Some random discussion on evolution...

[VirOptimus]

Our problem is that we are unable to parse our questions so as to address the deliberate confusion of your answers. For example if I asked where does evolution begin in an organism all I would get is goobledegook for an answer, or I would be told to go read a book about it.

Well yes, we arent responsible for you education.

You want to cure your ignorance, educate yourself.

 

[Jimmy D]

Basically what you are saying is, "If I hadn't believed it I wouldn't have seen it with my own eyes."

I appreciate you're attempting humour, but your post just appears foolish, what Kylie wrote makes perfect sense and is also true.

These inane "witticisms" aren't doing your side any favours.

Does the fossil record reflect what we'd expect to see if evolution were true or not?

 

[xianghua]

Nobody is saying they aren't different. What I'm saying is that bird wings are not "new". They are simply a variation of vertebrate forelimbs.

so your hands are basically a variation of wings?

 

[xianghua]

Say, aren’t you the guy who believes in magical animal cars?

say, arent you the guy who said it about 100 times?

 

[Jimmy D]

say, arent you the guy who said it about 100 times?

Wasn't that you?

(LOL, Over 300 mentions of "Robots" in the search results).

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Well yes, we arent responsible for you education.

You want to cure your ignorance, educate yourself.

You mean "drink the coolaid" don't you?

https://evolutionnews.org/2018/08/enzymes-are-essential-for-life-did-they-evolve/

 

[VirOptimus]

You mean "drink the coolaid" don't you?

https://evolutionnews.org/2018/08/enzymes-are-essential-for-life-did-they-evolve/

No, I meant a real education.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I appreciate you're attempting humour, but your post just appears foolish, what Kylie wrote makes perfect sense and is also true.

These inane "witticisms" aren't doing your side any favours.

Does the fossil record reflect what we'd expect to see if evolution were true or not?

No. You, Kylie, and others are presenting gross simplifications in regard to the ToE. Articles like this look deeper...into the real problems evolution faces, problem you hand wave away.

https://evolutionnews.org/2018/08/enzymes-are-essential-for-life-did-they-evolve/

 

[OldWiseGuy]

No, I meant a real education.

You mean swim in the coolaid?

 

[VirOptimus]

No. You, Kylie, and others are presenting gross simplifications in regard to the ToE. Articles like this look deeper...into the real problems evolution faces, problem you hand wave away.

https://evolutionnews.org/2018/08/enzymes-are-essential-for-life-did-they-evolve/

And Discovery Institute?

 

[VirOptimus]

You mean swim in the coolaid?

Reality can be uncomfortable.

 

[xianghua]

No biologists or paleontologists who study whale evolution see any issues with the time line.

The evolution of whales

What "de novo functions" do you suppose evolved in those 4 million years that weren't merely adaptations of existing structures.

the melon organ for instance?:

(image from Wikie Says Hello And Bye-Bye!)

 

[pitabread]

so your hands are basically a variation of wings?

No. Human arms + hands, and bird wings are both variations of vertebrate forelimbs. Human hands did not evolve from wings.

 

[pitabread]

Our problem is that we are unable to parse our questions so as to address the deliberate confusion of your answers. For example if I asked where does evolution begin in an organism all I would get is goobledegook for an answer, or I would be told to go read a book about it.

Well, if you asked "where does evolution begin in an organism", I would tell you that that question makes no sense. It's a little like asking what sound the color yellow makes.

If you want to really learn about the subject of evolution, then your best bet really is either a book on the topic (e.g. an intro high school biology text) or even taking a free course on the subject. Then with basic knowledge acquired, you'll be able to hopefully both ask reasoned questions and understand the answers.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Well, if you asked "where does evolution begin in an organism", I would tell you that that question makes no sense. It's a little like asking what sound the color yellow makes.

It "makes no sense" only because you can't answer it.

 

[pitabread]

Why can't you answer my questions?

What questions?

 

[pitabread]

It "makes no sense" only because you can't answer it.

It's a nonsensical question. Evolution is a process that takes place at the level of populations, not the individual.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

What questions?

Where does evolution begin. For example it is said that the horse evolved a long snout to get his eyes above the grass so he could see predators coming as he fed. Where did the process start? With the grass? With his eyes? With his snout? At the subatomic, atomic, molecular, cellular, level? When something begins to change, where does it start and what are the processes involved? And can they be demonstrated in the lab?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

It's a nonsensical question. Evolution is a process that takes place at the level of populations, not the individual.

So the whole population must have the same 'variant' at the same time for the process to proceed? What else does an organism have to have in order for evolution to proceed, and where do those components come from? What is the mechanism that excites a whole population to make the same evolutionary changes?

 

[Ophiolite]

So the whole population must have the same 'variant' at the same time for the process to proceed? What else does an organism have to have in order for evolution to proceed, and where do those components come from? What is the mechanism that excites a whole population to make the same evolutionary changes?

Really? Individual A experiences a mutation. It has several offspring. The mutation provides a marginal benefit in the environment. Consequently, some of those offspring have a better survival rate and some of them pass the mutation onto their offspring. Thus the mutation spreads through the population, changing it.