is why I said zebra is not a kind. Do you consider zebra to be a kind?

It is a kind after its kind.

 

[Skaloop]

It is a kind after its kind.

So are you saying a zebra is a kind?

 

[Shemjaza]

You are completely right, I fear I get so weary of unbelievers on here mocking and being so disrespectful that I think I fall into a defensive mode. I hope you will accept my deepest apology. You were not using that tone with me and I should have not with you.

And you were just being honest and telling me what you felt was convincing and I belittled that. Sorry again.

I guess I should have taken more time to read that as well considering I read it wrong. Wow, sorry again.

Thank you. I can certainly empathize with getting frustrated and ill tempered in aggressive conversations.

Creationists are not all the same in any case. I am sure most think I am standing with one leg in the world and one in heaven. Which is not a good thing. I might disagree with some of my fellow creationists on their views and they on mine but ultimately what unites is the view that God Created the universe. We just interpret it differently. I know that many of them are told that if you believe that evolution is true that you are wrong and going against the Bible. I don't think that is scripturally sound. I think that scripture supports evolution.

I think it's interesting that you identify as a creationist, while you seem open to a lot of Evolution Theory as an explanation for exactly how God chose to bring about life on Earth.

Theistic evolutionists can still be devout followers of Christ.

Why upright?

Well, this is sort of cheating as the main reasons for knowing that it was upright is the hips and feet. But if you look at the base of the skull it curves around more like a human then the knuckle walking chimp.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Thank you. I can certainly empathize with getting frustrated and ill tempered in aggressive conversations.

I am glad you understand.

I think it's interesting that you identify as a creationist, while you seem open to a lot of Evolution Theory as an explanation for exactly how God chose to bring about life on Earth.

Theistic evolutionists can still be devout followers of Christ.

It is not an either or proposition. ToE is mankind's interpretation on the natural world. I see it more as evidence of how God created, man looking to the past with the knowledge of today; rather than ToE that says that evolution is the process of how we got to today. There is a difference which makes Theistic evolution a misnomer. Most Theistic evolutionist believe that evolution alone can explain what we see in nature. I disagree. Now I know there are degrees to everything and so in a small degree you could put that label on me, but I would not fit well. But then again, most would say I don't fit well with the Creationist label either.

Well, this is sort of cheating as the main reasons for knowing that it was upright is the hips and feet. But if you look at the base of the skull it curves around more like a human then the knuckle walking chimp.

So you are saying that you have evidence of its hips and feet?

 

[Oncedeceived]

So are you saying a zebra is a kind?

It is a kind after after a kind.
It is a Eukaryota.
It is a Animalia.
It is a Chordata.
It is a Mammalia.
It is a Perissodactyla.
It is a Equidae.
It is a Equus.
It is a Equus zebra, Equus quagga, Equus grevyi
It is a Zebra.

 

[Skaloop]

It is a kind after after a kind.
It is a Eukaryota.
It is a Animalia.
It is a Chordata.
It is a Mammalia.
It is a Perissodactyla.
It is a Equidae.
It is a Equus.
It is a Equus zebra, Equus quagga, Equus grevyi
It is a Zebra.

Yes, but you originally said that "kind" was one of the three domains (bacteria, archaea, and eukaryota). Which makes humans and zebras part of the same eukaryota kind. Now you are saying that zebra is a kind of its own. So which is it? Is "kind" a species? Or a genus? Or a family? Or an order? Or a class? Or a phylum? Or a kingdom? Or a domain as you said before?

 

[Oncedeceived]

Yes, but you originally said that "kind" was one of the three domains (bacteria, archaea, and eukaryota). Which makes humans and zebras part of the same eukaryota kind. Now you are saying that zebra is a kind of its own. So which is it? Is "kind" a species? Or a genus? Or a family? Or an order? Or a class? Or a phylum? Or a kingdom? Or a domain as you said before?

No I said kind were the three kinds not one of them.