Some Reasons I Don't Believe in Evolution

[cupid dave]

No....my common sense says there is no reason to believe in that at all....

Explain why you think that way.....

I believe the bible, and the physical things that coincide with biblical truth such as the worldwide flood.

I have been in the bowels of the earth seen and touched with my own hands....dug in the dirt and uncovered these mysteries myself.

Hmmm...
It doesn't seem important.

I mean, whether I believe that the Flood was modern man exploding out of Africa 40,000 years ago, while all other species of mankind disappeared.

It just means that science people can accept genesis too, as do you and I for our own reasons.

 

[Test All Things2]

I have talked to miners that found tree limbs...chunks of wood intermixed in these suposed "ancient river deposits"....if they were millions of years old....why didn't they either rot away, or turn into petrified wood over that supposed millions of years? One guy told me that as he brought his gravels outside that a process would be triggered where these pieces of wood would rapidly decay when brought outside and exposed.

This wood is millions of years old, but would rapidly decay when exposed to sun and whatever the enviromental differences were from being buried inside a mountain to being brough outside?

 

[Test All Things2]

I do not know what you are talking about, and I would never base my own faith on just believing what someone told me during a brief conversation. My own belief and faith requires some solid basis to base my beliefs upon.

Sorry......everything I have studied or except to be suitable for my worldview does not accomodate what you are suggesting.

 

[cupid dave]

I have talked to miners that found tree limbs...chunks of wood intermixed in these suposed "ancient river deposits"....if they were millions of years old....why didn't they either rot away, or turn into petrified wood over that supposed millions of years? One guy told me that as he brought his gravels outside that a process would be triggered where these pieces of wood would rapidly decay when brought outside and exposed.

This wood is millions of years old, but would rapidly decay when exposed to sun and whatever the enviromental differences were from being buried inside a mountain to being brough outside?

yeah,...

But if Science people insist on Evolution, you do think it is OK for them to see that Evolution actually agrees also with genesis, anyway.

They just took a a different path than you took to believe in Genesis.
Right?

 

[Huram Abi]

Yeah...
But even of evolution WAS right, it does NOT contradict Genesis which only says that the Plant Kingdom came before the Animal Kingdom.

That is the same as science says too.

No, it isn't.

The biological understanding is that animals came frst.

 

[cupid dave]

I do not know what you are talking about, and I would never base my own faith on just believing what someone told me during a brief conversation. My own belief and faith requires some solid basis to base my beliefs upon.

Sorry......everything I have studied or except to be suitable for my worldview does not accomodate what you are suggesting.

But we both believe that Genesis is true, right?

I see that there WAS a beginning to the Universe, called The Big Bang.

I see that there were seven "days" but I call them the Seven Eras.

I do agree, biologically, the the first sprouts of life on earth lead to the Plant kingdom before the Animal kingdom.

etc, etc

 

[cupid dave]

No, it isn't.

The biological understanding is that animals came frst.

?
really.
Explain.

 

[Split Rock]

Where are Hespera and Orogeny? Or Split Rock?

Orogeny is good about stuff like this....

I answered your questions in the other thread. Why you see fit to post them in multiple threads is beyond me.

You know, instead of claiming that whatever you found sould only be explained by a global flood, maybe you could actually back that up with an actual detailed explanation for any of it. Maybe you can explain things a catastrophic flood could not? Like miles of chalk deposits... or deposition of shale, which can only be formed by quiet water?

 

[Huram Abi]

The first animal fossils, early sponges, appear in the Trezona Formation at Trezona Bore, West Central Flinders, South Australia in 665 mya rock.

The oldest fossil spores reveal evolution of non-vascular plants by the middle to late Ordovician Period 450 mya.

665-450= animal came before plants.

 

[Test All Things2]

You are as quick to be involved in both for some reason too.

One is pro and one is con...you are in both are you not....your are in most all debates that are evolution versus creationism espousing your beliefs very strongly.....I am in 2 right now.

And your belief of "quiet water" is based upon what "absolute truth" ? See in your view everyhting that is held to be true by science is some sort of absolute. But science changes and even contradicts it's own beliefs as new things are found and examined. If a serious flaw in a dating system was proven it would knock down your theory (idea) of evolution.

 

[Split Rock]

You are as quick to be involved in both for some reason too.

One is pro and one is con...you are in both are you not....your are in most all debates that are evolution versus creationism espousing your beliefs very strongly.....I am in 2 right now.

And your belief of "quiet water" is based upon what "absolute truth" ? See in your view everyhting that is held to be true by science is some sort of absolute. But science changes and even contradicts it's own beliefs as new things are found and examined. If a serious flaw in a dating system was proven it would knock down your theory (idea) of evolution.

Show us all then how The Flood produced miles of chalk, as we see in England. Or how it can deposit shale... show us all up and those dumb geologists. Your years of mining experience and looking at old mining records must make you an expert, afterall.

 

[Test All Things2]

Split Rock: In your world if someones sees something they believe would indicte the truth of something...they must totally understand that thing and be able to give an upper college level dispensation to others to qualify as proving this thing is true?

Is that what you are saying?

Just trying to follow along with your logic......

I must be able to debate others at all levels right off the cuff?

Otherwise what I claim...or challenged you with disputing does not even merit a legitimate response from you?

That is why you make my day when I come here....

 

[Test All Things2]

You failed to try to explain that mix of anolomlies within a few feet of rock....

If you are satisfied that you answered my challenge that is all that matters....

Everybody that reads this can decide if you did properly address or refute my claim(s) or not for themselves.

 

[Orogeny]

You failed to try to explain that mix of anolomlies within a few feet of rock....

If you are satisfied that you answered my challenge that is all that matters....

Everybody that reads this can decide if you did properly address or refute my claim(s) or not for themselves.

All you've described in your massive block of text is a conglomerate with plant fragments in it. There is nothing special or unique about that. Post some pictures of your 'anomalies', give us a measured section, a sketch, anything useful. A block of rambling text using unscientific language is not.

I won't discuss this further in this thread, however, I am happy to continue the discussion in the other thread where you made the exact same post.

 

[Split Rock]

You failed to try to explain that mix of anolomlies within a few feet of rock....

And failed to provide any reason to believe anything you mentioned was do to a global flood.

If you are satisfied that you answered my challenge that is all that matters....

Yes.

Everybody that reads this can decide if you did properly address or refute my claim(s) or not for themselves.

Everyone can also read and deside if what you described had to be due to a global flood.

 

[Test All Things2]

Split Rock: you are right

Everyone can also read and deside if what you described had to be due to a global flood.

We all have that right as individuals to view both sides of the issues presented and decide for ourselves what comes closest to resembling the truth. I choose my views based upon the things I have mentioned, and you have your reasons for yours.

One of us, or both of us could be wrong, but only one side of the evolution versus creation debate can be right in general.

 

[Test All Things2]

Split Rock:

And failed to provide any reason to believe anything you mentioned was do to a global flood.

I claimed tree bark stuck visibly inside a deposit of hardrock that contained angular fragments buried deep inside a mountain top high in the Sierras could have been the result of a worldwide flood. I further queried how old was it? Could it have survived intact for millions of years? I further stated I thought the age of that bark to be thousands of years. I do not have to prove anything....I just posed the question....seeking some alternative explainations to refute my belief that it was the result of a flood deposit. It is not beyond reason that it WAS the result of a flood.....do you understand what reasoning is?

Iam trying to explain my reasoning....you do not have to accept it as your own reality

I give you this chance Split Rock to SLAY MY BELIEFS with your knowledge and science....CAN YOU?

If you can't be big enough to admit to it?

Not attack my character or my approach

It seems we always get into the "neener neener" game for some strange reason?

I would like to stay focused on the challenge I presented, or if you prefer....the opportunity to discredit my beliefs....call it what you like....CAN YOU DO IT?

GO AHEAD MAN DISECT ME with your knowledge

 

[AV1611VET]

Show us all then how The Flood produced miles of chalk, as we see in England.

Sure thing:

 

[Gracchus]

Show us all then how The Flood produced miles of chalk, as we see in England. Or how it can deposit shale... show us all up and those dumb geologists. Your years of mining experience and looking at old mining records must make you an expert, afterall.

Sure thing:

What has your mama's vehicle to do with the question?

 

[Split Rock]

I claimed tree bark stuck visibly inside a deposit of hardrock that contained angular fragments buried deep inside a mountain top high in the Sierras could have been the result of a worldwide flood.

Yes. Now back up the assertion with facts.

I further queried how old was it? Could it have survived intact for millions of years?

No, first you claimed it was supposed to be billions of years old, now you are claiming it is supposed to be millions of years old. The fact is you have no idea either how old the rocks are, or how old a geologist would tell us they are.

I further stated I thought the age of that bark to be thousands of years.

Yes, and can you explain how it is still intact after thousands of years?

I do not have to prove anything....I just posed the question....seeking some alternative explainations to refute my belief that it was the result of a flood deposit. It is not beyond reason that it WAS the result of a flood.....do you understand what reasoning is?

I do, do you? Where is your "reasoning?" It seems to go like this: Here is something I don't understand with my "common sense." I bet dumb evolutionist/ geologists can't explain it, therefore The Flood did it.

Iam trying to explain my reasoning....you do not have to accept it as your own reality

I only accept one reality. I don't have my own.

I give you this chance Split Rock to SLAY MY BELIEFS with your knowledge and science....CAN YOU?

What makes you think I have the smallest interest in "Slaying" your pitiful beliefs? You creationists think the whole universe revolves around you and your egos, don't you?

If you can't be big enough to admit to it?

Admit what??

Not attack my character or my approach

When did I attack your character?

It seems we always get into the "neener neener" game for some strange reason?

What's a "neener neener" game??

I would like to stay focused on the challenge I presented, or if you prefer....the opportunity to discredit my beliefs....call it what you like....CAN YOU DO IT?

One more time... I couldn't care less about your oh so precious beliefs. Get over yourself.

GO AHEAD MAN DISECT ME with your knowledge

Pride is a SIN.