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Well if God's going to save Israel miraculously, why would you want to stop Obama from trying to destroy Israel?

Why would you think that it's Obama who is going to try to destroy Israel?

My concern is Obama's plans for the destruction of this nation. We are not going to just sit down and let it happen. "Tea parties" and talks by various states of leaving the Union are happening. America is very much divided right now.
 
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Why would you think that it's Obama who is going to try to destroy Israel?

My concern is Obama's plans for the destruction of this nation. We are not going to just sit down and let it happen. "Tea parties" and talks by various states of leaving the Union are happening. America is very much divided right now.

See the poll for Obama versus Palin in 2012? 59-35.

We've always been divided, but the Republicans can't get traction. They keep shooting themselves in the feet.
 
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Why would you think that it's Obama who is going to try to destroy Israel?

My concern is Obama's plans for the destruction of this nation. We are not going to just sit down and let it happen. "Tea parties" and talks by various states of leaving the Union are happening. America is very much divided right now.
Um... I don't particularly think Obama is going to destroy Israel... but your OP rather suggests you do

Corruption! Usurper! He's trying to DESTROY this country and ISRAEL! Maybe the anti-christ will be MUSLIM (as suspected) after all!
 
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See the poll for Obama versus Palin in 2012? 59-35.

We've always been divided, but the Republicans can't get traction. They keep shooting themselves in the feet.
I'm a life long conservative, and even I wouldn't vote for Palin.
 
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Since when are American overseas bases considered "American soil"?

In doing further research...some are and some aren't depending on the agreements established with the foreign country.

Quoted an MP from another website:

"Military bases outside CONUS (continental United States) are considered sovereign American territories. Servicemen on those bases, however, are subject to the governing laws of the country they are serving in and they are called SOFA – Status Of Forces Agreements. Not all American bases have these agreements though, such as installations in the Middle Eastern countries where either they haven’t been established or the government won’t agree to or consider such measures.
There are 4 different types of jurisdictions under the UCMJ that we are taught to recognize. They are Exclusive (Federal laws only), Concurrent (Federal and state laws, or Federal and the country laws where the base is), Proprietary (dealing with property issues), and Reciprocal (meaning any military policeman from any branch of service can apprehend any member from any other branch of service for offenses committed)."
 
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In doing further research...some are and some aren't depending on the agreements established with the foreign country.

Quoted an MP from another website:

"Military bases outside CONUS (continental United States) are considered sovereign American territories. Servicemen on those bases, however, are subject to the governing laws of the country they are serving in and they are called SOFA – Status Of Forces Agreements. Not all American bases have these agreements though, such as installations in the Middle Eastern countries where either they haven’t been established or the government won’t agree to or consider such measures.
There are 4 different types of jurisdictions under the UCMJ that we are taught to recognize. They are Exclusive (Federal laws only), Concurrent (Federal and state laws, or Federal and the country laws where the base is), Proprietary (dealing with property issues), and Reciprocal (meaning any military policeman from any branch of service can apprehend any member from any other branch of service for offenses committed)."

Interesting. Thanks.
 
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See the poll for Obama versus Palin in 2012? 59-35.

We've always been divided, but the Republicans can't get traction. They keep shooting themselves in the feet.

Exactly. Bush and Clinton were hated even worse than Obama. America is seriously divided, which I why I think if it was split up, more people would be happier. Although it seems to be human nature to find SOMETHING to complain about.
 
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NO, absolutely not. In fact, when the Northern army invades when the Day of the Lord begins, God saves them, miraculously!

Then, he tests them....and everyone else who wasn't ready when the Day of the Lord began.

No he dosn't.. you lot think it's just 144000 Israelis will convert to christianity and survive.. the rest will be taken out. Ezekiel 38 is a historic event.
 
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In doing further research...some are and some aren't depending on the agreements established with the foreign country.

Quoted an MP from another website:

"Military bases outside CONUS (continental United States) are considered sovereign American territories. Servicemen on those bases, however, are subject to the governing laws of the country they are serving in and they are called SOFA – Status Of Forces Agreements. Not all American bases have these agreements though, such as installations in the Middle Eastern countries where either they haven’t been established or the government won’t agree to or consider such measures.
There are 4 different types of jurisdictions under the UCMJ that we are taught to recognize. They are Exclusive (Federal laws only), Concurrent (Federal and state laws, or Federal and the country laws where the base is), Proprietary (dealing with property issues), and Reciprocal (meaning any military policeman from any branch of service can apprehend any member from any other branch of service for offenses committed)."

Doesn't matter if one parent's American.

Besides Obama was born in Hawaii. The assertion otherwise is pure conspiracy slinging.
 
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Exactly. Bush and Clinton were hated even worse than Obama. America is seriously divided, which I why I think if it was split up, more people would be happier. Although it seems to be human nature to find SOMETHING to complain about.

I'd agree except for the refugee problem we'd have in Blue America. If Red America would pay repairations for it I guess it'd be okay. But Red America is the part with a stagnant economy, too.
 
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No he dosn't.. you lot think it's just 144000 Israelis will convert to christianity and survive.. the rest will be taken out. Ezekiel 38 is a historic event.

The 144,000 is a metaphor due to the 12 tribes. Revelation referred to the times it was written, not some future date.
 
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Doesn't matter if one parent's American.

Besides Obama was born in Hawaii. The assertion otherwise is pure conspiracy slinging.

Yep it does matter.
Just ask anyone trying to adopt a baby from another country:confused::doh:All one does is jump through hoops and then there are more hoops when the child arrives on American soil brought here by American parents.

If that be true why does he continue to hide and sidestep the issue and those that've tried to deal with the matter openly silenced? Methinks there is something wrong here...Btw I am independent and couldn't care less about what is party is.
 
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Yep it does matter.
Just ask anyone trying to adopt a baby from another country:confused::doh:All one does is jump through hoops and then there are more hoops when the child arrives on American soil brought here by American parents.

If that be true why does he continue to hide and sidestep the issue and those that've tried to deal with the matter openly silenced? Methinks there is something wrong here...Btw I am independent and couldn't care less about what is party is.

Because the conspiracy theorists are not credible.
 
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The 144,000 is a metaphor due to the 12 tribes. Revelation referred to the times it was written, not some future date.

I agree, but try telling that to some people.. they'll never listen.
 
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No he dosn't.. you lot think it's just 144000 Israelis will convert to christianity and survive.. the rest will be taken out. Ezekiel 38 is a historic event.

The rest will be tested.

Ezek 38 and Joel 2 are describing the same army. It is definitely future.
 
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Because the conspiracy theorists are not credible.


Conspiracy theorist?

His "birth certificate" that he posted on his website is a forgery and has been PROVEN to be so by more than one expert.

He refuses to release his original birth certificate out of Hawaii. Why?
Is it because it shows that he was not born there but rather registered there having been born somewhere else?

He could save himself a lot of money on the teams of lawyers he's using and silence the "conspiracy theorists", as YOU call them, by releasing his birth certificate. There is a reason why he is not doing so. The silence is deafening.
 
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All he has to do is prove his eligibility to the American people and those who question it.
And then what? You and all of his detractors will suddenly do a 180 and throw your support with the guy? I doubt it. A copy of his birth certificate has already been provided, but that doesn’t satisfy you. I guarantee that even if Obama held a news conference and produced the actual document, you and the rest of his detractors would still view him exactly the same way you do now, so it doesn’t benefit him at all to jump through hoops for a small segment of people who will never be satisfied with anything he does. If he’s not an illegal usurper, he’s a closet Muslim; if he’s not a closet Muslim then he’s a closet Bilderberger. It just never ends.

He has allegedly lived under various aliases and multiple social security numbers and even now, collects pay for 130 different jobs (between he and his wife) which are kick-backs for his "Chicago-style" community service activity.
Sources please.

He used the name "Barry Soetoro" in Indonesia.
If that’s true then it’s because His mother married a man named Loto Soetoro after her divorce, and “Barry” is probably a nickname for Barrack. What’s so sinister about that? I have a cousin name William who uses the name “Putty”. Is there something odd about having a nickname? I sign stuff all the time under both "Nicholas" and "Nick".

He traveled to Pakistan when Americans weren't allowed to travel there so what country's passport did he use?
It’s not true that Americans weren't allowed; it was just difficult unless you had connections. Obama’s mother worked for the Asian Development Bank in Pakistan during the 80’s, and Obama visited while she was there. So he had connections.

His father is a British citizen which means Obama is a British citizen.
Nope. It matters where he was born. That’s why if a child is born in this country from illegal aliens the baby is still a US citizen.

His mom wasn't old enough to transfer citizenship under the laws at the time.
It doesn’t matter how old she was. If he was born in Hawaii then he is a US citizen, regardless of his parents’ status. But let's just say that even if he wasn’t, the law in question was made retroactive by Congress, all the way back to 1952. So that means Barack’s mom did qualify as a US citizen, and Barack would qualify as a “natural-born citizen” regardless of where he was born. Case closed.

The "birth certificate" he provided as been proven to be a forgery by numerous experts.
Nope, it hasn’t. State officials in Hawaii verified the authenticity of Obama’s birth certificate back in October.

His real certificate is on lock-down in Hawaii.

Nope: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

His Kenyan grandmother claims she was present at his birth in Kenya.
Did you take the time to find the interview and listen to the whole thing for yourself? The people doing the translating insist that Barack was born in Hawaii, but the guy just ingores it. I think the interviewer (some street preacher) was baiting Obama’s family and hoping to get something out of it to trip Obama up. He sure got what he wanted. But even if Barack was born in Kenya, he still qualified as a "natural-born citizen" because Congress relaxed the requirements of the law concerning parent citizenship and made it retroactive.

He's got people helping him...from the Bilderberg masters who "picked" him over Hilary to Supreme Court clerks who are making sure the cases don't get to the Justices to teams of lawyers who are making sure that his actual birth certificate stays out of sight.

He's got all the powers of evil helping him and they will lie, cheat, steal to make sure he stays in power. Did you read the original post?
Yes, I read the original post. And the above two paragraphs clearly indicate why trying to placate the conspiracy crowd is pointless. Ok, so even if the evidence convinced you that Obama is a US citizen, in you're eyes he's still a Bilderberg/NWO pawn out to help Palestinian terrorists and bent on destroying America. Can you understand why he's not in a big hurry to appease your concerns over his birth certificate?

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