Some random discussion on evolution...

[xianghua]

Or the simple fact we know it's a computer fan and based on preexisting knowledge of human manufacture of such objects, we can conclude it is a designed object.

so you can conclude design when you see a spinning fan. now, what if that fan was made from organic components. are you still able to conclude design under this situation?

 

[xianghua]

Design is suggested by the great symmetry of the object, the perfect circle, the fact that parts have been inscribed with the names of companies that exist separately to this object, and the fact that the object contains no parts which are capable of reproduction, hence no way for it to have been made except by some external means (unlike life forms, which are capable of reproducing themselves).

so if that fan was able to reproduce you wil not be able to conclude design since its was possible for that object to evolve naturally?

 

[Speedwell]

so you can conclude design when you see a spinning fan. now, what if that fan was made from organic components. are you still able to conclude design under this situation?

If there was no evidence of intentional manufacture there would be no basis for a conclusion of intentional design.

 

[pitabread]

now, what if that fan was made from organic components. are you still able to conclude design under this situation?

I don't know what a "fan made from organic components" is supposed to look like.

But if you're talking about living organisms, we'd first need to have knowledge of how living organisms were designed and created.

Not matter how many times you want to go in circles about this, it's always going to come back to the same thing: you need to explain how living organisms were designed and created. If you can't, then you can't conclude they were designed.

 

[xianghua]

I don't know what a "fan made from organic components" is supposed to look like.

is basically looks like that fan but its made from organic components. so can you detect design in such a fan or not?

 

[Bungle_Bear]

is basically looks like that fan but its made from organic components. so can you detect design in such a fan or not?

It's your fantasy object, so why don't you tell us how you can conclude design when you see it.

 

[pitabread]

is basically looks like that fan but its made from organic components.

Simply restating the same thing doesn't answer my question. Regardless, if you're just inventing fantasy objects then I'm not going to indulge you. Fantasy objects are irrelevant.

Try this instead:

It's an E.Coli bacteria. Can you explain how this was designed and created?

 

[46AND2]

is basically looks like that fan but its made from organic components.

No it isn't, cause it doesn't exist.

so can you detect design in such a fan or not?

No, because things that don't exist are not designed.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Reposting for @xianghua

One of these waterfalls is natural, the other is man made. Please tell us which is which and how you came to that conclusion. I'm interested to know how you detect design.

 

[Kylie]

so you can conclude design when you see a spinning fan. now, what if that fan was made from organic components. are you still able to conclude design under this situation?

I have seen wooden fans that also displayed clear indications of design.

 

[Kylie]

so if that fan was able to reproduce you wil not be able to conclude design since its was possible for that object to evolve naturally?

It would be evidence against design. Not absolute proof against it.

 

[SkyWriting]

Some random discussion on evolution...

God accomplished all of evolution by design, not random.
So now it should be easier to understand.

 

[SkyWriting]

wings for instance.

God did the planning.

 

[Shemjaza]

God accomplished all of evolution by design, not random.
So now it should be easier to understand.

Not really. The internal makeup of life is very consistent with a tree of diverging families of life, not the simultaneous design of a single creator.

 

[SkyWriting]

Not really. The internal makeup of life is very consistent with a tree of diverging families of life, not the simultaneous design of a single creator.

My claim pertains to that issue. God accomplished all of evolution by design, not random.
So now it should be easier to understand.

 

[SkyWriting]

Reposting for @xianghua

One of these waterfalls is natural, the other is man made. Please tell us which is which and how you came to that conclusion. I'm interested to know how you detect design.

Both falls are natural though Cascade Falls (top) has a man created pool at the base so the road can run closer to it.

 

[Shemjaza]

My claim pertains to that issue. God accomplished all of evolution by design, not random.
So now it should be easier to understand.

If all of life is a specific, deliberate design... then I can't work out the intent of the designer, aside from a desire to make it look random.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Both falls are natural though Cascade Falls (top) has a man created pool at the base so the road can run closer to it.

As I said, one of the falls is man made. And I'm interested to know how you would decide which is which. @xianghua claims that design is apparent in designed objects. This is his chance to demonstrate the veracity of that claim.

 

[SkyWriting]

If all of life is a specific, deliberate design... then I can't work out the intent of the designer, aside from a desire to make it look random.

If anything was random, it would be purely chaotic and unpredictable.
Nothing in this cosmos is truly random. If the forces are understood
then every motion and form in the Cosmos can be predicted.
There are only a few things we consider random and without design
or predictability and that is due only to our ignorance of the forces involved.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

There are only a few things we consider random and without design

There are many things we consider random. And of the non random things there are even more we consider without design. Feel free to show me wrong with supported examples.