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Some questions I have about the universe...?

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A common analogy is the surface of a baloon. If you imagine dots on the surface of the baloon as representing galaxies, then, as the baloon expands, its surface area increases, and everything moves away from everything else, but there is no centre of expansion.
A balloon extends outward from a center though doesn't it...?

And aren't there several "balloon centers" in the places in the map of the universe where there's just dark areas....?

Or, am I wrong about that...?

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A balloon extends outward from a center though doesn't it...?

And aren't there several "balloon centers" in the places in the map of the universe where there's just dark areas....?

Or, am I wrong about that...?

God Bless!

In the analogy, the surface of the baloon represents a two dimensional universe. The analogy needs scaling up one dimension to get to where we are - the surface volume of a four dimensional baloon.
 
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That seems to be about right. There is no expansion within galactic groups, or clusters and within super clusters and filaments composed of super clusters. The expansion is within the voids that the filaments surround. The gravity that keeps clusters, super clusters and filaments together prevents space from expanding in those regions.

That doesn't mean that galaxies aren't sometimes moving apart or towards each other within those clusters, super clusters and filaments. For example the Andromeda galaxy is moving in our direction at approx 110 kilometres per second (68 mi/s) and will merge with our galaxy within 4.5 billion years, eventually forming perhaps a giant elliptical galaxy or a large disc galaxy. It only means that universal expansion is making the voids larger and distances between super cluster filaments greater.

Also, since we can't detect what lies beyond a certain distance, we don't know how much lagethe univers is than what we are detecting.


Visualization of the whole observable universe. The scale is such that the fine grains represent collections of large numbers of superclusters. The Virgo Supercluster – home of Milky Way – is marked at the center, but is too small to be seen.
Observable universe - Wikipedia

The yellow arrow points to the limits of what we can detect which is a diameter of(93 billion light-years. So we can observe 46.5 billion light-years in every direction. Everything beyond that horizon is unknown. The Earth is placed at the center of the diagram because that is our vantage point of observation. In other words, if we were in a location closer to the edge then the universe that we would be able to observe would be different one since the areas now undetectable would then be detectable and the areas now detectable would then be undectable.

That's because detectability depends on whether the light or radiation from those regions has had time to reach us or not. The light from regions beyond observation hasn't had time to reach us yet, and most will never reach us because at those distances space is expanding at or faster than the speed of light. In other words, the more the light travels the more space is added. Like being on a floor that keeps elongating as you run. So it makes little or no real headway.
If we can observe stuff that 46.5 billion light years away, and were seeing that stuff as 46.5 billion years old, how can it be that they say the universe is only 14-15 billion years old...?

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In the analogy, the surface of the baloon represents a two dimensional universe. The analogy needs scaling up one dimension to get to where we are - the surface volume of a four dimensional baloon.
I apologize for this, but I do not, or cannot see, how that answers my question though...? Could you elaborate possibly...?

Thanks in advance,

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No, it is definitely not fiction. It has been produced in particle accelerators.
How does it work in relation to normal matter...? What is it...? How does it work...? How is it different from dark matter...?

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I apologize for this, but I do not, or cannot see, how that answers my question though...? Could you elaborate possibly...?

Thanks in advance,

God Bless!

What more is there to say? Looking on from the outside, you can see a larger reality, but so far as the two dimensional creatures living on the surface of the baloon are conserned, that is all there is. There is no centre of expansion in their two dimensional universe.
 
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What more is there to say? Looking on from the outside, you can see a larger reality, but so far as the two dimensional creatures living on the surface of the baloon are conserned, that is all there is. There is no centre of expansion in their two dimensional universe.
OK, still a little confused, but, thanks anyway for trying...

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How does it work in relation to normal matter...? What is it...? How does it work...? How is it different from dark matter...?

Thanks,

God Bless!

Anti matter differs from matter in that its atoms consist of a negatively charged nucleus, surrounded by positively charged positrons, whereas the atoms in regular matter are made up of a positively charged nucleus surrounded by negatively charged electrons. If matter and antimatter come into contact, they annihilate one another in a burst of gamma radiation.

Dark matter is unrelated to anti matter.
 
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Anti matter differs from matter in that its atoms consist of a negatively charged nucleus, surrounded by positively charged positrons, whereas the atoms in regular matter are made up of a positively charged nucleus surrounded by negatively charged electrons. If matter and antimatter come into contact, they annihilate one another in a burst of gamma radiation.

Dark matter is unrelated to anti matter.
OK, thanks,

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How does it work in relation to normal matter...? What is it...? How does it work...? How is it different from dark matter...?

Thanks,

God Bless!

Leslie is correct that antimatter does show up in the lab, which is the key empirical difference between antimatter and dark matter. :)

As Leslie also correctly states, the polarity of antimatter is exactly the opposite of matter, and when the two types of particles meet, they annihilate into gamma rays and neutrinos.
 
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Leslie is correct that antimatter does show up in the lab, which is the key empirical difference between antimatter and dark matter. :)

As Leslie also correctly states, the polarity of antimatter is exactly the opposite of matter, and when the two types of particles meet, they annihilate into gamma rays and neutrinos.
Is that what happens in a black hole, or not...? Is antimatter atoms...? Can they be seen like matter, or only detected in like particle accelerator's and such...?

I know these seem like very basic questions, but, I am curious and want to know...?

I do not claim to know a whole lot about it...

God Bless!
 
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Is that what happens in a black hole, or not...? Is antimatter atoms...? Can they be seen like matter, or only detected in like particle accelerator's and such...?

I know these seem like very basic questions, but, I am curious and want to know...?

I do not claim to know a whole lot about it...

God Bless!

A black hole is what happens when a burned out star starts to collapse on itself, and then reaches a point where the gravitational field becomes so strong that the star is crushed down to a single point called a singularity. At least, that is what the mathematics suggests. Once we have a theory of quantum gravity the singularity may disappear from the equations, but we will still be left with an immensely strong gravitational field, from which nothing - not even light - can escape.

Black holes and anti matter are unrelated.

Anti matter has only ever been produced in tiny amounts, but if there was enough of it for you to see it, it would look indistinguishable from ordinary matter - until you touched it.
 
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A balloon extends outward from a center though doesn't it...?

And aren't there several "balloon centers" in the places in the map of the universe where there's just dark areas....?

Or, am I wrong about that...?

God Bless!
No, it's a whole region uniformly expanding. Everything moves away from everything else. No center to the expansion.
 
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No, it's a whole region uniformly expanding. Everything moves away from everything else. No center to the expansion.
What about the big bang theory then...? Doesn't it require a center...?
 
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If we can observe stuff that 46.5 billion light years away, and were seeing that stuff as 46.5 billion years old, how can it be that they say the universe is only 14-15 billion years old...?
The definition of observable is kind of weird. At earlier stages things were closer. For very distant objects, light that we see now was emitted when the object was closer to us. So we can in principle detect objects that are now much further than 14 billions light-years because what we see now was emitted long ago when they were closer. Does that make sense?
 
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The definition of observable is kind of weird. At earlier stages things were closer. For very distant objects, light that we see now was emitted when the object was closer to us. So we can in principle detect objects that are now much further than 14 billions light-years because what we see now was emitted long ago when they were closer. Does that make sense?
So, they are probably farther away, and may be very different from what were seeing of them, right...? But how does that tie into the age of the universe...?
 
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What about the big bang theory then...? Doesn't it require a center...?
No. Remember, it's not an explosion. It's an expansion of space. Space is now uniformly expanding with no center. Run the movie backwards. Everything gets closer together. Go back far enough and it becomes very small.

[in the following 10**-32 is 10 to the -32 power, i.e. 1 / 10 to the 32nd power.]

The picture you normally get is misleading. E.g. you'll find somewhere that at 10**-32 sec, the observable universe was 100 cm in size. You're envisioning a space 100 cm across. Obviously that has edges and a center. But the 100 cm size is for the space that eventually became the observable universe. That's just a chunk out of the whole thing. The whole thing may even be infinite. If it's infinite, then even at 10**-32 sec it was infinite. (infinity divided by anything is still infinity.) If it's infinite, or if it's finite but has a closed geometry, then there's no center. And even if it has a center, the center may be well outside our part, our observable universe.

The obvious question is what happens when we get to the beginning, time 0. Can it still be infinity then? The only real answer is that we don't know. Before a certain time we don't understand the physics. We also don't know whether the universe is actually infinite. There are lots of models, some that result in infinity and some not. But even the ones where the size is finite may not have a center.
 
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If we can observe stuff that 46.5 billion light years away, and were seeing that stuff as 46.5 billion years old, how can it be that they say the universe is only 14-15 billion years old...?

God Bless!


No, it doesn't mean that it is 45 billion years old. The light from objects estimated to be 46 billion light years DISTANT hasn’t taken 45 billion light years to reach us because it was emitted when the objects were much closer. In other words that 45 billion light year distance was produced by the expansion of space within the limits of the age of our universe which is approx 13 billion years old. In short, it represents the estimated present distance and not the age of the object emitting the light.


How can it be understood that the universe is 93 billion light years across and yet only 13.8 billion years old? - Quora
 
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