Some guy made me fear for my life

[Phil 1:21]

Although if you had a Kimber in plain view then you would be stopped and everybody would want to hold it and love on it. They are nice

They'd probably try to mug me knowing there's a good chance it wouldn't fire.

 

[URA]

It's interesting to see the direction this has taken; I honestly don't mind the gun talk, and if anyone here's interested in counseling, I feel I should point out that taking things off-topic for a bit is actually a very good way to help the client; it takes their mind off things for a bit, and helps build a relationship between the client & the counselor. (And while we're on the topic, I've shot a lot of long-barrel guns, thank you Boy Scouts, but never a handgun; however, I have held an unloaded Kimber, and they are fantastic!).

I'm feeling much better today; still a little uneasy, but nothing much. Just got done sweeping floors for an hour and a half, and didn't even think about the situation.

Thank you again for all your support.

Yay 2nd amendment!

 

[Serving Zion]

Naw, man.. are you relying on a bullet to save you now? .. I hope you don't need to pull it on someone, you just don't know how that will go. It's the way of evil. The only way you can win that way, is to be the greater murderer than them.

 

[Phil 1:21]

Naw, man.. are you relying on a bullet to save you now? .. I hope you don't need to pull it on someone, you just don't know how that will go. It's the way of evil. The only way you can win that way, is to be the greater murderer than them.

Self defense is not murder.

 

[Southernscotty]

Naw, man.. are you relying on a bullet to save you now? .. I hope you don't need to pull it on someone, you just don't know how that will go. It's the way of evil. The only way you can win that way, is to be the greater murderer than them.

I think it is wrong to not be able to defend your wife and kids. I mean, I don't have any myself to speak of, but I would defend yours if they were attacked.
I don't wanna derail this thread anymore so if you wanna start a thread, I will be happy to explain my reasoning behind this :]

 

[Serving Zion]

Self defense is not murder.

Killing is killing. It is not God's way.

 

[jacks]

I believe there are times when lethal self-defense is necessary; but related to to OP it would have been a ridiculous (and illegal) over reaction to the events described to actually shoot the guy.

 

[sunshine100]

these days it is a very scary world out there,you should definitely report this guy to the police

 

[Darkhorse]

I believe there are times when lethal self-defense is necessary; but related to to OP it would have been a ridiculous (and illegal) over reaction to the events described to actually shoot the guy.

True, but it's good to have the capability, just in case.

 

[Phil 1:21]

Killing is killing. It is not God's way.

Scriptural support please.

 

[royal priest]

Naw, man.. are you relying on a bullet to save you now? .. I hope you don't need to pull it on someone, you just don't know how that will go. It's the way of evil. The only way you can win that way, is to be the greater murderer than them.

If someone is being murderous, then the sixth commandment requires that we do everything in our power to preserve the lives of the innocent. If a victim or bystander has a gun and using it is the only means of ensuring preservation, at least aim for the kneecaps.

 

[URA]

Last night, I went to Campus Safety and filled out a report for this situation. I'm not sure what happens now, but I feel better, knowing that it's in the hands of people who could do something about it. This city is fueled by the university, so Campus Safety and the city police are very tight--for better or for worse.

 

[Serving Zion]

If someone is being murderous, then the sixth commandment requires that we do everything in our power to preserve the lives of the innocent. If a victim or bystander has a gun and using it is the only means of ensuring preservation, at least aim for the kneecaps.

What, to humble him in order to tell him who Jesus is? It isn't God's way, or do you really not know that?

 

[Serving Zion]

Scriptural support please.

But Jesus said to him, “Put your sword in its place, for all who take up the sword will perish by the sword.
Matthew 26:52

"I tell you not to resist an evil person."
Matthew 5:39

 

[Phil 1:21]

But Jesus said to him, “Put your sword in its place, for all who take up the sword will perish by the sword.
Matthew 26:52

"I tell you not to resist an evil person."
Matthew 5:39

"He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one." Luke 22:36

Hmmmm...maybe context is important.

Speaking of...

Killing is killing. It is not God's way.

...

1 Samuel 17:36-37

36 Your servant has killed both the lion and the bear; this uncircumcised Philistine will be like one of them, because he has defied the armies of the living God. 37 The Lord who rescued me from the paw of the lion and the paw of the bear will rescue me from the hand of this Philistine.”

Saul said to David, “Go, and the Lord be with you.”

 

[Serving Zion]

"He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one." Luke 22:36

You don't understand why, do you? "Have you come to arrest me as some criminal?" (He spoke these things so that the scriptures would be fulfilled, which say "I was counted with the lawless ones").

"Two is enough!" .. "put your sword back in its place, for all who draw the sword will fall by the sword".

I am sorry you are choosing that path. If only you would follow the words that give life!

Hmmmm...maybe context is important.

Speaking of......

1 Samuel 17:36-37

36 Your servant has killed both the lion and the bear; this uncircumcised Philistine will be like one of them, because he has defied the armies of the living God. 37 The Lord who rescued me from the paw of the lion and the paw of the bear will rescue me from the hand of this Philistine.”

Saul said to David, “Go, and the Lord be with you.”

Hmmm, what you're hoping to achieve with this, .. "you will not build a house for my name, for you have shed much blood".

 

[Phil 1:21]

You don't understand why, do you? "Have you come to arrest me as some criminal?" (He spoke these things so that the scriptures would be fulfilled, which say "I was counted with the lawless ones").

"Two is enough!" .. "put your sword back in its place, for all who draw the sword will fall by the sword".

I am sorry you are choosing that path. If only you would follow the words that give life!

Context, my friend. Do you think Jesus telling Peter not to stand in the way of Calvary is a mandate to stand idly by while (for example) someone breaks into your house and kills your family? “Sorry, dear, I know he’s going to rape and murder you, but Jesus told me to let him. Oh, and I think I’m supposed to bring him our daughter too.”

Think.

Hmmm, what you're hoping to achieve with this, .. "you will not build a house for my name, for you have shed much blood".

And you think God was referring to the incident where He empowered David to kill Goliath? You may want to read the rest of David’s story.

Like I said...context.

 

[Serving Zion]

Context, my friend. Do you think Jesus telling Peter not to stand in the way of Calvary is a mandate to stand idly by while (for example) someone breaks into your house and kills your family? “Sorry, dear, I know he’s going to rape and murder you, but Jesus told me to let him. Oh, and I think I’m supposed to bring him our daughter too.”

Think.

Who said I would stand by idly? (you want to check whose voice it is that's whispering such things to you - that is what will get you killed, look at these guys: There's got to be a job for these guys in the White House...).

And you think God was referring to the incident where He empowered David to kill Goliath? You may want to read the rest of David’s story.

Like I said...context.

It doesn't really have much bearing upon the present matters (because it is Jesus that is our High Priest - see Hebrews 7:12).

Goliath was mocking God though, and yeah that makes my blood boil, like you wouldn't believe. God is not mocked though. A man will reap what he sows. So, sow in a manner worthy of the name of Jesus!

Jesus said "do not resist an evildoer". You have an irreconcilable problem in that, with what you are doing.

I wonder now, will you look a man in the eye and pull the trigger? I tell you, you'd have been better off not pulling the gun in the first place. But then again, if you do shoot, you have taken someone that someone loves and you have grieved The Holy Spirit in them, because God is love (1 John 4:16). You have taken away their whole world, and they can never get that back. The bitterness eats them up .. and they blame God because it was a Christian who did it. So, there's really no good outcome for you if you're going to go about things in that way.

OP must choose which way he will go. This is the Christian way:

Do not repay evil for evil or insult for insult, but give a blessing instead—it is for this reason you were called, so that you might inherit a blessing. 10 For,

“The one who loves life,
wanting to see good days,
must keep his tongue from evil
and his lips from speaking deceit.
11 He must turn away from evil and do good.
He must seek shalom and pursue it.
12 For the eyes of Adonai are on the righteous
and His ears open to their prayer,
but the face of Adonai is against those who do evil.”

 

[Phil 1:21]

Jesus said "do not resist an evildoer". You have an irreconcilable problem in that, with what you are doing.

I have no problem with the word of God in the context in which is was delivered. Eisegesis on the other hand...pass.

I wonder now, will you look a man in the eye and pull the trigger?

Center of mass. Look where you intend to hit.

I tell you, you'd have been better off not pulling the gun in the first place. But then again, if you do shoot, you have taken someone that someone loves and you have grieved The Holy Spirit in them, because God is love (1 John 4:16). You have taken away their whole world, and they can never get that back. The bitterness eats them up .. and they blame God because it was a Christian who did it.

Then the person in question should have not put me in a position where I had to take such actions to defend my own life or the life of someone else.

So, there's really no good outcome for you if you're going to go about things in that way.

Would-be victim survives...good outcome.

 

[URA]

As played out in the recent posts, there's a lot of the Bible that speaks of the necessity of killing, and a lot that prohibits it. Knowing that the Bible never contradicts itself, for all 73 books are essentially written by the same Holy Spirit, we must find a way that all this works together.

Fortunately, Christ didn't leave the job of Biblical interpretation to the wildly different views of everyone who reads it; He left us a Magisterium to interpret it properly, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and 2,000 years of wisdom to analyze Sacred Scripture.

Catechism of the Catholic Church:
Legitimate defense

2263 The legitimate defense of persons and societies is not an exception to the prohibition against the murder of the innocent that constitutes intentional killing. "The act of self-defense can have a double effect: the preservation of one's own life; and the killing of the aggressor. . . . The one is intended, the other is not."65

2264 Love toward oneself remains a fundamental principle of morality. Therefore it is legitimate to insist on respect for one's own right to life. Someone who defends his life is not guilty of murder even if he is forced to deal his aggressor a lethal blow:
If a man in self-defense uses more than necessary violence, it will be unlawful: whereas if he repels force with moderation, his defense will be lawful. . . . Nor is it necessary for salvation that a man omit the act of moderate self-defense to avoid killing the other man, since one is bound to take more care of one's own life than of another's. [Thomas Aquinas]
2265 Legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for one who is responsible for the lives of others. The defense of the common good requires that an unjust aggressor be rendered unable to cause harm. For this reason, those who legitimately hold authority also have the right to use arms to repel aggressors against the civil community entrusted to their responsibility.

2266 The efforts of the state to curb the spread of behavior harmful to people's rights and to the basic rules of civil society correspond to the requirement of safeguarding the common good. Legitimate public authority has the right and duty to inflict punishment proportionate to the gravity of the offense. Punishment has the primary aim of redressing the disorder introduced by the offense. When it is willingly accepted by the guilty party, it assumes the value of expiation. Punishment then, in addition to defending public order and protecting people's safety, has a medicinal purpose: as far as possible, it must contribute to the correction of the guilty party. [Cf. Luke 23:40-43]

...

2320 The murder of a human being is gravely contrary to the dignity of the person and the holiness of the Creator.

2321 The prohibition of murder does not abrogate the right to render an unjust aggressor unable to inflict harm. Legitimate defense is a grave duty for whoever is responsible for the lives of others or the common good.

Catechism of the Catholic Church - The fifth commandment