Some random discussion on evolution...

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

as i know that gears are manmade objects.

Yes, but that does not mean that you instinctively know that anything in nature is designed. You only see design because your entire life is surrounded by designed things.

 

[pitabread]

as i know that gears are manmade objects.

How do you know this? You keep saying you know it, but you never explain how you detect design. Do you even know how you do that?

 

[Astrophile]

so you cant conclude design if you will see a watch without manufacturer's name inscribed on the back?

My watch also has the manufacturer's name printed on the front, so on the face of it it appears to be designed. However, some of my clocks do not bear the manufacturer's name, so I shall have to think of some other criterion for design. Perhaps the presence of several components that were made separately and fitted together rather than either growing organically from a single cell (like a biological organism) or (like a pulsar) being formed from the collapse of the core of a star.

 

[Ophiolite]

My watch also has the manufacturer's name printed on the front, so on the face of it it appears to be designed. However, some of my clocks do not bear the manufacturer's name, so I shall have to think of some other criterion for design. Perhaps the presence of several components that were made separately and fitted together rather than either growing organically from a single cell (like a biological organism) or (like a pulsar) being formed from the collapse of the core of a star.

A word of explanation: I'm not sure if the pun was intentional or not, but I found it delightful, hence the "Funny" award. "printed on the front" = "on the face of it".

 

[Astrophile]

A word of explanation: I'm not sure if the pun was intentional or not, but I found it delightful, hence the "Funny" award. "printed on the front" = "on the face of it".

Thank-you for your friendly reply. Yes, the pun was intentional.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

as i know that gears are manmade objects.

If gears are man-made objects, then by your argument, the insect gears you posted earlier are man-made... oops!

 

[Bungle_Bear]

no. since i never seen someone who made a self replicating car. so i have no pre-existing knowledge of self-replicating cars

You're using your pre-existing knowledge of cars.

Try again, how do you detect design?

 

[Bungle_Bear]

as i said- i cant in the waterfall case but i can in the watch\car case. very simple.

It is very simple, but you seem completely incapable of understanding. Think about how you detect design in a watch or a car. What do you see that you couldn't see in the picture of the waterfall? I assure you you would see the same evidence of design if you could examine the waterfall up close, in person.

 

[Kylie]

as i know that gears are manmade objects.

I know that wings are man made objects., Look at all the wings on planes, and we know planes are man made. So if I see a wing, then I know it is man made. Thus, birds are man made, since they have wings and wings are man made.

 

[Kylie]

that it can evolve naturally.

So evolving naturally is a sign that something is not natural?

What in the world...?

 

[xianghua]

You're using your pre-existing knowledge of cars.

its also true for gears. so you believe now that gears are the product of design?

 

[xianghua]

I know that wings are man made objects.,

no. we know that wings are the product of design. it can be any design. including aliens.

So if I see a wing, then I know it is man made.

see above. wrong cnclusion.

 

[xianghua]

So evolving naturally is a sign that something is not natural?

What in the world...?

where you got this from?

 

[xianghua]

If gears are man-made objects, then by your argument, the insect gears you posted earlier are man-made... oops!

indeed oops but in the other direction. see my comment to kylie above.

 

[xianghua]

My watch also has the manufacturer's name printed on the front, so on the face of it it appears to be designed. However, some of my clocks do not bear the manufacturer's name, so I shall have to think of some other criterion for design. Perhaps the presence of several components that were made separately and fitted together rather than either growing organically from a single cell (like a biological organism) or (like a pulsar) being formed from the collapse of the core of a star.

so of someone will create a watch that can grow from a single cell it will not be evidence for design?

 

[Ophiolite]

so of someone will create a watch that can grow from a single cell it will not be evidence for design?

You need to be able distinguish between:

• good evidence
• flimsy evidence
• questionable evidence
• conflicted evidence
• unquestioned evidence
• no evidence

Depending on context your example may be one or more of the above. Until and unless you have clearly defined that context and declared which class of evidence you think is applicable it is impossible to answer your question.

 

[Speedwell]

no. we know that wings are the product of design. it can be any design. including aliens.




see above. wrong cnclusion.

No, it is the only possible conclusion to draw from your argument.

 

[pitabread]

no. we know that wings are the product of design.

How do we know this?

You keep making assertions but you haven't once explained how we would know this. You've yet to explain how you can conclude design in any case regardless of the example.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

indeed oops but in the other direction. see my comment to kylie above.

It would help if you specified which comment you were referring to - if it's this one "...we know that wings are the product of design. it can be any design. including aliens...", then one could say that the insect gears were designed by humans or aliens - or evolution.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

its also true for gears. so you believe now that gears are the product of design?

Man made gears are the product of design. Gears in nature? No idea. I cannot say either way, but I can certainly say there's no evidence they were designed. You obviously believe there is evidence of design, but every time you are asked to explain that evidence you run away. Why?